CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #32

[Salem]

There is absolutely no excitement in his texts to show he is pleased to be back in the place he lived for about 12 years .

I guess that is a matter of interpretation. I think making plans to go see his friends at 6:30 a.m. shows some excitement.

I do think his texts show there is some disappointment about not being able to go to his friend's immediately, but aside from that, I'm not seeing anything alarming about his texts. They look pretty normal overall, to me.

Salem

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Elaine did say he was excited to go to Bayfield and see his friends.

 

[Salem]

Is it possible that Dylan's iPod was out of the backpack (say in the truck) and it wasn't discovered until later?

Well, this is kind of what happened, right? I don't know if the iPod was in the truck, but it wasn't in the backpack if the backpack is missing and LE recovered the iPod during the search.

Or do you mean someone besides LE finding it?

Salem

 

[asyousay]

I guess that is a matter of interpretation. I think making plans to go see his friends at 6:30 a.m. shows some excitement.

I do think his texts show there is some disappointment about not being able to go to his friend's immediately, but aside from that, I'm not seeing anything alarming about his texts. They look pretty normal overall, to me.

Salem

And yet if this is true then i am meant to believe Mark and think Dylan simply did not want to get up the following morning ?!

 

[Amster]

Two things strike me
ER had lots of friends right near by that would have given him a ride if he needed it. By saying that it seems that DR had those friends' numbers and knew them well enough to call if he needed a ride. But he did not. Could one of those friends be a bad person and ER didn't know ? Maybe DR did call them ? Food for thought. Second, they checked everywhere for his shoe print. I'm assuming she means as soon as she got there while prints would still be fresh. But there wasn't snow then, correct? So if he were walking on pavement there would be no shoe print, right?

Third, sorry ! TxJan's transcribe again :
Elaine Redwine:
The judge made it very clear when he spoke with Dylan one on one that he would not release those records. They were released to law enforcement but they won’t release them to anybody other than law enforcement

What the HECK is in those sealed records. This statement makes it sound as if Dylan was very concerned about what he was going to say and would only say it once he knew it would be sealed and no one, more specifically MR, would never see it . So if it's so bad, why would the judge even allow him to go ? It cannot be that bad, right?

Maybe it wasn't all about MR....maybe there were things DR said about ER, also. Neither parent should ever be shown the info of what a child tells a judge. If there is something that needs to be followed up on, I'm confident the judge would do that before sending the child to be with whichever parent the accusations were made against.

 

[SCHMAE]

There is absolutely no excitement in his texts to show he is pleased to be back in the place he lived for about 12 years .

In all honesty , he's only been gone 2 some odd months at this point, not like 3 years. So two months flies by in kid time , especially with the new school , new friends at his new home. It might not have seemed like he's been gone forever. Just a thought. I'm not even saying this is my belief, just an extra thought !

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well, this is kind of what happened, right? I don't know if the iPod was in the truck, but it wasn't in the backpack if the backpack is missing and LE recovered the iPod during the search.

Or do you mean someone besides LE finding it?

Salem

I am referring to a comment that we don't know if the iPod taken by LE was Dylan's or not. Early on Elaine stated that MR said everything of Dylan's was in his backpack phone, phone charger, ipod, ipod charger.

I'm just saying that is it possible that in the beginning Elaine assumed everything in the backpack was missing along with Dylan, but later LE found Dylan's iPod when they searched the home/seized the vehicles?

I don't think it's ever been stated whose iPod it was that LE took.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Maybe it wasn't all about MR....maybe there were things DR said about ER, also. Neither parent should ever be shown the info of what a child tells a judge. If there is something that needs to be followed up on, I'm confident the judge would do that before sending the child to be with whichever parent the accusations were made against.

Well I am happy to see that whatever Dylan told the judge is being kept confidential...as it should be. I hope he was honest with the judge. He might have truly missed his Dad and wanted to spend more time with him but was afraid to tell his Mom this. It would be totally normal for him to miss his Dad. Kids usually do love both their parents. They may not like some of the things their parents do, but they usually love them regardless.

