CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #30

[TxLady2]

BBM

Now see, I read that completely differently. She is not saying "poor me," she is feeling expressing the fear/feeling the guilt of possibly having had a child with someone who could harm them. IMO

Exactly. Wouldn't most moms have the same feeling if placed in a similar situation? Who would want to think they had loved and married a man who could end up killing any person.... especially their own child?

 

[Tonto]

That would be assuming it could be proven the signal from the cell or electronic device came from within the home.

Correct. However, LE can generally pinpoint - triangulate? - phones if they were turned on. I recognize that this was an old phone without GPS, but they can get a general location within a couple of miles and perhaps even closer (a few hundred yards/feet?), IIRC. Either way, if Dylan sent it he was still alive at 9:37pm and likely at the home. This is, of course, contingent on the contents of the message. Again, if the contents would have been incriminating or suspicious, I doubt that a) LE would have released that last text to the public at all, or b) that we would not have greater public scrutiny of MR by LE.

 

[asyousay]

Parents plead for help finding 13-year-old son been missing since November

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-old-son-missing-November.html#ixzz2JaK8eQqb
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Wow , it has finally been picked up in the U.K . Also no pictures of Mark in the article and they use family photos of Dylan with Elaine and Mr Hall. Have there actually been any photos released of Mark with Dylan ?

 

[Dee10]

If that text implicates or suggests more than MR told them, they would have been leaning on him, or trying to lean on him (re:turning up the heat publically) daily until he broke or hired a defense attorney. We would not be here three months later without a bona fide POI, and MR certainly wouldn't be conducting interviews on the local news.

I believe they will do the opposite. As long as MR is talking to them, they will keep that going until he quits talking & gets a lawyer, then they will turn up the heat publicly. An example would be the Baby Lisa & Ayla case.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if either parent has been asked how on earth the other was pulling this off for months on end? Is it just some vague idea that the other is "involved" or can they actually offer a way that it could be true? I sure can't think of any that make one iota of sense, or is realistic.

 

[cluciano63]

I agree, I don't think that headline is in very good taste. BUT... that heading might catch more people's attention than an ordinary one that simply stated this 13-yr. old child is still missing. That is probably the excuse that the media would make if asked why they worded it the way they did.
The goal is to get more viewers, it brings attention to him, and it ups their ratings. It irks me, too, but sometimes we have to take the bad with the good.

It would not catch my eye, if I wasn't following the case already. I would bypass it as a custodial issue for sure.

 

[SCHMAE]

If that text implicates or suggests more than MR told them, they would have been leaning on him, or trying to lean on him (re:turning up the heat publically) daily until he broke or hired a defense attorney. We would not be here three months later without a bona fide POI, and MR certainly wouldn't be conducting interviews on the local news.

According to CR , LE told him ' bring the pressure' to MR. That could be the same as ' leaning on him' IMHO!

It's possible I may have to remove this post .

Raises hand to mod !

 

[SuperMom1995]

If that text implicates or suggests more than MR told them, they would have been leaning on him, or trying to lean on him (re:turning up the heat publically) daily until he broke or hired a defense attorney. We would not be here three months later without a bona fide POI, and MR certainly wouldn't be conducting interviews on the local news.

I think it would depend on what the text/communication said. JMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

Correct. However, LE can generally pinpoint - triangulate? - phones if they were turned on. I recognize that this was an old phone without GPS, but they can get a general location within a couple of miles and perhaps even closer (a few hundred yards/feet?), IIRC. Either way, if Dylan sent it he was still alive at 9:37pm and likely at the home. This is, of course, contingent on the contents of the message. Again, if the contents would have been incriminating or suspicious, I doubt that a) LE would have released that last text to the public at all, or b) that we would not have greater public scrutiny of MR by LE.

BBM: a lot of "if's" which merely show the inability to confirm or deny MR statements.

Additionally, it has been reported here that there is only one tower in that area so triangulation would be impossible.

Also, there was NO text released by LE for the 9:37 pm time frame. As a matter of fact, LE hasn't even confirmed a text was made or received. Only that it was the last "electronic communication".

