CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #32

[azgrandma]

imo the difference is that ER is upset at MR because he "lost" their son, so her statements have been born out of anger about wanting her son back (post losing Dylan). Many of MR's statements about ER, have little or nothing to do with finding Dylan and refer to problems they had before he was missing (pre losing Dylan).

BINGO! You said what I've been thinking and just couldn't put to words, thank you!

 

[asyousay]

I honestly do not believe somebody stopped by that day and took Dylan from the house because Mark says in the interview when Dylan is in town its about them two. So why on earth would of Mark invited somebody around when he says he dedicated all his time to Dylan when he was in town ?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I wonder (NO FACTS) if it's possible that the 9:37 outgoing text showed that he was angry about something?

Or...is she thinking maybe he was angry and ran away?

I think that's a rather odd statement for her to make, since nothing has been stated saying Dylan was angry in the least. At least not that we know of.

Perhaps she's already been in contact with LE?

Just a thought....

“I get to know Dylan,” she said. “I want more information on Dylan himself, his tendencies, what kind of athlete he was, what kind of a kid he was, how angry he might have been."

When I read Wendy Kessinger's comments, I get the understanding that she doesn't have any information suggesting that Dylan was angry but he "might have been" and is going to ask family if that's possible. MOO.

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/forensics-150683-boy-monument.html#ixzz2K8uVgOIr

 

[cluciano63]

I just cannot picture the scenario of someone MR knows who hears about Dylan's visit staking out the house for a chance to kidnap him. Predators do not really need to go to this extreme, one that would seem to have a small chance of having everything work perfectly, to find a child to kidnap. And this would almost have to be someone who not only knew he was coming but also knew MR was likely to leave him alone, which only happened by chance since Dylan is said to have overslept, anyway. Narrowing down the list of potentials suspects considerably, one would think. LE would have asked MR to name anyone who knew Dylan was there.

Even more unlikely to me is the idea that a friend of MR's stopped by who also just happened to be a child predator, and hey, it was his lucky day.

IMO if a stranger or an outsider is involved in any way, it happened away from the house after Dylan left. But I do not believe he would do so without reaching out to R.

So. I am stuck.

 

[Eileen730]

But if Mark has already told everything he knows to her and LE, then why would he want to sit down with her when she is clearly angry and blaming him, even if it's just anger that he disappeared on Mark's clock. Would it solve anything or answer anything or would it just generate more anger and hurt feelings if it just turned into a yelling match. This may have been what has happened in the very beginning of this all.

I totally agree that they should sit down and talk and I thought it was stated that Mark would do so with a mediator.

Personally I dont think this talk should be done with a mediator.
I think Elaine needs to sit down with him and look him in the eye and ask him a few things.
Seems to me hes a bit bitter towards her. Mark is the one that lost their child she has every reason to be angry. Maybe after talking to him face to face she wont blame him any more. there is no love lost here in this very dysfunctional relationship.

Mark wont do it! JMO

 

[JustJeannie]

o/t
my favorite saying:
There will be time for cleaning and cooking for children grow when you're not looking.

There will come a time when the restroom is your only time for privacy!

O/T also but you just reminded me of the sampler my mother made for me, that hung on the wall of my sons' nursery when they were small:

"Cleaning and scrubbing can wait 'til tomorrow,
For babies grow up, we've learned to our sorrow.
So quiet down cobwebs, dust go to sleep,
I'm rocking my baby, and babies don't keep."

Such true words... FruitTingles, enjoy every moment of now, tiring though it may be. This is such a wonderful time in your life. (And your daughter is beautiful!)

 

[Kamille]

I've been thinking on this post RANCH, for a few days . ER said they looked for his distinctive shoe prints, which I don't know if that would do any good since there was no snow on the ground at the time. So no shoe prints outside does not necessarily mean Dylan did not walk out the door on his own, imho. I'm assuming his prints would be right around the driveway and going into the house because he arrived there Sunday night ( presumably) . I'm assuming that a wandering SO would not care if Dylan packed his backpack and took it with him or not or even know if he had a backpack. From what we've seen/heard there seems to be no evidence that any 3rd person went INTO the house to snatch Dylan.........MOO. So what I"m thinking is A) Possibly MR in a variety of ways or B) a KNOWN to DYLAN abductor. Someone he willingly took all his things with because he thought he'd be getting a ride to a friends. C) SO who literally snatched Dylan from the open doorway. He knocks, Dylan answers and he picks him up ON the spot and carries him off without ever entering the house. Dylan may have even put on his backpack and was in the process of opening the door or standing on porch to leave. How else can we explain no footprints anywhere? C doesn't seem very likely to me at all. Unknown SO would not care about that backpack and odds of DYlan having it on that moment are miniscule,right . This person had to know Dylan. Ughh, I don't know. Tell me where all my thoughts are flawed ! I will be happy to hear it !