 

[asyousay]

If that is Dylan's iPod then i am surprised he never took it with him to listen to music. He is off walking for possible miles before he gets a lift so it would make sense to take your iPod to listen to tunes . :cow:

 

[i8mypaint]

BBM

It is assumed that Dylan didn't want to go to his dad's. BUT maybe it was ER's feelings Dylan didn't want to hurt? Maybe Dylan did want to go to his Dad's but knew his mom didn't want him to, or didn't want to tell his mom because she doesn't like his Dad.

Kids are really good at understanding what a parent thinks/likes/wants and kids will do what they need to do, including keeping secrets and not being 100% honest, when they feel they need to, in order not to upset the parent. It is an assumption that Dylan did not want to go to MR's with very little basis in fact, given that Dylan had just been there the month before with, apparently no problems, or at least no problems we know about. And the month before that, he went on a road trip with MR and apparently, there was no problem there either? At least not a problem that we know about?

Dylan could have been trying to protect his mom's feelings, as much as he might have been saying he didn't want to go. We don't know. BUT LE knows, and that is what counts. I hope it leads them to some answers and pretty darn quick. This child needs to come home.

Salem

I know when I went through a horrible custody battle my daughter knew I was hurting and though I tried really hard not to let on what we were going through she saw my mood, demeanor, and that I would say very little about her dad... So in turn she would not talk about him to me at all. She didn't want to hurt my feelings. Things are much better now but I know she got stuck in the middle and as much as you try to not do that sometimes the other parent can't help themselves but to try to make things horrible. Kids just want each parent to be happy... So they will do whatever they need to, good thing the judge did that. MOO

 

[mck16]

I guess that is a matter of interpretation. I think making plans to go see his friends at 6:30 a.m. shows some excitement.

I do think his texts show there is some disappointment about not being able to go to his friend's immediately, but aside from that, I'm not seeing anything alarming about his texts. They look pretty normal overall, to me.

Salem

I agree with you and I also don't think the level of excitement of DR or his mood can be determined in 37 texted words. It appears to me to be the texts/replies of a typical teen boy. jmo

 

[Salem]

And yet if this is true then i am meant to believe Mark and think Dylan simply did not want to get up the following morning ?!

Well, LOL, you may view the facts as you interpret them. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just saying I don't see it the same way.

Dylan is 13, almost 14. He is a young teenager and at the age where friends become all important, right after food and sleep. So, I question his not getting up also, but, for me, it is plausible that he just didn't want to get up right then. I can believe that. That doesn't mean my hinky meter is not on alert.

There are things that don't make sense. I agree 100% with that.

I find it very strange that Dylan's phone may have gone dead, but apparently there was another texting device (maybe) and it was not used when he woke up in the morning to say he overslept, but he's on his way now.

The phone going dead is completely plausible to me. Dylan apparently was using it all day Sunday. BUT I don't understand why, if he could, he didn't use the iPod? I can understand not using the computer and I can find reasons why he might not have used the landline (but they are not as plausible), but I'm having a hard time with the iPod because he had a texting account and it wasn't used Mon. morning.

So, I agree that things don't quite add up. I'm just still looking for the clue that can't be explained away that may help find Dylan, is all.

Salem

 

[Salem]

I am referring to a comment that we don't know if the iPod taken by LE was Dylan's or not. Early on Elaine stated that MR said everything of Dylan's was in his backpack phone, phone charger, ipod, ipod charger.

I'm just saying that is it possible that in the beginning Elaine assumed everything in the backpack was missing along with Dylan, but later LE found Dylan's iPod when they searched the home/seized the vehicles?

I don't think it's ever been stated whose iPod it was that LE took.

I see. And yes, I agree we don't know who's iPod it was. But what we do know is that LE managed to find his iPod texting account, so that's good, regardless of who's iPod it was.

