CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #32

[Salem]

Sure MR is working on that appointment right along with the mediation meeting.....

I hope you aren't holding your breath...:what:

I'm going to point out here that this isn't fair. MR has control over the mediation meeting - so I have no issue with that. BUT the poly would depend on LE/FBI. They are in charge of administering the test, deciding if they want a 2nd test, determining who will administer the test if they do want one. It is all in LE's control.

And, I believe the minute LE asks MR to take that 2nd test and he refuses, we are going to hear about it and LE is going to let us know the level of cooperation has changed.

Also - LE may not want a 2nd test. They may have all they need from the 1st one. Inconclusive can mean many different things. If he was lying, LE knows that. It is up to LE to determine if they think the 2nd test is going to produce different results. If they don't think it will, they are probably not going to spend the money, time and personnel resources on it.

But, the ball is in LE's court.

Salem

ETA: okay thinking about this further, never mind. Maybe LE likes to see the pressure applied, so that when they do ask, there will be no getting out of it and then LE can ask different questions. :dunno:

 

[Lordeebee]

THis is a weird, thinking out of the box question. But I wonder if the cable tv company can tell if the television was turned on and accessed on Monday morning?

I know they have records to show if you use 'pay for cable.' But do they also have any records showing if it was used at all? Can they show if the tv was in use?

Right KD - the other option would be to see it on cable (whether a free movie or pay-per-view). So I think that's a really good question you asked!

 

[katydid23]

So the movie is from 2009 - I guess that narrows it down to already owning the movie, or purchasing it at Walmart. Unless they stopped at a movie rental store on the way home?

Maybe it was playing on TV that night. Didn't he say it was ' over at 10:30?' That sounds more like it was being shown on TV than it was a rental, imo.

 

[Eileen730]

Netflix?

 

[Confusion]

It's possible they used Netflix for the movie. MOO

 

[LWoods]

Many Walmarts have a redbox or other DVD rental unit inside (mine does at least) perhaps they picked it up there?

ETA: Whoops, I see that has already been covered.

 

[momshrink]

I think there is some kind of electronic communication be it I pod, game system,
Ir computer. But I do not think it has anything to do with his cell phone!

Coming out of lurkdom to say I agree. I have a 13 year old. I think Dylan was texting with several friends. Kids communicate by text. My son grabs his phone when he wakes up. No electronics are allowed at meals, but if he is home alone, he will eat while using his phone.
Nothing has been mentioned about Dylan communicating on Facebook or a forum. Most 13 year olds are on both. Lots of kids that age are on minecraft and steam.They access these by phone, ipod, xbox, and computer.
I think LE has those records.
MOO, imo, etc.

 

[DylansMom34]

With DVR, Netflix, Redbox, cable/videos on demand, etc., I wonder if people in smaller towns are more likely to go to video stores. I can't even remember the last time I was in a video store.

 

[Dee10]

O/T Jodie Arias is on the stand now if anyone is interested - HLN

 

[nikb]

Azgrandma thank you so much for this post! You touched on a number of things that have been driving me crazy that are being stated so many times they're assumed as facts. The thanks button wasn't enough. I'll respectfully snip your post in this quote just for space reasons, but here are the ones that stood out to me and I think they are worth repeating.

I tried to catch up but after seeing that the last thread had some 30 pages to be read, I gave up for now and will go back later.

FWIW, IMO, MOO, O/T
I believe that once something is stated enough times, it's believed to be fact. I'm not attacking anyone, it just seems to be human nature. Here are some of the examples that I am referring to:

No cell phone reception at MR's home <snip>

MR is an alcoholic - nothing confirming or denying that either way. <snip>

DR's last communication was with an ipod <snip>

Fishing pole was missing <snip>

Sweatpants at MR's were DR's <snip>

My point is, that even we are confusing the facts. There are so many wonderful theories from everyone. IMO they have allowed us all to think outside the box.

I respect everyone's opinion, thought, input, all of it. I just get confused when I read something as fact that hasn't been determined yet. We need a cheat sheet to keep it all straight

BBM - isn't that the truth! I agree with you on the theories and how it's helpful for thinking of ideas, but I also think it's really important to specify/keep straight things that are speculation and "what if" scenarios. "IMO" or "MOO" doesn't always cover it if it's something like "IMO after they bought the fishing pole at Walmart, went home then played with the Nerf ball, then watched a movie while Dylan texted via his iPod, maybe MR and Dylan got into a fight and something happened." I feel like it reads like the first 4 things (fishing pole, Nerf ball, movie, texting via iPod) are all known facts.

There are a few others that I worry about heading that way because they've been repeated so much:

- The fishing pole was purchased that day at Walmart. If we take MR's word for it that Dylan had one and it was missing, it could easily have been there before this visit.

- The Nerf ball was purchased that day at Walmart. Another item that could've been at the house already.

- Dylan didn't want to be there, and/or was angry, grumpy, etc. with MR.

I know I'm sort of contradicting myself but all of the above is IMO.

 

[nikb]

Many Walmarts have a redbox or other DVD rental unit inside (mine does at least) perhaps they picked it up there?

ETA: Whoops, I see that has already been covered.

Yes, although, I just remembered that every redbox kiosk has different stock at different times. There are two kiosks side by side at the grocery store I normally go to, and it's not at all uncommon for people to try them both if the first one doesn't have the one they're looking for. With a movie this old they might only have one at any given kiosk. It seems unlikely that redbox would restock this one quickly (if at all), so it's possible it was rented from Walmart and returned somewhere else.