It appears from the pictures of MR's residence that he does not have a paved driveway and walkway but rather loose gravel and dirt. I'd imagine the shoulders of the road are also soft gravel. Distinctive shoe prints may show up in dirt and soft gravel rather than only in snow.

MOO

 

[azgrandma]

But if Mark has already told everything he knows to her and LE, then why would he want to sit down with her when she is clearly angry and blaming him, even if it's just anger that he disappeared on Mark's clock. Would it solve anything or answer anything or would it just generate more anger and hurt feelings if it just turned into a yelling match. This may have been what has happened in the very beginning of this all.

I totally agree that they should sit down and talk and I thought it was stated that Mark would do so with a mediator.

Jumping off of this.

IMO he would sit down and talk with the mother of his child and answer all her questions. Simply because she is the mother of his child! Simply because HE is the only one that can answer those questions at this time.

The time to put your big boy pants on was long ago, day one. MR doesn't get IMO the excuse that he is going to get yelled at, screamed at, doesn't want to hear her beyotch at him, whatever else. No excuse. Simply because he has stated TWICE that he understands that she is angry because he was the last one with Dylan. If you understand something then you know what's going to come of it.

What makes me so dang angry :furious: :furious: is that for two months ER has been trying to text & call MR, he hasn't responded (this is according to ER in several MSM) now all of a sudden after how freaking long, MR decides that on the advice of LE he is going to contact his attorney to arrange for a mediator to meet with him & ER. Now he's the hero! Because MR wants to talk to ER through a mediator. WTF. If you can't talk to the parent of your missing child without a mediator then there is seriously something wrong you. He should've sat down on November 19th.

I am not addressing you personally in any way shape or form, I'm addressing MR & ER meeting.

 

[Kamille]

Personally I dont think this talk should be done with a mediator.
I think Elaine needs to sit down with him and look him in the eye and ask him a few things.
Seems to me hes a bit bitter towards her. Mark is the one that lost their child she has every reason to be angry. Maybe after talking to him face to face she wont blame him any more. there is no love lost here in this very dysfunctional relationship.

Mark wont do it! JMO

MR did apparently have a sit down talk with two of his older sons shortly after Dylan disappeared. It doesn't appear as though either came away from that meeting with a good feeling that he had nothing to do with Dylan's disappearance.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I've been thinking on this post RANCH, for a few days . ER said they looked for his distinctive shoe prints, which I don't know if that would do any good since there was no snow on the ground at the time. So no shoe prints outside does not necessarily mean Dylan did not walk out the door on his own, imho. I'm assuming his prints would be right around the driveway and going into the house because he arrived there Sunday night ( presumably) . I'm assuming that a wandering SO would not care if Dylan packed his backpack and took it with him or not or even know if he had a backpack. From what we've seen/heard there seems to be no evidence that any 3rd person went INTO the house to snatch Dylan.........MOO. So what I"m thinking is A) Possibly MR in a variety of ways or B) a KNOWN to DYLAN abductor. Someone he willingly took all his things with because he thought he'd be getting a ride to a friends. C) SO who literally snatched Dylan from the open doorway. He knocks, Dylan answers and he picks him up ON the spot and carries him off without ever entering the house. Dylan may have even put on his backpack and was in the process of opening the door or standing on porch to leave. How else can we explain no footprints anywhere? C doesn't seem very likely to me at all. Unknown SO would not care about that backpack and odds of DYlan having it on that moment are miniscule,right . This person had to know Dylan. Ughh, I don't know. Tell me where all my thoughts are flawed ! I will be happy to hear it !

I don't see any flaws in your post. Dylan could have also decided to leave the house with his backpack ,try to hitchhike to his friends and was then abducted. MOO.

 

[Eileen730]

MR did apparently have a sit down talk with two of his older sons shortly after Dylan disappeared. It doesn't appear as though either came away from that meeting with a good feeling that he had nothing to do with Dylan's disappearance.

MOO

I agree.
I think this is where Cory got his info re: the inconclusive poly! JMO

 

[dlc]

imo the difference is that ER is upset at MR because he "lost" their son, so her statements have been born out of anger about wanting her son back (post losing Dylan). Many of MR's statements about ER, have little or nothing to do with finding Dylan and refer to problems they had before he was missing (pre losing Dylan).

