CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #31

[asyousay]

the time was confirmed by both R and Dylan

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

R: I will

R: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

R: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

ETA: link

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

When i look at these texts i already think the trip may of gone south . Dylan seems desperate to visit the following morning . He is pushing this visit and it just does not tie in with the following morning and Dylan sleeping in.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

the time was confirmed by both R and Dylan

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

R: I will

R: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

R: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

ETA: link

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

Was this time confirmed by Mark? According to him it wasn't.

Mark Redwine said Dylan had made tentative plans to meet friends at 6:30 a.m. Monday morning, but “nothing was etched in stone.”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121128/NEWS01/121129612

 

[mck16]

All links to MSM, videos and the wonderful detailed time-frame document put together by TXJan1971, can be found on the first page of every thread. Hope this helps.

Is this the timeline you are referring to? ty


Originally Posted by vasportsmom

Here is a start on the timeline. Feel free to add or edit as needed.


Background:
2007 - Parents Divorce
July 1 2012 - Elaine, Dylan and CR move to Colorado Springs
Labor Day 2012 - Dylan visits his father
Sept 21 2012 - Mom awarded sole custody

Sunday, Nov 18
6:00-6:30pm - Dylan was picked up by his father at Durango-La Plata County Airport.
- Dylan texts Mom that he landed and was met by Dad. Text includes "scowl" emoticon.
-Dylan and Dad grocery shop on way home and plan Thanksgiving dinner.
approx 8:00pm - Last phone activity

Monday, Nov 19
6:30am-Dylan has plans to visit friends. It is expected that his father will drive him. Dylan never arrives.. Visit was originally scheduled for Sunday evening but nothing was "etched in stone".
7:30am - Dad tries to wake Dylan but he was "out like a light"
7:30am - Dad leaves to run errands and visit his divorce lawyer.
11:30 - Dad returns home and Dylan is not there. His black Hurley backpack is missing. Cell phone, charger and "various other items" are also missing.
? - Dad went to home Dylan had planned to visit looking for him R.N. called and texted Dylan all day but did not get a reply.
4:30-5:00 - Dylan is reported missing by his father after he can not locate him.
5:30 - Mom heads to Vallecito after being notified that Dylan is missing.
? -A resident who knows Dylan reported seeing him walking along County Road 501 in Vallecito Monday afternoon with another boy about the same age. Both had backpacks.

Tuesday, Nov 20
? - "Two rescue workers said they possibly saw him on separate occasions Tuesday afternoon, but he fled into the forest. Bender said Wednesday one of the sightings turned out to be a jogger; the second may have been the same jogger or Dylan."

Thanks so much for this!

Salem

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

the time was confirmed by both R and Dylan

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

R: I will

R: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

R: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

ETA: link

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

All that's confirmed here is a conversation between Dylan's phone and RN's phone. There is no proof that Dylan sent these texts is there?

 

[scorekeeper]

Who is "GH" and what happened on Friday?

supposed she posted on the official FB page for a Websleuths member to contact her or something like that....

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine?filter=2

 

[Deleted member 39678]

supposed she posted on the official FB page for a Websleuths member to contact her or something like that....

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine?filter=2

So it's a Facebook comment. Don't tell me anymore.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I agree, I believe this is a crucial timeframe. And most IPhones are set to 15 minute timestamp intervals during text conversations.

MOO

FWIW I discussed the other day here that I checked my iPhone and a conversation I was having with a friend and it time stamped a text she sent me at 9:05 then she sent me another text, i responded, then she sent another text time stamped 9:10. So it time stamped again in less then 15 minutes.

Hasn't it been confirmed somewhere in the MSM that the 9:37 text was outgoing not incoming? I thought it was, but I could be wrong.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

So it's a Facebook comment. Don't tell me anymore.

:floorlaugh:

 

[MissJ]

I was also thinking that theories and opinions are just fine as long as they are stated as such? Of course I could be wrong, but I didn't see anyone make an accusation! JMO

Actually someone, I think said that we weren't permitted to make unfounded accusations..and I replied it was not unfounded. Thats all, not jumping on anyone. Just merely explaining something.:moo:

 

[scorekeeper]

Was this time confirmed by Mark? According to him it wasn't.


http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121128/NEWS01/121129612

Why ask, if the answer is already there? It's what each wants to believe.
I provided an MSM link.

All that's confirmed here is a conversation between Dylan's phone and RN's phone. There is no proof that Dylan sent these texts is there?

I can only believe that if these were released that these were also the one's Elaine saw.

Whether Dylan sent them or not....I don't know
I think he did...

 

[SCHMAE]

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BBM

Not yet, not if I wanted my son, or, God forbid, his body back. IMO

 

[Confusion]

It is not unfounded. The only way to solve any missing persons case is by checking last known details. Mark was the last person seen with him. Statistically he is more likely to have done something with him. More likely than a random perp. That is fact.:moo:

That's where I have a problem with the whole thing. Dylan is NOT a statistic, he's a real live human child (at least he was). If you can show me any statistic that says 100% of people in MR's position will kill their child, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, he's just as likely to be one of those who didn't as anyone else is.

