CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[rebeccaeee]

I went back and re-read several pages of thread one, how frantic and worried we were for Dylan. IMO Things weren't adding up way back at the beginning and this was days before Elaine said anything about Mark. Again MOO

I should go back and read those early posts. I came here via the HuffPo article on the 29th. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/dylan-redwine-missing_n_2211894.html It is entirely possible my early opinions were influenced by this.

MSM is a two edged sword....this case gets more (although it still feels like very little) precisely because of the drama between the parents. We know loads of 13 year old boys go missing in other cirumstances all too often without any focus on them for very long. So while we can complain all we want about the taint and bias of media, it is keeping Dylan's story out there much longer than many others, IMO.

 

[neverletgo]

Bumping up TxJan1971's post . . . light a candle for Dylan! :candle:

Hey folks, since the family is planning a Beams of Hope type celebration for Dylan's upcoming birthday, I just lit a virtual candle and left a message for Dylan and wanted to share the group site in case anyone wanted to join in a show of support. I remember doing this for Caylee Anthony and thought it was such a nice idea.

Please feel free to drop on by and light a candle. The group name is Dylan's initials: DNR (if the link below doesn't take you directly there). If we can do nothing else, a show of support would probably be appreciated by the family.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=DNR

If you click on the candles that are lit, you can read the messages and see where folks are lighting from...

 

[katydid23]

IIRC, MR never gave a specific time the FIRST time he tried to rouse Dylan from sleep. The 7:30 am time was the SECOND and last time he tried to get him up before he left.

In the 'original' version that he told DH, he only 'made some noise' around the house to try to awaken his son. And he remained 'out like a light.'

There was no description of any verbal communication between them. And there was no description of him trying to awaken him at 6:30 and failing. I call BS on that scenario.

 

[masootz]

Even if you turn your phone off, as long as the battery is not dead, it will still communicate with the tower, That's the reason a person is able to power their cell back on and there's messages or voicemails waiting, the cell and closest tower keep in contact.

Law Enforcement has the ability to listen to conversations thru people's turned off or on cell phones, they claim if you want to make sure no one is listening, remove the battery, This can be quickly researched on the net,

Once Dylan's cell quit pinging with the tower, and never connected again strongly suggest the phone was without a battery, the battery is compleately drained and never was recharged, or the cell was destroyed. If Dylan's cell battery died and he plugged it it once home, then as soon as it connected with the tower it would have pinged, that's never happened.

i'm going to respectfully disagree. i have nearly twenty years information technology experience including installation and maintenance of cellular communications equipment. if a cell phone is turned off, it does not communicate with anything. the mix up may be that some cell phones (blackberry devices are one) don't actually turn off when you power them off, they go into a sleep mode. it's possible they still communicate but the majority of cellular devices are off when you turn them off and they in no way communicate with anything. if you have sources that say otherwise, i'd love to read them.

the reason that you get texts and voicemails when you turn your phone back on is a) text messages are very small packets of data that are queued by your cell provider. when you turn your phone on it transmits to the nearest cell tower that it's ready to receive and the tower sends any queued data which only takes two or three seconds and b) other than iphones your voicemails are stored on your cell provider's servers. you only get notification that you have a voicemail (again a small data packet). this is why on iphones when you turn it back on sometimes you get notification of a voicemail ten minutes later (it downloads the whole thing before sending you a notification).

 

[asyousay]

I think Mark likes to use the whole lack of communication between him and Dylan so he does not have to explain anything . And yet then seems to change his mind on that .

Originally Dylan crashed and they did not get to talk much . Following morning Dylan was out like a light !

By saying Dylan is asleep it's a cop out and means he does not have to embellish a whole story and then get tripped up by his own lies :cow:

 

[cluciano63]

Has ER ever been asked who she thinks could be hiding Dylan, or where, or how MR would be able to arranged such a longterm plan? Wondering if she has any real,ideas or if this is just a last-gasp theory for hope. I know I am repeating myself, but I do not believe this to be a possible scenario at all. In other cases when children have been "hidden" it has generally been known who they are with, just not where.

 

[azgrandma]

11/28/2012 Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning but said Dylan was “out like a light.”http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121128/NEWS01/121129612

11/28/2012 Nancy Grace
HESS: The dad said that Dylan had been up fairly late, the evening before he flew -- the night before he flew in to Durango. And he was really tired they had gone to bed. And that he had gotten up in the morning, stirred around the house, made some noise trying to get Dylan up, and Dylan didn`t want to get up and go into town at that time.

12/02/2012The next morning, Dylan was sleeping on the couch where Mark Redwine now sits and where Dylan's blankets still lie jumbled. Mark said he waited until 7:30 a.m. but still couldn't rouse his son, so he told him he would return about 11. When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch.