Here's more on that: https://redbox.custhelp.com/app/answers/cat/c/2

"How many copies of each movie are in each box?

Each box is stocked with anywhere from one to a couple dozen copies of each movie. If a movie you want to rent is out of stock at your favorite Redbox location, you can look for a copy nearby."

"Is the inventory at my favorite Redbox location the same as other locations near me?

Not necessarily. Inventory is based on the rental habits of the customers at each location, and since discs can be returned to any Redbox location, inventory can get moved around from place to place."​

That said I tend to think the more likely scenarios are it being on TV or him already owning it, but just wanted to mention that about Redbox.

 

[Seajay]

Azgrandma thank you so much for this post! You touched on a number of things that have been driving me crazy that are being stated so many times they're assumed as facts. The thanks button wasn't enough. I'll respectfully snip your post in this quote just for space reasons, but here are the ones that stood out to me and I think they are worth repeating.



BBM - isn't that the truth! I agree with you on the theories and how it's helpful for thinking of ideas, but I also think it's really important to specify/keep straight things that are speculation and "what if" scenarios. "IMO" or "MOO" doesn't always cover it if it's something like "IMO after they bought the fishing pole at Walmart, went home then played with the Nerf ball, then watched a movie while Dylan texted via his iPod, maybe MR and Dylan got into a fight and something happened." I feel like it reads like the first 4 things (fishing pole, Nerf ball, movie, texting via iPod) are all known facts.

There are a few others that I worry about heading that way because they've been repeated so much:

- The fishing pole was purchased that day at Walmart. If we take MR's word for it that Dylan had one and it was missing, it could easily have been there before this visit.

- The Nerf ball was purchased that day at Walmart. Another item that could've been at the house already.

- Dylan didn't want to be there, and/or was angry, grumpy, etc. with MR.

I know I'm sort of contradicting myself but all of the above is IMO.

Thank you both nikb and azgrandma. Like you, this has been driving me nuts. Things are constantly being bandied about as FACT when it isn't, while speculating. We were told that we could speculate, but it had to be based on FACT. FACT. FACT.

I've read so many: If MR got mad at Dylan for texting, and accidently hit him and killed him with one blow, he could have hid the body on the way home." Ok, right here, we don't know if Mark got mad at Dylan while he was texting. We do know that Dylan WAS IN FACT texting. We don't know that MR hit him, we don't know if Dylan is dead, let alone that Mark killed him, we also don't know about hiding any body on the way home or at any other time because: WE DON'T KNOW IF DYLAN IS DEAD.

Out of this entire line of speculation, one thing and only one is true and fact. Dylan was texting.

I've seen speculations that MR killed DR either accidently or intentional. We don't know that DR is dead, let alone that MR did anything to him. We need to get back to the facts in this case and base our speculation on those. TYVM.

 

[DylansMom34]

The little boy being held in Alabama is safe!!! Abductor is dead. Just heard a news update on this.

Sorry for the O/T

 

[Dee10]

We have heard speculating that Dylan is alive and MR is innocent, when this hasn't been established as fact as well. My understanding is reasonable speculation based on the possibilities LE has set out which includes abduction or something happened in the home. LE hasn't speculated in awhile whether they believe Dylan is alive or not. JMO

 

[Seajay]

We have heard speculating that Dylan is alive and MR is innocent, when this hasn't been established as fact as well. My understanding is reasonable speculation based on the possibilities LE has set out which includes abduction or something happened in the home. LE hasn't speculated in awhile whether they believe Dylan is alive or not. JMO

But our last known FACT is that Dylan was alive. That hasn't changed by anything LE has said.

 

[asyousay]

But our last known FACT is that Dylan was alive. That hasn't changed by anything LE has said.

Well if Dylan is alive why are LE not doing more to bring him home home and sound ?

It's been well over two months and nobody has claimed to have him seen him besides Mark since that Sunday night !

 

[NC Analyzer]

Well if Dylan is alive why are LE not doing more to bring him home home and sound ?

It's been well over two months and nobody has claimed to have him seen him besides Mark since that Sunday night !

LE will often support the public/family perception that a missing person is alive. That isn't to say that behind the scenes they don't believe otherwise. JMO

 

[Dee10]

But our last known FACT is that Dylan was alive. That hasn't changed by anything LE has said.

I wish it was a fact lease: but if LE does not know what happened by giving the different scenarios that they have put forth and there appears to be no evidence either way by sitings, nor finding him, I believe it is a fair open question.

 

[azgrandma]

Melissa Blasius &#8207;@MelissaBlasius @SherryGrondin @9NEWS Mark Redwine says they got home between 8 & 8:30 and watched the movie until 10:30. Which movie? Adventureland.

woohoo! Thank you sooooo much Dee10. I have a twitter account but couldn't figure out how to work it or anything! I appreciate this. :great:

 

[NC Analyzer]

But our last known FACT is that Dylan was alive. That hasn't changed by anything LE has said.

LE doesn't provide a lot of FACTS in a case such as this. There are several aspects in this case that haven't been provided by LE, but it doesn't mean they aren't true. We rely on LE for some facts that cannot be found somewhere else, but we all have the ability to investigate, deduce, analyze and determine additional information. LE didn't provide us with MR's legal history and prior charges; we managed to find them on our own. It doesn't negate the fact that they happened. IMO, that is what this thread is about.
JMO