Jessica R.'s mother was the last known person to see her alive; she wasn't killed by her mother.
Jersey's mother was the last known person to see her alive; she wasn't killed by her mother.
Lyric and Elizabeth's grandmother was the last known person to see them alive; I don't know of anyone who believes they were killed by their grandmother.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

I've never said that it had to be a random perp if it wasn't MR, and I'd never limit myself to only two possibilities with no real evidence suggesting anyone in particular. MOO

 

[NC Analyzer]

That's where I have a problem with the whole thing. Dylan is NOT a statistic, he's a real live human child (at least he was). If you can show me any statistic that says 100% of people in MR's position will kill their child, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, he's just as likely to be one of those who didn't as anyone else is.

Jessica R.'s mother was the last known person to see her alive; she wasn't killed by her mother.
Jersey's mother was the last known person to see her alive; she wasn't killed by her mother.
Lyric and Elizabeth's grandmother was the last known person to see them alive; I don't know of anyone who believes they were killed by their grandmother.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

I've never said that it had to be a random perp if it wasn't MR, and I'd never limit myself to only two possibilities with no real evidence suggesting anyone in particular. MOO

BBM: Not trying to be argumentative, but actually that would not be entirely accurate because if it was, then the odds would be 50-50 and statistically we already know that is not true. JMO

ETA: JMO, but the majority of cases "we" (not you or me personally, but in general terms) follow are not good comparisons to this case simply because if the child has been murdered at the hands of a parent, it doesn't often involve a great mystery, thus, there is no case to follow.

 

[MissJ]

That's where I have a problem with the whole thing. Dylan is NOT a statistic, he's a real live human child (at least he was). If you can show me any statistic that says 100% of people in MR's position will kill their child, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, he's just as likely to be one of those who didn't as anyone else is.

Jessica R.'s mother was the last known person to see her alive; she wasn't killed by her mother.
Jersey's mother was the last known person to see her alive; she wasn't killed by her mother.
Lyric and Elizabeth's grandmother was the last known person to see them alive; I don't know of anyone who believes they were killed by their grandmother.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

I've never said that it had to be a random perp if it wasn't MR, and I'd never limit myself to only two possibilities with no real evidence suggesting anyone in particular. MOO

All missing children were also real live children and I certainly never mentioned 100% of anything. I'm also not talking about Lyric or Elizabeth. I also said. MOO and I'm as entitled to it as anyone else is. Its my opinion that there is some evidence of what I believe. But it is MOO and I'm entitled to it as I said.:moo:

 

[cluciano63]

Has Mark said Elaine is behind this?

I am not sure if he said he thinks ER hid him, but I thought he made a point of saying no one had been ruled out?

 

[katydid23]

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Would the continually adding new details be because once the lie is told, the liar fears it's not good enough or seems suspicious, so they add more to try to make it more believable? That's what I would guess is a reason for the add ons !

The version of the story that MR told his friend DH, was very different from what he went on to say himself. She said on NG, in the first description of the events Sunday/Monday things that are now in conflict with his newer version.

She said that Dylan went right to sleep Sunday night because he was very tired from staying up so late the previous night at his moms/ [ which was kind of a jab at ER, imo]

And she said they went shopping Sunday night and they talked about their plans for Thanksgiving. And she said that dad made a lot of noise banging around the kitchen Monday morning, in an effort to wake up Dylan, but he was out like a light, so at 7:30, Dad left to do errands. No mention of any conversation or understanding between them.

But when he came forth to tell his story, these things were somewhat
different. Now instesad of falling right to sleep, D was up watching a movie until 10:30, and the next morning Dad gently nudged him awake and they had a conversation which D totally 'understood.' And dad said they did not have a chance to figure out their Thanksgiving plans.

 

[scorekeeper]

Experts say abductions by strangers are rarities. More often a relative, family friend or neighbor is the perpetrator in an abduction

They say they have searched activity on electronic devices including Dylan's missing phone, although they will not be specific about how many devices they searched.

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=314234

video has more info

 

[Kamille]

FWIW I discussed the other day here that I checked my iPhone and a conversation I was having with a friend and it time stamped a text she sent me at 9:05 then she sent me another text, i responded, then she sent another text time stamped 9:10. So it time stamped again in less then 15 minutes.

Hasn't it been confirmed somewhere in the MSM that the 9:37 text was outgoing not incoming? I thought it was, but I could be wrong.

Where has it been confirmed that this electronic communication was a text at all?

TIA

 

[Confusion]

BBM: Not trying to be argumentative, but actually that would not be entirely accurate because if it was, then the odds would be 50-50 and statistically we already know that is not true. JMO

I do know my statistics, and that has nothing to do with what I said. If <100% of children who disappear have been murdered by the last person to see them, then the chances that DR would disappear and not be killed by MR is no different than the chance that JR would disappear and not be killed by her mother.

I don't know the exact statistics offhand, but if 75% of children who disappear have been murdered by the last person to see them, it means that 25% of children who disappear have not been murdered by the last person to see them. Even if that means he would be more likely than many other people, it doesn't mean that he's any more likely than others who were in the same position as he was. MOO

 

[scorekeeper]

Melissa Blasius&#8207;@MelissaBlasius

@D76013 @SherryGrondin 8pm came from a teen friend whom Dylan was texting. Investigators recently confirmed the real last text time- 9:37.

https://twitter.com/MelissaBlasius