Read more: With Dylan Redwine missing for almost two weeks, dad clings to hope - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder#ixzz2JTaghFQk
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12/03/2012 “He was sleeping on the couch, and I told him I had to go about my errands,” Mark Redwine said in a Sunday telephone interview. “He said, ‘OK, I understand.’ The focus for him was to go to his friend’s, but I live far back in the canyon. There’s a substantial distance between my house and the lake, so it doesn’t make sense that he would walk out, but he’s a 13-year-old boy, and who knows what they think sometimes?”
http://www.gazette.com/articles/dylan-148038-son-redwine.html#ixzz2JTWTcss4

9News - KUSA: Dylan Redwine – I Blame Myself

Mark Redwine:

“I do blame myself. I relive this 1,000 times, and every time, it comes back to… I seen him laying on the couch and I didn’t try hard enough maybe to wake him up, to have him come with me. I beat myself up over that constantly."

But that’s not… that’s not helping me. And it’s not helping Dylan.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hnRAuceYwmM

IMOO - this is what gets me, was he out like a light or asleep or awake enough to reply?

FWIW - I finally got smart enough to read all the postings before I log in so I don't double respond to something that has already been hashed out. Someone mentioned whether or not feelings/opinions would be different if ER had not made her statement on ABC.

My opinion, my gut instinct, ALL of that was determined long before ER made any statement on tv. That was formed about two days after hearing/reading about Dylan's disappearance in the first place. Everything after that moment has just added to it, no matter how hard I try to change that thinking, that initial thought, it just doesn't add up to anything else than more original fear.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

i'm going to respectfully disagree. i have nearly twenty years information technology experience including installation and maintenance of cellular communications equipment. if a cell phone is turned off, it does not communicate with anything. the mix up may be that some cell phones (blackberry devices are one) don't actually turn off when you power them off, they go into a sleep mode. it's possible they still communicate but the majority of cellular devices are off when you turn them off and they in no way communicate with anything. if you have sources that say otherwise, i'd love to read them.

the reason that you get texts and voicemails when you turn your phone back on is a) text messages are very small packets of data that are queued by your cell provider. when you turn your phone on it transmits to the nearest cell tower that it's ready to receive and the tower sends any queued data which only takes two or three seconds and b) other than iphones your voicemails are stored on your cell provider's servers. you only get notification that you have a voicemail (again a small data packet). this is why on iphones when you turn it back on sometimes you get notification of a voicemail ten minutes later (it downloads the whole thing before sending you a notification).

Thanks, your post makes good sense to me. I've always had a hard time trying to understand why all cell phones would be communicating with a tower when turned off.

Your explanation about text messages and voice-mails also rings true to me.

 

[asyousay]

Has ER ever been asked who she thinks could be hiding Dylan, or where, or how MR would be able to arranged such a longterm plan? Wondering if she has any real,ideas or if this is just a last-gasp theory for hope. I know I am repeating myself, but I do not believe this to be a possible scenario at all. In other cases when children have been "hidden" it has generally been known who they are with, just not where.

It is interesting because :cow: LE are not acting like Dylan is still here . I would expect a lot more action from LE if they thought they could bring Dylan home alive . So I just put it down to Elaine wanting her son to be alive more than any evidence pointing towards that .

 

[Confusion]

i'm going to respectfully disagree. i have nearly twenty years information technology experience including installation and maintenance of cellular communications equipment. if a cell phone is turned off, it does not communicate with anything. the mix up may be that some cell phones (blackberry devices are one) don't actually turn off when you power them off, they go into a sleep mode. it's possible they still communicate but the majority of cellular devices are off when you turn them off and they in no way communicate with anything. if you have sources that say otherwise, i'd love to read them.

the reason that you get texts and voicemails when you turn your phone back on is a) text messages are very small packets of data that are queued by your cell provider. when you turn your phone on it transmits to the nearest cell tower that it's ready to receive and the tower sends any queued data which only takes two or three seconds and b) other than iphones your voicemails are stored on your cell provider's servers. you only get notification that you have a voicemail (again a small data packet). this is why on iphones when you turn it back on sometimes you get notification of a voicemail ten minutes later (it downloads the whole thing before sending you a notification).

Thank you! I've been wanting to say so many things about this, but I was told I can't without being verified. Will you please try to be?

 

[SuperMom1995]

hoping to get an idea of how much le has been focusing on mr, i went back to the search of:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...m-saturday-to-seek-clues-of-criminal-activity

has the route of this search already been pieced together?
They say that the search commenced at 5300 cr 240 and that the group should be experienced hikers and expect to walk 2-4 miles. I was wondering if mr owned any other properties in the area, and found a property in the tax records (www.laplatainfo.com) with address 61 windmill drive, durango. The property that dylan would have gone to is 2343 cr 500, bayfield

the interesting thing imo is that the starting point of the search (at cr 240) is almost exactly at the intersection where one could head south and east toward the windmill property, or head east and then north toward the cr500 property. If you look at the map, you will see almost a perfect circle. Perhaps of interest too is that the east/north route leads straight to lemon reservoir and then up to mr's property.