Furthermore, IMO, there is considerable public scrutiny focused on MR. This forum alone demonstrates that and LE remains passive, which allows that scrutiny to continue.

Finally, even if Dylan was in the home, it still will not alleviate the suspicion on MR regarding the events that followed the 9:37 pm time frame. At minimum, that would leave 10 hours unaccounted for and therefore, MR would be unable to verify or support his statement.

JMO and MOO

 

[Tonto]

According to CR , LE told him ' bring the pressure' to MR. That could be the same as ' leaning on him' IMHO!

1. I don't believe that it occurred that way. He may have interpreted it that way, but LE doesn't encourage vigilantism or public/family participation into their active investigations. It can greatly compromise justice outcomes.

2. If LE had any evidence implicating MR, they would be the ones 'bringing the pressure', while discouraging folks from impeding their investigation by taking the law, in whatever way, into their own hands.

 

[NC Analyzer]

1. I don't believe that it occurred that way. He may have interpreted it that way, but LE doesn't encourage vigilantism or public/family participation into their active investigations. It can greatly compromise justice outcomes.

2. If LE had any evidence implicating MR, they would be the ones 'bringing the pressure', while discouraging folks from impeding their investigation by taking the law, in whatever way, into their own hands.

The demonstration was in NO WAY "vigilantism" and I do believe LE was fully aware of the pressure it would have on MR. I saw nothing to indicate anyone was attempting to "take the law into their own hands".

LE may have plenty of evidence and strongly suspect MR. That is not to say they have enough evidence for a conviction. That is not a LE call; it would be up to the DA.

JMO and MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

1. I don't believe that it occurred that way. He may have interpreted it that way, but LE doesn't encourage vigilantism or public/family participation into their active investigations. It can greatly compromise justice outcomes.

2. If LE had any evidence implicating MR, they would be the ones 'bringing the pressure', while discouraging folks from impeding their investigation by taking the law, in whatever way, into their own hands.

Some people believe MR , some believe ER and some believe CR . But one shouldn't criticize other's believing one party or the other . WE each decide who we find more believable. I find MR the least believable of the 3 at this point. That does not make him a liar.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if this does come off tonight as a "custodial issue", how it might affect trying to get more media attention in the future.

I really do not think LE knows what they have, even if they wanted to point the way.

 

[deoneta]

"Did the parents of a missing Colorado teen make him disappear?" is a tease, plain and simple and that has always been part of the television business. And in defense of the station, posed as a question, it's not all that misleading. ER clearly feels MR might be involved in Dylan's disappearance. MR is putting out there that nobody is cleared. There are plenty of theories out there that Dylan is being "held" by some family member or friend and while most of us, myself included, find those theories unlikely, they haven't been disproved either. I understand why ER might feel bitter even if she thinks MR has nothing to do with the disappearance. MR battled her in court for visitation then Dylan vanishes as soon as he arrives. Yes, ER appears distraught, emotional and raw- just as you'd expect from someone whose child is missing. I have no problems with anything she's said. In her place, I'd probably be much less restrained. All MOO.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

"Did the parents of a missing Colorado teen make him disappear?" is a tease, plain and simple and that has always been part of the television business. And in defense of the station, posed as a question, it's not all that misleading. ER clearly feels MR might be involved in Dylan's disappearance. MR is putting out there that nobody is cleared. There are plenty of theories out there that Dylan is being "held" by some family member or friend and while most of us, myself included, find those theories unlikely, they haven't been disproved either. I understand why ER might feel bitter even if she thinks MR has nothing to do with the disappearance. MR battled her in court for visitation then Dylan vanishes as soon as he arrives. Yes, ER appears distraught, emotional and raw- just as you'd expect from someone whose child is missing. I have no problems with anything she's said. In her place, I'd probably be much less restrained. All MOO.

I know that TV stations are about sensationalism and ratings, but I do not see how that headline will bring in viewers. Comments under articles on the 9News page bring up Dylan's case possibly being a hoax, Dylan being a runaway, someone hiding him, just the blatant "Parents did it!". I know that comments on a facebook page don't represent all potential viewers but people just seem pretty dismissive of the whole thing.