Thank you!

 

[Eileen730]

I don't see any flaws in your post. Dylan could have also decided to leave the house with his backpack ,try to hitchhike to his friends and was then abducted. MOO.

But why would he do that.
Dad was comming back for him!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But why would he do that.
Dad was comming back for him!

He didn't want to wait. He was already late.

 

[dlc]

Just chiming in here. Maybe these 'unfortunate choices of words' he has spoken only mean that he knows he is not responsible for whatever happened to Dylan, so he is not being overly careful about what he says. Guilty people will normally pick and choose carefully what they say so that they don't give something away when they speak to media or LE.

IDK. Not saying he's guilty or not, but if he is, he seems awfully relaxed, not at all tense or worried about how he comes across. JMO.

I agree -- he does seem relaxed, not tense.

But IMO, that's troubling.

 

[Kamille]

ER and MR do not even agree on basic personality characteristics of Dylan. So it is not really surprising they have so many issues.

Honestly, even if they got along great, not sure how that would help solve this case. Some of the media has probably been generated because of their squabbles. And LE will only pay attention to what turns out to be relevant, one would hope.

I found it interesting that ER said that Dylan was not that interested in football, well at least actually playing the sport, and yet MR said that Dylan told him at the beginning of this visit that he was not happy about not being able to try out for the school football team? Would this be the only thing he had to say to his father about his new life two months after school had begun? Have they not had any contact since then? In fact I believe that was the only conversation that MR has mentioned that they supposedly had about something other than vague Thanksgiving plans.

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[SuperMom1995]

I finally managed to get my overheating, decrepit laptop to play the interview (thanks to those who offered transcript links - and those who did the transcripts, btw!) -- and here's a couple late night observations from a tired, overheated brain:

1. Melissa so needs a new camera person to prevent viewers from suffering motion sickness..

2. Mark seems very self-oriented, and focussed on making sure we all know what a great dad he is. Also on slinging mud back at Elaine.. dragging up bitterness from the relationship (which we all know about, since -they- are the ones talking it up on the subject). It was very interesting to me, to hear him speak about his relationship with his son, the kind of language used to describe that. Made me wonder how he'd cope if Dylan kind of grew out of it, now he's a teenager.

3. Dylan was probably numbered high among the arsenal of weapons in this bitter divorce. After seeing both interviews, I think he still is.

4. I am kind of irritated by both parents and the interviewer speaking about Dylan quite often in --past tense-- like he's not maybe out there somewhere still alive. I do get that it's been months.. and hope fades. But as someone said above - what if Dylan was watching all this? I think any kid would be crushed to hear himself spoken of in past tense. /pet peeve rant ends

5. I must watch again tomorrow, regarding M's statements referencing Dylan's friends. He sure said 'friends' a lot. Something there's bothering me.

I'm choosing not to read about the dogs, right now. Too awful.

I do not have a specific quote or reference but I have a background in psychology (undergrad) and Law, and I have read that words which are repeated over and over, during an investigation, are sensitive in some way.

 

[Eileen730]

He didn't want to wait. He was already late.

Isnt it like 18 miles?
Hes out in the middle of no where.

Sorry Ranch I just dont see it.

first off he would text dad and say Hey where are you? Will you be home soon to get me?

Also Text R and tell him you overslept and when dad got back he would come.

Or if he decided to take off on his own he would have told his friend JMO

This child went off radar Sunday evening.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I do not have a specific quote or reference but I have a background in psychology (undergrad) and Law, and I have read that words which are repeated over and over, during an investigation, are sensitive in some way.

Yes, and the words and theme that seems to be repeated over and over is the 'friends' and how important Dylan's friends are to him and how understanding MR was of this. BIG RED FLAG FOR ME.

Now what didn't change was the story about them having no specific plans for Thanksgiving or the week. This rings true to me.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Isnt it like 18 miles?
Hes out in the middle of no where.

Sorry Ranch I just dont see it.

first off he would text dad and say Hey where are you? Will you be home soon to get me?

Also Text R and tell him you overslept and when dad got back he would come.

Or if he decided to take off on his own he would have told his friend JMO

This child went off radar Sunday evening.

And Mom laughed at the question of whether or not Dylan would attempt to walk to Bayfield IIRC stating that he just wasn't that energetic. It sounded like she thought that idea was ridiculous.