CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #31

[YidArmyRach]

One of my biggest problems with theories like this is that MR doesn't strike me as that stupid. If he knows that Dylan is dead, why not tell RN that he has to wait until his dad gets home the next day before coming over? That would get rid of all of the issues with whether or not he was able to wake him up, why Dylan didn't call to say he'd be late, etc. It seems that making plans to be there at 6:30 am would be a big mistake on MR's part, but not unexpected for the boys to do. MOO

Agree with the above, and I'd add that if MR had been pretending to be DR to text, then he could have given himself a much better alibi. For instance, he could have text to say something along the lines of "my dad had to go run some errands, and said he'll be back at 11 to drop me off, but I don't wanna wait. Will hitch a lift to yours". Or even "bored waiting for my dad to come back, gonna go fishing for a bit".

I think the texts were sent by Dylan.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I just feel that from a Big Mac to murder is a huge leap. At least I am hoping so because I sure don't like the alternative. But, I certainly respect how you feel. jmo

Well for all of us that feel that MR may have done something to Dylan on Sunday night we're all basically saying it went from a Big Mac to murder aren't we?

 

[YidArmyRach]

Wow , great catch. Who caught this? Fedfan ? Nice job !
If I'm gathering it right, the question is How did MR know his
friend was TRYING to text him ? Right ? Oh boy !

Looking at the gaps between the texts sent and received by DR and his friend, it could indicate poor service and them having to keep re-sending the texts. I have to do that where I live - it can take 3 or 4 attempts to get each text to send. It can easily take me half an hour to exchange a few texts with a friend. I would describe that as "trying" to text someone, or that someone was "trying to text me" if I didn't get the messages right away.

Honestly, that bit doesn't sound suspicious to me.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Agree with the above, and I'd add that if MR had been pretending to be DR to text, then he could have given himself a much better alibi. For instance, he could have text to say something along the lines of "my dad had to go run some errands, and said he'll be back at 11 to drop me off, but I don't wanna wait. Will hitch a lift to yours". Or even "bored waiting for my dad to come back, gonna go fishing for a bit".

The bored waiting for my dad to come back, gonna go fish for a bit would have had to have come from Dylan's phone (already in the lake) and MR was already on the road so he couldn't have sent it from Dylan's iPod. How would MR send this message to RN?

 

[asyousay]

Cory said Mark never harmed him.
Dylan's friends said MR and Dylan were buddies.

That does not correlate to Dylan ticked MR off cuz he didn't want to be there so MR harmed him. JMO

Elaine has also stated she thinks Mark may of harmed him. Mark also took the boys from the mum and hid them from her. So he is manipulative and plays mind games. So it quite easy to imagine he lost his temper and lashed out :cow:

 

[mck16]

Well for all of us that feel that MR may have done something to Dylan on Sunday night we're all basically saying it went from a Big Mac to murder aren't we?

I guess so, but I do not happen to think MR did anything to DR either Sunday night or Monday morning or anytime. Until I see absolute proof he did this is my belief. jmo

 

[DylansMom34]

I believe that if we ever find out what happened, it will possibly be even worse than anything we could have imagined. IMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I guess so, but I do not happen to think MR did anything to DR either Sunday night or Monday morning or anytime. Until I see absolute proof he did this is my belief. jmo

I absolutely understand.

 

[YidArmyRach]

The bored waiting for my dad to come back, gonna go fish for a bit would have had to have come from Dylan's phone (already in the lake) and MR was already on the road so he couldn't have sent it from Dylan's iPod. How would MR send this message to RN?

I just meant if MR wanted to pretend to be Dylan via text, he could have done it a lot better than setting himself for a situation he couldn't possibly fulfill - ie the 6.30am dropping off of Dylan.


I really don't want to think of DR being killed by his dad, even if accidently, and I really don't want to think of MR disposing of his son's body in a panic.

However, like everyone else, the lack of mobile phone activity after 9.00pm Sunday night is the stumbling block to any other theory.

Only explanation I can think of is that Dylan's phone died on Sunday night after MR went to bed, and that Dylan switched to ipod. And phone still wasn't working the next morning, but he took it with him (wherever he went) thinking someone might be able to sort it for him.

