CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #32

[NC Analyzer]

I also wonder about noticing that "missing" fishing pole right away...would that be anyone's first concern when they haven't heard from their kid? Gee, I think I'll just look around and see if he took a fishing pole with him. Most of us just CALL the friends....and if we don't have any numbers, yes, we would jump in the car and head out to find them. But really do any of you look around to see what's missing? He didn't say he went to the river/creek close to his house...he immediately headed to Vallecito to the friend's house. He said he looked around the lake, but from what I've seen on the map, he couldn't help "looking" around the lake because he had to drive right past it. If my kid wasn't answering my texts/calls and I thought he might be fishing, I would go to his fishing spots first...not a friend's house. JMO

 

[azgrandma]

Just wanted to add...it really doesn't take that long to check the whereabouts of anyone or confirm their alibi. We are talking 10-12 SO in that area. Why the fuss and negative reference from MR? Is he in LE? MOO

Oh you mean they don't have ONE officer personally knock on the door of each RSO, question him/her, then personally drive to wherever he/she was suppose to be, question people and then move to the next? j/k
Checking out that many in 24/48 hrs is nothing, I do believe that LE employs more than one person at a time.

 

[mck16]

Just wanted to add...it really doesn't take that long to check the whereabouts of anyone or confirm their alibi. We are talking 10-12 SO in that area. Why the fuss and negative reference from MR? Is he in LE? MOO

What about friends that are visiting the RSO's. Case that comes to mind is Lunsford case where the RSO was a visitor. Only when LE went back did they discover Jessica. Why the sarcasm about MR? We all know he is not LE. And to me an SO is the logical avenue to pursue. And I agree that it should take awhile to clear them all. jmo

 

[TxLady2]

I agree with children wanting to see their parents get back together, especially if they are put in the middle all the time or feel they can't be honest with either parent.

are you saying that Dylan didn't like MH?

NO. I was merely giving an example, from experience to illustrate a point that kids don't always accept their parents not being together, some of them never do.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

If DR is like my teen grandson, he doesn't take the time to unpack. He just retrieves what he needs from the backpack as he needs it. jmo

I do the same whenever I go on vacation. I leave my suitcase packed and operate from that. Has it ever been confirmed that DR had a separate bedroom at MR's house? Meaning, if he were to unpack his stuff, did he have an empty dresser available to unpack into? Also, planning to go to his friends house the very next morning, DR would probably find it easier to just leave his stuff packed. No need to unpack just to re-pack in the morning.

Just my way of thinking....

 

[SuperMom1995]

BBM

catch some physiological ones....?

Yes, and I am leaving work in a few :seeya: and when I get home I am going to watch the video again and comment.

 

[NC Analyzer]

physiological , physical stress signs

Ok, that was what you meant, lol....Stress is often seen in some of the things we have been referring to, (MR mannerisms, demeanor, underlying anger, etc) but it is also one of those things that is hard to put a finger on as we all react differently to stress and LE wouldn't have an advantage any more than we would as far as visual indications, especially if they haven't had much interaction with him in the past. He is a stranger to them as much as he is a stranger to us. I refer to it as my hinky meter, others call it their "gut" reaction. But I will say this, something is off and the poster who was inquiring about how he normally converses with people (to Azgrandma) is thinking and doing exactly what LE would do under these circumstances, which is try to get a feel for what is this person's usual way of talking, mannerisms, etc. JMO

 

[mck16]

I also wonder about noticing that "missing" fishing pole right away...would that be anyone's first concern when they haven't heard from their kid? Gee, I think I'll just look around and see if he took a fishing pole with him. Most of us just CALL the friends....and if we don't have any numbers, yes, we would jump in the car and head out to find them. But really do any of you look around to see what's missing? He didn't say he went to the river/creek close to his house...he immediately headed to Vallecito to the friend's house. He said he looked around the lake, but from what I've seen on the map, he couldn't help "looking" around the lake because he had to drive right past it. If my kid wasn't answering my texts/calls and I thought he might be fishing, I would go to his fishing spots first...not a friend's house. JMO

Yes, I would say that is the normal thing for a parent to do when trying to figure out where their child might be. I have done that many times. Well, is his bike gone, is his jacket missing, etc. If they live by a creek or a lake and if the child likes to go there or walk in the woods, I don't think it is unusual for MR to try to figure out where he might be. My first thoughts certainly would not be that he has been kidnapped or met with foul play. I would do the list for my own peace of mind. jmo

 

[KateNY]

grabbing some of the snippets posted here/BBM


We need to know that whoever's responsible for this has enough compassion in their heart to change what's been done and bring him home..

drop him off at Wal-Mart, let him come home...

just got back from working in New Mexico; works a lot in California
works 14 hour days



just speculating, that whomever may have 'abducted' Dylan, just never thought it would get to this, with all this 'to-do' and publicity


:twocents:

 

[scorekeeper]

Just a note: I was paraphasing what MR said about LE and the RSOs....

will try to go back and edit my post...

and yes, LE probably made the initial interviews with the RSOs pretty quickly (especially the one down the road)

 

[scorekeeper]

NO. I was merely giving an example, from experience to illustrate a point that kids don't always accept their parents not being together, some of them never do.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

That's why I asked; didn't think you were:seeya:

 

[SuperMom1995]

Just wanted to add...it really doesn't take that long to check the whereabouts of anyone or confirm their alibi. We are talking 10-12 SO in that area. Why the fuss and negative reference from MR? Is he in LE? MOO

He's just deflecting...

 

[mck16]

No, you are right. I was just trying to think about the scenario being more of a casual exchange vs. an argument. We don't know which it was.