 

[asyousay]

I know that TV stations are about sensationalism and ratings, but I do not see how that headline will bring in viewers. Comments under articles on the 9News page bring up Dylan's case possibly being a hoax, Dylan being a runaway, someone hiding him, just the blatant "Parents did it!". I know that comments on a facebook page don't represent all potential viewers but people just seem pretty dismissive of the whole thing.

The problem is that now there is so much mud slinging its hard to keep track . It is now getting in the way of finding Dylan IMO .


Maybe this is why Elaine has tried to reel herself in and try and get Mark to open up to her?!

If you are new to the case then i can see why people are not taking it seriously as its all got a bit messy :cow:

 

[azgrandma]

Correct. However, LE can generally pinpoint - triangulate? - phones if they were turned on. I recognize that this was an old phone without GPS, but they can get a general location within a couple of miles and perhaps even closer (a few hundred yards/feet?), IIRC. Either way, if Dylan sent it he was still alive at 9:37pm and likely at the home. This is, of course, contingent on the contents of the message. Again, if the contents would have been incriminating or suspicious, I doubt that a) LE would have released that last text to the public at all, or b) that we would not have greater public scrutiny of MR by LE.

I disagree, whenever and wherever the text/msg/electronic device was used is NO confirmation of MR's story. It only confirms that it was used by someone at that time.
There is no indication that Dylan made it to MR's home and there is nothing that indicates he did not make it to MR's home. With that in mind, even IF a signal was given from a text at 9:37 from within the house, saying anything, it only indicates that Dylan's electronic device was used. It doesn't indicate by whom it was used.

It does not confirm MR's timeline one bit. His timeline is that he picked up Dylan from the airport, they went to Walmart & McDonalds, they drove home, they tossed the football around, that Dylan fell asleep early, that Dylan wouldn't wake up in the morning (also that he did wake up and respond and also that he was out like a light) then he went to run errands.

You (people in general) would not expect someone to say, I picked up my son from the airport, we went to Walmart & McDonalds, drove home, tossed the football around, he sent a text message to his friend, I killed him, got up in the morning and ran my errands, came home and disposed of the body, reported him missing. If MR had said something like that, then YES the text at 937 would certainly corroborate his story. My point is that MR never said anything about a text and nobody yet can confirm or deny that one or both ever arrived at the home.

If LE could arrest people based on no evidence and gut instinct only then we are in a world of hurt.

IMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

I disagree, whenever and wherever the text/msg/electronic device was used is NO confirmation of MR's story. It only confirms that it was used by someone at that time.
There is no indication that Dylan made it to MR's home and there is nothing that indicates he did not make it to MR's home. With that in mind, even IF a signal was given from a text at 9:37 from within the house, saying anything, it only indicates that Dylan's electronic device was used. It doesn't indicate by whom it was used.

It does not confirm MR's timeline one bit. His timeline is that he picked up Dylan from the airport, they went to Walmart & McDonalds, they drove home, they tossed the football around, that Dylan fell asleep early, that Dylan wouldn't wake up in the morning (also that he did wake up and respond and also that he was out like a light) then he went to run errands.

You (people in general) would not expect someone to say, I picked up my son from the airport, we went to Walmart & McDonalds, drove home, tossed the football around, he sent a text message to his friend, I killed him, got up in the morning and ran my errands, came home and disposed of the body, reported him missing. If MR had said something like that, then YES the text at 937 would certainly corroborate his story. My point is that MR never said anything about a text and nobody yet can confirm or deny that one or both ever arrived at the home.

If LE could arrest people based on no evidence and gut instinct only then we are in a world of hurt.

IMO

EXACTLY! Never saw a perp yet come right out and tell the media what happened before, during, and after a crime, but I have seen a lot of them tell their "story"! MR statement isn't verifiable one way or another and everything else (no matter how little) tends to cast doubt and suspicion in his direction.

JMO and MOO

 

[katydid23]

If it was sent from the home and DR sent it, it supports MR's timeline of events and confirms that Dylan was actually in the home. A bazillion folks in here have thus far refused to accept that he was even in the home. This would destroy that scenario.

I thought people were adamantly saying that there was no cell service at the home?

 

[WesternMD]

78 candles from 3 countries for Dylan.