CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #31

[The Cheese]

Video. Bender made the statement. I do believe there are other quotes one or two pages back. And this is in reference to the cell phone only. I've never said anything about communication involving the ipod or the pc. I was just responding to Ranch's statement that Dylan checked his messages the next morning...which would not be possible because Bender said No activity on D's phone past 9:37 pm Sunday evening, which means nothing in and nothing out on that cell.

I think you might be confusing Bender in the interview last night with Bender on NG? Some people were discussing what Bender had said on NG.

Last night was the text sent at 9:37. On NG on 11/28 or 12/3 Bender said there was no activity on the phone after some time on Sunday night, but didn't specify what time. So it looks to me that there could have been time for the phone to receive messages.

 

[Allusonz]

I do still have big questions about that text being from Dylan's cell.

Didn't Elaine have Dylan's cell records? I thought she had his records from her cell provider and she said he had no activity after 8 pm? Right? Or am i nutz?

Yes you are correct. The main portion of information has been stated by ER of which we now know some is not accurate.

ETA As soon as I looked up the coverage for that area, after a response to one of my posts I believe from Ransom, I realized that the messages, pings etc., where going to be an issue.

One simply needs to look up the coverage in the 4 mile radius of MR's home for cell phones.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I do still have big questions about that text being from Dylan's cell.

Didn't Elaine have Dylan's cell records? I thought she had his records from her cell provider and she said he had no activity after 8 pm? Right? Or am i nutz?

I'm right there with ya girl. I was thinking the 8 pm time was when the cell phone ceased communication...but MB insists that Bender said cell text at 9:37 pm. Now I don't know if this reporter is a stickler for details like we are here or what, but my take was that LE said last "electronic communication" at the 9:37 time and I took that to mean by the ipod or the pc and it could reference incoming or outgoing. So I don't really know anything. :banghead:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Gotcha. Your theory assumes:
There were no problems with any of his electronics (or at least ALL of his electronics) after 8:00 pm on Sunday.
That everything Mark said is correct. (What if Dylan pretended to be "out like a light" for some reason, as an example? Or if Mark is not telling the whole truth. Just a thought).
The signal when he left the house was no good, although the signal was fine IN the house.

I'm not on board with that theory, but it is possible.

BBM
I love this post.

You want to know why? Because I'm not on board with it either. But since you feel that it's possible, you've gained my respect.

 

[catswhiskers]

IMO our opinions are coloured by our experiences and what we are familiar with. 13 year old Daniel Morcombe was abducted an hour or so from where I live - he just disappeared without a trace, and with no reported sightings of Daniel with his abductor afterwards. His remains and alleged abductor were not discovered until 9 years later (yet to go to trial) - his parents were finally allowed to bury him in December 2012. I know a couple of us Australians have mentioned his case here before - it can and does happen right under our noses sometimes. Discounting a theory because it's flawed or not based on evidence is different to dismissing it because it doesn't fit with expected or past patterns/conditions/scenarios.
:moo: and not directed at anyone in particular so please don't assume it is. Just theories that some may think are unlikely, others may have knowledge of and be prepared to consider.

 

[Allusonz]

I shouldn't be addressing this issue I guess since I just admitted to being totally befuddled, but I can't seem to let go of the idea that the simplest explanation for the 9:37 communication was the receipt of R's 9:27 text. I realize that it's been reported as ongoing, but I too wonder if it's true or if it's something that was assumed and later taken as fact. Also count me in as one of those who just can't believe Dylan would set out for Bayfield without contacting R. Something else that bothers me is the theory that Dylan took all his belongings because he planned to sleepover. Maybe, but it's never been established that a sleepover was the plan. If there was to be a sleepover, it seems it would have been easier to let Dylan go to R's house Sunday night and pick him up after errands Monday morning.

There simply comes a point for everyone that when they fall asleep, the messaging would stop. It happens to everyone that does not have insomnia of which I must be suffering from at the moment.

 

[Ghostwheel]

So it's a given fact that the only way that Dylan could text message was via his cell phone?

I cannot find this as a fact anywhere. I don't Apple, but if Dylan did, he could iMessage with an iPod, an iTouch, an iPhone and/or an iPad. And, since AllusonZ mentioned wifi, it turns out that iMessage works with wifi, but (as I am too aware) regular sms texting does not.

So IF Dylan imessaged, he could have used wifi (assuming Mark had wifi) in the house, and there might not have been any kind of tower to ping off of outside the house.

TOTAL GUESSWORK HERE.

 

[katydid23]

There simply comes a point for everyone that when they fall asleep, the messaging would stop. It happens to everyone that does not have insomnia of which I must be suffering from at the moment.

But what about the next morning. He was somewhat leisurely as he took the time to turn on cartoons and have a bowl of cereal. So why not text his friends, who are waiting for him, and revise his plans?

 

[Allusonz]

Where are we getting that Dylan's phone was fine that night?

No idea where this is comming from.

For all we know he could of been using MR's. LE simply has not stated one way or the other re: DR's cell phone.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I think you might be confusing Bender in the interview last night with Bender on NG? Some people were discussing what Bender had said on NG.

Last night was the text sent at 9:37. On NG on 11/28 or 12/3 Bender said there was no activity on the phone after some time on Sunday night, but didn't specify what time. So it looks to me that there could have been time for the phone to receive messages.