My son's Blackberry died this week, totally unexpectedly with nothing leading up to it, mid conversation. It had an error message appear on a white screen and wouldn't reset. Nothing he did could fix it. So, to anyone texting him at that time and after, there would be a sudden and unexplained lack of mobile activity.... which lasted until today when my OH managed to download something to reset it all. I'm not techie at all, so he wouldn't have even bothered to tell me it wouldn't work, as he knew I would be of no help.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

And actually premeditated murder would fit easier into my theory, but I just can't go there. I just don't feel that's the case. I know there are some that do think that's possible simply as revenge toward Elaine. I'm just not feeling it at all.

IF he did it and all this is JMHO and all that good stuff.

 

[MrsPC]

Elaine has also stated she thinks Mark may of harmed him. Mark also took the boys from the mum and hid them from her. So he is manipulative and plays mind games. So it quite easy to imagine he lost his temper and lashed out :cow:

IMO, I also believe alcohol could have been a factor...

 

[Confusion]

The bored waiting for my dad to come back, gonna go fish for a bit would have had to have come from Dylan's phone (already in the lake) and MR was already on the road so he couldn't have sent it from Dylan's iPod. How would MR send this message to RN?

Do you have any links to anything showing that the phone is in the lake or that MR left earlier than he said he did, or is this all just speculation/rumor?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The bored waiting for my dad to come back, gonna go fish for a bit would have had to have come from Dylan's phone (already in the lake) and MR was already on the road so he couldn't have sent it from Dylan's iPod. How would MR send this message to RN?

If your theory is correct and Mark sent the Sunday evening texts to R, why would he send "can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow" rather than my dad say's that I can't come over until after he's done with his errands later in the morning. That would simplify things for Mark greatly. MOO.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Do you have any links to anything showing that the phone is in the lake or that MR left earlier than he said he did, or is this all just speculation/rumor?

I clearly stated in my original post that this was simply my theory. No links and no proof. LOL

 

[mck16]

Elaine has also stated she thinks Mark may of harmed him. Mark also took the boys from the mum and hid them from her. So he is manipulative and plays mind games. So it quite easy to imagine he lost his temper and lashed out :cow:

I saw that posted on FB and even though I asked for details I never saw any. Were charges filed by ER? Do we know the circumstances? Or was that put out there with no further explanation? tia

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If your theory is correct and Mark sent the Sunday evening texts to R, why would he send "can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow" rather than my dad say's that I can't come over until after he's done with his errands later in the morning. That would simplify things for Mark greatly. MOO.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

I don't know...maybe MR was planning on leaving at that time so that's the first thought that came to mind?

This is just my working theory. Obviously NO FACTS NO LINKS NO PROOF. Just an idea of what COULD have happened where most of the facts that we do know might fit in.

 

[Kamille]

R: So you went to run errands. Were you going to take him with you to run errands?

M: Well, there was some discussion he had with me the night before about leaving with me so I could drop him off in the Bayfield are with one of his friends that had been trying to text him or that he had been communicating with. As he had indicated to me he had been up until 4 o'clock in the morning the night before, he was tired from being in the airport most of the day in his travel from Colorado Springs to Durango. I laughed at him kind of jokingly because I know him. If he ain't got to get up, he's not likely to get up. And he's not the type of kid who's going to get up at 6:30 if he doesn't have to. But you know, his friends are important and I know they're important me. So there was a possibility but it doesn't surprise me he elected to not get up when I left. And when I left, he acknowledged everything I was saying to him and that I would be back. He knew when I came back that I would be working on getting him down to his friends. And that's part of the struggle we all have, you know, what happened to him between the time I left and when I got back. And that's what nobody seems to be able to answer.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=31

There are a couple of things that bother me about this statement. The first issue that bothers me, "there was some discussion". Dylan made concrete plans via text with R about the events for the next morning, and judging from the timeline, likely in the vehicle on the way to Vallecito from Durango. There was no reason why MR would have been distracted when Dylan told him flat out that he had made plans to meet R at 6:30am the next morning at his grandmother's house. Why would you use the term "there was some discussion" as if it was only a possibility and not a concrete plan.