If you are interested, any of the addressess (bolded by me) can be found on google maps, or better yet put them all in to "directions" and see the circle.

Has anyone heard of the windmill property or what it is used for? A rental?

great sleuthing!

 

[Lordeebee]

In the video clip MR acts as if he was never able to wake him up . It will definitely be interesting to see the interview on Thursday. Maybe we will get some of these long awaited answers . But 'i should have tried harder to wake him up ' .. I thought he woke up and said I UNDERSTAND to not getting a ride, so he was awake .

Schmae, I don't recall MR saying that Dylan replied to him that morning...where did you see this?

 

[rebeccaeee]

Has ER ever been asked who she thinks could be hiding Dylan, or where, or how MR would be able to arranged such a longterm plan? Wondering if she has any real,ideas or if this is just a last-gasp theory for hope. I know I am repeating myself, but I do not believe this to be a possible scenario at all. In other cases when children have been "hidden" it has generally been known who they are with, just not where.

Not publicly to MSM. FB, of course, is rife with suspicion but I do not think we are allowed to discuss. One ladyfriend of MR's lives fairly close in New Mexico and I thought they suspected her initially but talk of this has gone quiet. The other ladyfriend (http://durangoherald.com/article/20...0/SEARCH/Redwine-family-plans-rally-for-Dylan) lives too faraway to make this an option, IMO.

 

[DylansMom34]

Schmae, I don't recall MR saying that Dylan replied to him that morning...where did you see this?

Take a look at azgrandma's post #1107 above.

 

[asyousay]

:cow: I think LE have a very good idea of what has happened and who is behind it but its just down to If there is enough evidence to get it before a judge :cow:

 

[katydid23]

Schmae, I don't recall MR saying that Dylan replied to him that morning...where did you see this?

That is because MR didnt tell anyone that version until recently. In his ' new' and embellished version, he ' gently nudged Dylan awake' and they spoke to each other and dylan fully understood that MR had to leave but would return for him at 11 am.

 

[MissJ]

It is interesting because :cow: LE are not acting like Dylan is still here . I would expect a lot more action from LE if they thought they could bring Dylan home alive . So I just put it down to Elaine wanting her son to be alive more than any evidence pointing towards that .

Agree with your post but have often wondered why LE is so convinced of this situation. MOO is that they know where his cell last pinged and when.:moo:

 

[asyousay]

Agree with your post but have often wondered why LE is so convinced of this situation. MOO is that they know where his cell last pinged and when.:moo:

I am guessing its also to do with the time frame . The fact as far as we are aware nobody has seen Dylan since the Sunday night .

If we are to believe Marks version of the truth then Dylan has simply vanished into thin air!

 

[dlc]

[/B]

I agree, I think this whole thing got off to a bad start when ER made the statement she did in public. If you want someone's cooperation and answers to the questions you have, it's not a good idea to accuse them of something right off the bat, especially to the whole world. That would put anybody on the defensive from the start. I'm not saying she didn't have the right to be suspicious of him and voice her concerns, just saying that it wasn't the best approach towards getting any kind of answers.

BBM


My apologies, and I'm not trying to pick on you here, but this is one of those statements in this case that gets repeated over and over, and comes to be taken as fact by some. She did not accuse him "right off the bat" -- she expressed concern that MR may have done something only when her son had been missing a week. 7 days is not right off the bat IMO.

Again, not directed at anyone in particular, I just keep seeing this pop up.

 

[MissJ]

MR is the obvious choice. This is not so much based on ER's statements at all. In any missing person case OR homicide case for that matter ( which im not saying this is) the last person seen with them is the FIRST person police want to talk to. Add in a missing chunk in the story and you've got a really good looking suspicious person. That is a given ! But for some reason I keep getting the feeling that something is not adding up in this case. There is a 'missing link' that makes me think something truly bizarre and unimaginable has happened. Yes its unimaginable that your child would come up missing from your own home. But something is just not right. I do not know if it's MR and his story or if it's something even more bizarre than that. There is a weird element to it.

In fact I'd like to think I dont' even consider ER's statements about MR in how I feel about MR .
I think most of what she said is explainable because of her condition and shock and despair and
I don't know that she meant literally 100% of those words. It will be very interesting to see
her demeanor tomorrow vs. several weeks ago. She's had time to sit and think and sort and sift
all of her knowledge with the facts LE has given her.

Interesting post:rocker: When you say bizarre do have any ideas?:moo: