CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #31

[Psychic Sleuth]

if that was the case...why would that last text be kept secret from the public?

In all fairness I don't know that LE kept this secret. I think they may have just recently discovered it when they got their report back from the crime lab and LE did not show us the texts between RN and Dylan. Those came through the MSM and were provided by RN. I doubt LE would have ever shown us those.

 

[fedfan4life]

I still think it's significant that they list the airport, Walmart and McDonald's arrival times, and then the last electronic communication (but not whether sent or received!), BUT they don't list what time Dylan arrived at Dad's house. :moo:

:moo::moo::moo: I believe that shortly after 8 pm Dylan was no longer in control of his cellphone. Until we have more information, I think that the timeframe from 8-9:30 pm Sunday night is crucial. I believe that Dylan's electronic device communication (texting) at 9:37 pm was the receipt of R's text; which reminded someone to dispose of the cellphone permanently. I no longer believe that Dylan and the cellphone will be located together. :moo::moo::moo:

I think LE released that 9:37 time as pressure. :moo:

I am on board w/this theory.

 

[Wild@Heart]

Someone was asking about night fishing on Vallecito, yes you can night fish. I tried to find out if MR had a boat, but was unable to find an answer. The lake requires a permit to put a boat on the water. MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Officials revealed Thursday that Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport at 5:46 p.m. Nov. 18; at 7:05 p.m., he was seen at a Durango Walmart; at 7:22 p.m., he went to a Durango McDonald's; and his last text message was sent at 9:37 p.m. on Nov. 18. They hope the information will yield new information.

BBM
I think that LE released this timeline for the very reason that's stated. To help in getting more information. I feel that it's to let people know what Dylan's movements and actions were on Sunday evening.

I don't think that LE wanted to release a timeline of Dylan's electronic device activity for Sunday. They don't need any help from the public in gathering that type of information. MOO.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...-details-dylan-redwines-last-known-activities

 

[deoneta]

Not really much for me to say as others are expressing my exact thoughts and questions already..

I, personally from the time the newest timeline was released have never had any reason to believe that there was 9:37pm outgoing text from Dylan..and I have yet to see anything from LE stating that it was an outgoing text..the only thing I've seen is people's opinions here and elsewhere, and then just so happened that a reporter's words suddenly including this OUTGOING TEXT as fact per LE.. fact is we have nothing from LE stating such..IMO the added opinion is just that, opinion..

My personal beliefs at this time with what is known is

A) based on mom's reading her son's cell phone records THERE WAS NO OUTGOING COMMUNICATION, PERIOD FROM HIS CELL SHORTLY AFTER 8PM.

B) which leads me to the possibility that the 9:37 last electronic communication was an INCOMING TEXT and/or PING from Dylan's cell phone.

C) the last possibility that I personally see is that Dylan's cell phone was no longer able to be used for outgoing text/calls shortly after 8pm(and yes, I personally have an opinion on why it was no longer useable).. due to its no longer being of use there was an outgoing text via his iPod at 9:37pm.

But what makes C IMO even more unlikely is that Elaine, herself has stated that NO ONE HAD HEARD FROM OR HAD ANY COMMUNICATION with Dylan since SHORTLY AFTER 8PM..

MOO IS THAT DYLAN DID NOT SEND A TEXT, PERIOD AT 9:37PM AND IMO THATS EXACTLY WHY LE HAVE NEVER STATED SUCH, BUT RATHER ONLY AN ADDED OPINION TO LE STATEMENT IS WHATS RESULTED IN THE WHOLE "OUTGOING TEXT" BEING REPEATED AS FACT, WHEN IMO IT CLEARLY IS NOT!

All jmo.

Yep, that's what I think, too. I don't think MB or any other reporter is trying to mislead, but I suspect the 9:37 communication sort of evolved into a text sent by Dylan. I generally take MSM reports as accurate, but in this case, the wording of the original LE press release and ER's statements leave me with doubts and leaning towards choice B.

 

[TxJan1971]

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[Lordeebee]

In the same uncut MR video, I though this was interesting:

"..there was some discussion about him leaving with me so I could drop him off in the Bayfield area with one of his friends that had been trying to text him, or he had been communicating with."

WHY did he say "had been trying"?? Then as though he catches himself, he adds "or he had been communicating with"

Wow, gives me the shivers

Expanding on this (just a tad), if you listen to where this part of MR's dialogue begins, he just keeps talking faster and faster, as though once he realizes what he said, he triers harder and harder to cover it back up. I know from first hand experience with a family member, that this is modus operandi when lying. The faster one talks, (they think) the listener is able to follow. It works fairly well in a normal one on one setting, but not so well when one is being recorded.

 

[scorekeeper]

I hope Melissa gets the videos posted soon.

Why all at once is MR being so visible and "calm"; I think he appears more "smug" but that JMO/MOO

 

[NC Analyzer]

I still think it's significant that they list the airport, Walmart and McDonald's arrival times, and then the last electronic communication (but not whether sent or received!), BUT they don't list what time Dylan arrived at Dad's house. :moo:

:moo::moo::moo: I believe that shortly after 8 pm Dylan was no longer in control of his cellphone. Until we have more information, I think that the timeframe from 8-9:30 pm Sunday night is crucial. I believe that Dylan's electronic device communication (texting) at 9:37 pm was the receipt of R's text; which reminded someone to dispose of the cellphone permanently. I no longer believe that Dylan and the cellphone will be located together. :moo::moo::moo:

I think LE released that 9:37 time as pressure. :moo:

For what it's worth, in the Twitter feed with MB, she was asked this question and she said MR stated they returned to the house between 8-8:30 pm.
If this has been answered, sorry for the repeat...just catching up!!
JMO and all that good stuff!

 

[imamaze]

Is their a link from MSM about the pole being Dylan's?

Ima

 

[scorekeeper]

I think it's possible that the fishing pole was "staged"
MR made that comment about why didn't they check the lake sooner - told them he took his fishing pole

so if you would stage the pole at the lake, where/in what direction would you put the body?

did they ever search east of the lake?

 

[Confusion]

Is their a link from MSM about the pole being Dylan's?

Ima

A few days ago, there was a part of a fishing pole found on the Vallecito dam and investigators have determined that it has no connection with Dylan. The owner of that broken fishing pole has been contacted and the fishing pole has been ruled out as a potential clue.

http://www.facebook.com/ReporterKevinTorres/posts/10151249960678954

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That's where I have a problem with the whole thing. Dylan is NOT a statistic, he's a real live human child (at least he was). If you can show me any statistic that says 100% of people in MR's position will kill their child, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, he's just as likely to be one of those who didn't as anyone else is.

Jessica R.'s mother was the last known person to see her alive; she wasn't killed by her mother.
Jersey's mother was the last known person to see her alive; she wasn't killed by her mother.
Lyric and Elizabeth's grandmother was the last known person to see them alive; I don't know of anyone who believes they were killed by their grandmother.
I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

I've never said that it had to be a random perp if it wasn't MR, and I'd never limit myself to only two possibilities with no real evidence suggesting anyone in particular. MOO

ITA!

And I have linked a large case study a couple of times before that has 775 cases in it where a child had gone missing/abducted and was later found murdered. Out of those 775 solved cases only 14% of them involved parents. Parents tend to call 911 pretending the child had an accident at home and accidentally died then the AR tells LE its homicide. Or they will take the child and run off with them and the child is killed while the parent is on the run from LE.

42% of the time in those 775 cases it was done by someone known to the child such as an aquaintance, friend, neighbor etc. but 44% of the time the perpretrator was a stranger and unknown to the child.

And of course there have been cases where foul play was suspected due to the length of time the child had been missing and it turned out to be an accident.

So the possiblities are many.

IMO

 

[TxJan1971]

For what it's worth, in the Twitter feed with MB, she was asked this question and she said MR stated they returned to the house between 8-8:30 pm.
If this has been answered, sorry for the repeat...just catching up!!
JMO and all that good stuff!

Jumping off your post:

FYI Only - Twitter posts were allowed to be included in the Timeline, so any tweets from Melissa regarding stated "times" were included in the Timeline I posted in here yesterday (and also available in the Media/Timeline thread).

 

[scorekeeper]

electric went off at Superbowl had a power surge.....

O/T

 

[imamaze]

http://www.facebook.com/ReporterKevinTorres/posts/10151249960678954

Thanks Confusion, ok... so no link saying that the pole belonged to Dylan. Unless their is a link from MSM or LE discussing it belonging to Dylan is considered Rumor and not discussable here.

Thanks

Ima

 

[sunni]

is this an area code? :waitasec:

No, I think Ozgirl was referring to the recent 9.37 text thing.

 

[azgrandma]

I'm sure she'll correct me if I'm wrong, but what I understood her to say was that he didn't return the kids when he was supposed to. When asked when he actually did return them, she said the next day. I'm not sure if she meant the day after he was supposed to, the day after LE was contacted, or both. MOO

He returned them the next day, that was the day AFTER he was suppose to return them. However, there was a person that s/w LE and he said he was going to return them on a Tuesday which would have been three days after his scheduled return time, he also said he was out of state, but IRRC he wasn't out of state. It was never clarified to me, if he was in the state, out of the state, if planned on returning them on this day or that day. All I knew was that he didn't return them as scheduled, said he wasn't going to return them, had no intent on returning them, didn't return them until after LE got involved, the "story" of where the children were changed several times.

 

[Confusion]

He returned them the next day, that was the day AFTER he was suppose to return them. However, there was a person that s/w LE and he said he was going to return them on a Tuesday which would have been three days after his scheduled return time, he also said he was out of state, but IRRC he wasn't out of state. It was never clarified to me, if he was in the state, out of the state, if planned on returning them on this day or that day. All I knew was that he didn't return them as scheduled, said he wasn't going to return them, had no intent on returning them, didn't return them until after LE got involved, the "story" of where the children were changed several times.

Thanks. I knew you had given a bit of information about it, but I couldn't find it to make sure I had the facts right.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

He returned them the next day, that was the day AFTER he was suppose to return them. However, there was a person that s/w LE and he said he was going to return them on a Tuesday which would have been three days after his scheduled return time, he also said he was out of state, but IRRC he wasn't out of state. It was never clarified to me, if he was in the state, out of the state, if planned on returning them on this day or that day. All I knew was that he didn't return them as scheduled, said he wasn't going to return them, had no intent on returning them, didn't return them until after LE got involved, the "story" of where the children were changed several times.

Wow that must have been unnerving!