We have made a pretty big deal out of MR telling Dylan no. But how the conversation played out between the two of them could have gone several ways. Maybe MR straight up said "NO", maybe it was "How about (insert the blank) instead?". Dylan could have been angry & thrown out some teenager attitude/sarcasm, etc. Or, maybe not. Maybe he shrugged it off and it did not become some sort of MR vs DR confrontation.

I agree and if this kind of confrontation would lead to murder there would be no teenagers alive in this world. JMO

 

[Seajay]

What about friends that are visiting the RSO's. Case that comes to mind is Lunsford case where the RSO was a visitor. Only when LE went back did they discover Jessica. Why the sarcasm about MR? We all know he is not LE. And to me an SO is the logical avenue to pursue. And I agree that it should take awhile to clear them all. jmo

True and Hadden Clark was a visitor at his brother's house when he murdered Michelle Dorr. He left the house right after so it took another murder before they caught up with him.

 

[mijamawi]

I'm trying to catch up, but wanted to respond to these with my thoughts... although I'm sure I'll find they've been hashed as I continue to read...

I also took it to mean, bang his head...knock some sense into him :furious:

I can't go there right now....what a choice of words to use with your son missing...

I fail to see the big deal. Unless he literally beat Dylan to death with a blow to the head, why would this be insensitive? It's everyone else who has this thought. JMO

Also we know he was at McDonalds at 7:22. He said they drove through and I would guess the 7:22 time provided by LE was the time on the receipt. But you don't get home until 8:15-8:30? This to me is when the timeline provided by MR starts getting sketchy.

I thought he said they left McDonalds around 7:30 and it was a 45 minute drive home? I'll have to re-watch.

One thing we now know is that MR says he was aware of the missing fishing pole before he set out looking for Dylan. One thing that stood out for me were his comments on going on to Bayfield. He says, words to the effect, that he doesn't know where all Dylan's friends live, but enough to point him in the right direction. He then says the first place he went, there was R and N at N's house. R didn't text that he was at N's house until 10 AM that morning. I'm not sure if he meant that he went first to R's house or another friend's home, but he does say the first place I went was to N's home All MOO.

I thought he said he knew where a couple of his friends lived, (R and N) and the first place he went to was where they were at, but I took it as he knew the houses but not necessarily who lived in which house? MOO

So why didn't he go there first KWIM? Especially as he seemed to know about the RSO.

Maybe he didn't know about the RSO until after they were cleared? MOO

Referencing an alleged abductor, MR says:

"..whoever is responsible for this has enough compassion in her heart..

Interesting.

 

[Confusion]

...which are now covered up with rearranged furniture?

One of the spots was on the end of the couch, and the other in MR's bedroom. I saw nothing saying his room was rearranged, and if something had happened on the end of the couch, any evidence should still be on the couch. MOO

I agree with children wanting to see their parents get back together, especially if they are put in the middle all the time or feel they can't be honest with either parent.

are you saying that Dylan didn't like MH?

I obviously have never seen them together, but the body language and facial expressions I've seen in pictures of DR and MH together didn't look like they were very close. I'm not saying that MH did anything, but I don't see any indication that there was much affection there. MOO

No, you are right. I was just trying to think about the scenario being more of a casual exchange vs. an argument. We don't know which it was.

We have made a pretty big deal out of MR telling Dylan no. But how the conversation played out between the two of them could have gone several ways. Maybe MR straight up said "NO", maybe it was "How about (insert the blank) instead?". Dylan could have been angry & thrown out some teenager attitude/sarcasm, etc. Or, maybe not. Maybe he shrugged it off and it did not become some sort of MR vs DR confrontation.

The one thing that both of his parents, and pretty much everybody else seems to agree on is that Dylan wasn't likely to have been sarcastic or argumentative. MOO

 

[Babbi-Dan]

If I look up MR's house on maps.google.com, I can see a large pond at the house (?) next to his. I can't tell if there is a house there or a barn of some sort. Is it possible that DR headed for this lake to go fishing? I assume it was checked by volunteers, but did they take the dogs there? Also, it is a short distance to the river, according to the aerial view I am looking at. Did the volunteers check the river thoroughly? I seem to recall them going along the road and then from MR's house down to the large reservoir. What about searching in the other direction? Can anyone here verify that they did search in that direction? Thanks! I just can't recall reading where they did so.

 

[NC Analyzer]

What about friends that are visiting the RSO's. Case that comes to mind is Lunsford case where the RSO was a visitor. Only when LE went back did they discover Jessica. Why the sarcasm about MR? We all know he is not LE. And to me an SO is the logical avenue to pursue. And I agree that it should take awhile to clear them all. jmo

I can only speak from personal experience with LE in my area. They all should know 101 Investigations. It would have been checked out. Everyone. Anyone. And probably a few extras that don't even have connections to the family of DR or any SO.
I didn't think I was being "snarky" about MR. I stated my opinion. I have seen him point the finger at LE more than one time now in his few interviews. He appears to point that finger at anyone whenever he is in the spotlight, but yet, he is the first one dismiss anyone who points the finger at him. He couldn't even admit that he feels somewhat responsible for Dylan's disappearance...and yet we see that ER blames herself...5 hours away. ANY parent in his shoes would feel guilty and responsible if their child disappeared. Except in this case, MR doesn't think that would be "productive". Nice. JMO and only my opinion.

 

[cluciano63]

Repeating for those not reading back-he said in "their" heart, not "her".

 

[SCHMAE]

Missing from MR"s morning time line this go round is that DR woke up enough to say
'yes i understand' about MR leaving and thus missing his ride to his friends until later.
js