MR suggesting that he knew there was no way Dylan was going to get up at 6:30am if he didn't have to. Well the plan would have meant that Dylan had to get up earlier than that. More like 5:45-6am to make it to R's grandmother's by 6:30am. So MR seems to know that the time 6:30am plays into this somehow but not exactly how. Because he would have had a different set time for both he and Dylan to be getting up if he had gone to bed that night knowing the plan for the morning. Plus he says he tried for 45 min to an hour to wake him before leaving at 7:30am. Again, insinuating that they were to get up at 6:30am, not be at R's grandmother's at 6:30am.

I also just caught up on the discussion about the last electronic communication being 9:37pm Sunday night. Is that what Bender said...electronic communication? How did that get twisted to a text message via an Ipod? He could have been referring to the last phone ping for all we know. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Confusion]

There are a couple of things that bother me about this statement. The first issue that bothers me, "there was some discussion". Dylan made concrete plans via text with R about the events for the next morning, and judging from the timeline, likely in the vehicle on the way to Vallecito from Durango. There was no reason why MR would have been distracted when Dylan told him flat out that he had made plans to meet R at 6:30am the next morning at his grandmother's house. Why would you use the term "there was some discussion" as if it was only a possibility and not a concrete plan.

MR suggesting that he knew there was no way Dylan was going to get up at 6:30am if he didn't have to. Well the plan would have meant that Dylan had to get up earlier than that. More like 5:45-6am to make it to R's grandmother's by 6:30am. So MR seems to know that the time 6:30am plays into this somehow but not exactly how. Because he would have had a different set time for both he and Dylan to be getting up if he had gone to bed that night knowing the plan for the morning. Plus he says he tried for 45 min to an hour to wake him before leaving at 7:30am. Again, insinuating that they were to leave at 6:30am, not be at R's grandmother's at 6:30am.

I also just caught up on the discussion about the last electronic communication being 9:37pm Sunday night. Is that what Bender said...electronic communication? How did that get twisted to a text message via an Ipod? He could have been referring to the last phone ping for all we know. :waitasec:

MOO

My thoughts on that are that Dylan and RN may have considered it to be concrete plans, but they may not have been concrete between him and MR. Even the 6:30 thing could have been MR saying that if he wanted to go in the morning, he'd have to be ready to leave at 6:30, and Dylan understanding it to be that he'd have to be there at 6:30.

 

[Confusion]

Elaine has also stated she thinks Mark may of harmed him. Mark also took the boys from the mum and hid them from her. So he is manipulative and plays mind games. So it quite easy to imagine he lost his temper and lashed out :cow:

She's said (other than in her initial comment) that she believes he did something, but she doesn't believe he hurt him. I think there's a big difference. MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

There are a couple of things that bother me about this statement. The first issue that bothers me, "there was some discussion". Dylan made concrete plans via text with R about the events for the next morning, and judging from the timeline, likely in the vehicle on the way to Vallecito from Durango. There was no reason why MR would have been distracted when Dylan told him flat out that he had made plans to meet R at 6:30am the next morning at his grandmother's house. Why would you use the term "there was some discussion" as if it was only a possibility and not a concrete plan.

MR suggesting that he knew there was no way Dylan was going to get up at 6:30am if he didn't have to. Well the plan would have meant that Dylan had to get up earlier than that. More like 5:45-6am to make it to R's grandmother's by 6:30am. So MR seems to know that the time 6:30am plays into this somehow but not exactly how. Because he would have had a different set time for both he and Dylan to be getting up if he had gone to bed that night knowing the plan for the morning. Plus he says he tried for 45 min to an hour to wake him before leaving at 7:30am. Again, insinuating that they were to get up at 6:30am, not be at R's grandmother's at 6:30am.

I also just caught up on the discussion about the last electronic communication being 9:37pm Sunday night. Is that what Bender said...electronic communication? How did that get twisted to a text message via an Ipod? He could have been referring to the last phone ping for all we know. :waitasec:

MOO

Do we know for a fact that Dylan told Mark the 6:30 AM time? I don't recall Mark ever saying that. I only heard that Dylan told him that he wanted to visit friends in the morning. Maybe I missed that. Do you have a link where Mark gave the 6:30 AM time?