But .... not knowing who's iPod it was, makes it harder to figure out the last text at 9:37 p.m. We do have confirmation from the reporter that Dylan sent a text, right? It wasn't receieved, it was sent, right?

Salem

 

[Dee10]

If that is Dylan's iPod then i am surprised he never took it with him to listen to music. He is off walking for possible miles before he gets a lift so it would make sense to take your iPod to listen to tunes . :cow:

Very true! Also for the reason above & other personal things like pictures, etc. it should be easy to tell who's iPod is who's if MR has one as well.

 

[SuperMom1995]

ER: "I just don’t think he knew Dylan, especially as he was growing into his teenage years. He underestimated Dylan. I think, you know, he just didn’t know him very well." Just speculation but maybe MR did underestimate DR and didn't expect him to fight back.

 

[Lordeebee]

There is absolutely no excitement in his texts to show he is pleased to be back in the place he lived for about 12 years .

Plus there was the emoticon in D's text to his mother.

When I listened to ER, she sounds as though she had a choice whether Dylan went to his dad's or not, although I don't know if that's the case if the visit was court ordered.
You know…I wish I did because then he’d be home. I mean, I wish I could relive that day… and… and do things a lot differently. Umm… I had absolutely nothing to do with Dylan’s disappearance… and…I really feel sorry for the person who did.

Where she says she wishes she could relive that day ... and not tell Dylan he had to go? But then again, toward the end of the interview she talks about how Dylan was excited to make the trip.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I see. And yes, I agree we don't know who's iPod it was. But what we do know is that LE managed to find his iPod texting account, so that's good, regardless of who's iPod it was.

But .... not knowing who's iPod it was, makes it harder to figure out the last text at 9:37 p.m. We do have confirmation from the reporter that Dylan sent a text, right? It wasn't receieved, it was sent, right?

Salem

BBM

LOL, Well....that all depends. LE didn't state this in their 'official announcement' but it was stated as a SENT TEXT in MSM later. Some think that might have been a misprint.

I personally think that just the fact that LE stated that they found Dylan's iPod texting account and they confiscated an iPod and we now know that Dylan did indeed have an iPod and took it with him and had texting abilities on said iPod. Well put two and two together. It seems rather obvious to me.

 

[asyousay]

I agree with you and I also don't think the level of excitement of DR or his mood can be determined in 37 texted words. It appears to me to be the texts/replies of a typical teen boy. jmo

He began texting one of his closest friends, RN, the Sunday he flew to Durango.

Starting about noon Sunday, the two carried on a constant stream of banter. The back and forth continued as the boys made plans to hang out as soon as possible.

So Dylan was happy and laughing and joking with his friend. Then he arrives and suddenly the texts are short and not very forth coming . He seems almost desperate to see Ryan and is pushing to visit by declaring he will ring RN all day if he does not let him in. And yet desperate this he apparently just " slept in" the following morning which is in total contrast to the texts the night before.

:cow:


ETA- Link to prove the quote http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

ER: "I just don’t think he knew Dylan, especially as he was growing into his teenage years. He underestimated Dylan. I think, you know, he just didn’t know him very well." Just speculation but maybe MR did underestimate DR and didn't expect him to fight back.

And this is how I could see a father trying to discipline his son and it going south.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Plus there was the emoticon in D's text to his mother.

When I listened to ER, she sounds as though she had a choice whether Dylan went to his dad's or not, although I don't know if that's the case if the visit was court ordered.
You know…I wish I did because then he’d be home. I mean, I wish I could relive that day… and… and do things a lot differently. Umm… I had absolutely nothing to do with Dylan’s disappearance… and…I really feel sorry for the person who did.

Where she says she wishes she could relive that day ... and not tell Dylan he had to go? But then again, toward the end of the interview she talks about how Dylan was excited to make the trip.

I think a lot of this she is talking in hindsight. I think most Mom's would do whatever it takes to not put their child in the hands of someone they thought might harm them. At the time she did not think any harm would ever come to Dylan by sending him to his Dads. In hindsight, had she have known she never would have put him on the plane.