No, I watched the interview...and I've been tweeting with MB for 2 days. "No cell activity after 9:37 pm" Bender has stated (paraphrasing) No cell phone activity on the phone, whatsoever, past Sunday night. Now R's texts were sent in the morning. We could clearly see that on the MSM article. So when the poster said Dylan woke up and read his text messages, I replied that it would be impossible because there was no cell activity past Sunday night. R obviously sent the text to Dylan's phone and it never showed up because the phone wasn't active. I hope this explains what I'm saying....because otherwise I'm giving up. lease:

 

[katydid23]

I'm right there with ya girl. I was thinking the 8 pm time was when the cell phone ceased communication...but MB insists that Bender said cell text at 9:37 pm. Now I don't know if this reporter is a stickler for details like we are here or what, but my take was that LE said last "electronic communication" at the 9:37 time and I took that to mean by the ipod or the pc and it could reference incoming or outgoing. So I don't really know anything. :banghead:

I am still unsure if the 9:37 one was sent from his cell phone.

 

[Allusonz]

But what about the next morning. He was somewhat leisurely as he took the time to turn on cartoons and have a bowl of cereal. So why not text his friends, who are waiting for him, and revise his plans?

It is only an issue if one takes it as an absolute that a 13 year old must be texting 24 hours a day.

In my experience, it depends on the child, thus I did note if I saw Dylan with his cell phone in his hands walking through the airport and in Walmart, which I did not see a cell phone in either photo.

I as well took the time lapses between the texts between Dylan and his friend R.

 

[Ronald99]

It's possible Dylan also had a portable gaming system, a handheld Nintendo DS or a PSP, I've noticed the talk about a iPod being found at the house, but the hand held gaming systems in a wifi enabled area will send text messages.i would imagine Dylan enjoyed playing video games, so he most likely has one. Whatever happened to Dylan's cell that caused it to quit communicating with the tower, if he does have a portable gaming system, he would be able to send text messages, but only in a wifi enabled area.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I cannot find this as a fact anywhere. I don't Apple, but if Dylan did, he could iMessage with an iPod, an iTouch, an iPhone and/or an iPad. And, since AllusonZ mentioned wifi, it turns out that iMessage works with wifi, but (as I am too aware) regular sms texting does not.

So IF Dylan imessaged, he could have used wifi (assuming Mark had wifi) in the house, and there might not have been any kind of tower to ping off of outside the house.

TOTAL GUESSWORK HERE.

Well thank you Ghostwheel, I appreciate your input. I too would like to know if Mark had wifi in his home.

 

[cluciano63]

I am not quite understanding how the people on the official FB page are rejoicing that a search group is getting involved to find Dylan and bring him home in time to attend his party...a search group searches outside. They are not exactly going to be able to determine where Dylan is being "held" so that they can "free" him. I know that page is all about prayers, but some realism must creep in sometime, IMO.

 

[katydid23]

It is only an issue if one takes it as an absolute that a 13 year old must be texting 24 hours a day.

In my experience, it depends on the child, thus I did note if I saw Dylan with his cell phone in his hands walking through the airport and in Walmart, which I did not see a cell phone in either photo.

I as well took the time lapses between the texts between Dylan and his friend R.

I never assumed he would be texting 24/7. But he did make a big deal in his texting convo with RN about wanting to come hang with his friends and he made a big deal about being there the next morning.

So before packing up all of his things and going out of the door with no ride, I would assume he would reach out to someone first and get a plan in place. JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

No, I watched the interview...and I've been tweeting with MB for 2 days. "No cell activity after 9:37 pm" Bender has stated (paraphrasing) No cell phone activity on the phone, whatsoever, past Sunday night. Now R's texts were sent in the morning. We could clearly see that on the MSM article. So when the poster said Dylan woke up and read his text messages, I replied that it would be impossible because there was no cell activity past Sunday night. R obviously sent the text to Dylan's phone and it never showed up because the phone wasn't active. I hope this explains what I'm saying....because otherwise I'm giving up. lease:

Forgive me, I'm grabbing at all straws here. MB says, specifically, no CELL activity after 9:37, or no CELL activity after Sunday night? Trying to pin down the cell phone part, as opposed to the texting part. TIA

 

[NC Analyzer]

I cannot find this as a fact anywhere. I don't Apple, but if Dylan did, he could iMessage with an iPod, an iTouch, an iPhone and/or an iPad. And, since AllusonZ mentioned wifi, it turns out that iMessage works with wifi, but (as I am too aware) regular sms texting does not.

So IF Dylan imessaged, he could have used wifi (assuming Mark had wifi) in the house, and there might not have been any kind of tower to ping off of outside the house.

TOTAL GUESSWORK HERE.

LE has obtained the ipod records. It was also on the video per Bender. That's why I'm questioning the cell activity past 8 pm...If ER had nothing on D's phone records indicating a message past that time, then I thought he would just be using his ipod and when LE came out with the 9:37 time I thought it was because they just obtained that record. That remains a big question for me, but MB insists LE said last cell phone text at 9:37. Is she assuming it was on the cell phone or was it really a text on the ipod?

 

[cluciano63]

No idea where this is comming from.

For all we know he could of been using MR's. LE simply has not stated one way or the other re: DR's cell phone.

Why would MR be texting Dylan all afternoon on Monday if Dylan had to use his phone to text the night before? MR seems to know nothing about an issue with Dylan's phone.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I am still unsure if the 9:37 one was sent from his cell phone.

I'm not sure either. It could have been sent by Dylan's cell phone or his iPod or by Mark's home computer. We just don't know. MOO.