CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[scorekeeper]

Elaine and Cory have both said something about Mark not seeing Dylan much the last couple of years, even though everyone was living in the same county. I know Dylan was at Mark's over Labor Day.

I understand parents have to work but having children and spending time with them have to also become a priority.

Mark never said....I work out of town a lot and I only get home every 4-6 weeks but I made sure the weekends home are spent with Dylan....not even, I really enjoyed watching Dylan play baseball this past year....not even, sometimes I only got to see Dylan for a day when I got back this way from working out of town.....

Nope, he talked about the trips to baseball and nascar venues and I am glad they did their roadtrips.

The real problems started when Elaine moved away with MH and the courts made their ruling.....now Mark had to do a real visitation schedule and stick with it but within the first 24 hours of the first court-ordered visit Dylan vanished.

And what type of papers did Mark go to his attorney about, perhaps dates for other visits?....this could be a clue, maybe not.

I know men like Mark. Nothing is ever their fault, especially if they have an ex-wife to blame. And they blame without coming right out and saying it....but it's obvious to those that know Mark and others that have been through a relationship with someone like Mark.

Yep, I believe he "dazzled" with bull**** during his interview.

And if LE believes Dylan was abducted, they sure haven't done a real good job of informing the people they serve.

JMO/MOO

 

[asyousay]

Elaine and Cory have both said something about Mark not seeing Dylan much the last couple of years, even though everyone was living in the same county. I know Dylan was at Mark's over Labor Day.

I understand parents have to work but having children and spending time with them have to also become a priority.

Mark never said....I work out of town a lot and I only get home every 4-6 weeks but I made sure the weekends home are spent with Dylan....not even, I really enjoyed watching Dylan play baseball this past year....not even, sometimes I only got to see Dylan for a day when I got back this way from working out of town.....

Nope, he talked about the trips to baseball and nascar venues and I am glad they did their roadtrips.

The real problems started when Elaine moved away with MH and the courts made their ruling.....now Mark had to do a real visitation schedule and stick with it but within the first 24 hours of the first court-ordered visit Dylan vanished.

And what type of papers did Mark go to his attorney about, perhaps dates for other visits?....this could be a clue, maybe not.

I know men like Mark. Nothing is ever their fault, especially if they have an ex-wife to blame. And they blame without coming right out and saying it....but it's obvious to those that know Mark and others that have been through a relationship with someone like Mark.

Yep, I believe he "dazzled" with bull**** during his interview.

And if LE believes Dylan was abducted, they sure haven't done a real good job of informing the people they serve.

JMO/MOO

That is what gets me here . I am new here and this is the first real case i have spent time on and there just seems a real lack of urgency if it was a stranger abductor .

They go weeks without saying anything and i would of assumed if they thought Dylan was still alive and out there with a perp that they would be seen to be doing more .

Now maybe this is how cases work and i am just assuming this is what happens.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That is what gets me here . I am new here and this is the first real case i have spent time on and there just seems a real lack of urgency if it was a stranger abductor .

They go weeks without saying anything and i would of assumed if they thought Dylan was still alive and out there with a perp that they would be seen to be doing more .

Now maybe this is how cases work and i am just assuming this is what happens.

If LE has no evidence at this point that a stranger abducted Dylan does that mean it didn't happen? If they have no evidence that a stranger abducted him, that could explain why they haven't informed the public about an abduction.

I'm sure that there is a lot of things that LE is doing that we don't know about. Looking for evidence of a stranger abduction could be one of those things. MOO.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I think obviously they have not named MR a POI because they don't have the proof needed to do this and likewise they have not openly stated they think it was a stranger abduction because of the same. They just don't have the proof needed for either IMO.

 

[asyousay]

I think obviously they have not named MR a POI because they don't have the proof needed to do this and likewise they have not openly stated they think it was a stranger abduction because of the same. They just don't have the proof needed for either IMO.

Which is what i think and 80 days on and they seemingly have nothing to go on then this will not change anytime soon IMO.

 

[The Cheese]

LE has stated about a million times throughout the case that one of their theories is abduction.

They just stated it again -

"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Regarding stranger abductions, statistically, most abductions are not strangers to the child. Either the child knows or knows of the abductor, or vice versa. That knowledge can be as simple as the child saw the abductor walking down the street one time, or the abductor saw the child walking down the street one time.

NCMEC has several good documents on both family and non-family abductions.

 

[asyousay]

LE has stated about a million times throughout the case that one of their theories is abduction.

They just stated it again -

"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Regarding stranger abductions, statistically, most abductions are not strangers to the child. Either the child knows or knows of the abductor, or vice versa. That knowledge can be as simple as the child saw the abductor walking down the street one time, or the abductor saw the child walking down the street one time.

NCMEC has several good documents on both family and non-family abductions.

I still dont buy it.

The road is one way in and one way out. And nobody has reported seeing anything on the Monday morning in question.

Dylan was never spotted on the road either on that Monday morning .

:cow:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

LE has stated about a million times throughout the case that one of their theories is abduction.

They just stated it again -

"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Regarding stranger abductions, statistically, most abductions are not strangers to the child. Either the child knows or knows of the abductor, or vice versa. That knowledge can be as simple as the child saw the abductor walking down the street one time, or the abductor saw the child walking down the street one time.

NCMEC has several good documents on both family and non-family abductions.

BBM
You bring up a good point. When referring to a possible abduction in this case, it shouldn't be limited to only possibly being a "stranger" abduction. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Which is what i think and 80 days on and they seemingly have nothing to go on then this will not change anytime soon IMO.

LE may have nothing to go on or perhaps something broke recently and they may be close to solving this case. We have no way of knowing one way or another. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I still dont buy it.

The road is one way in and one way out. And nobody has reported seeing anything on the Monday morning in question.

Dylan was never spotted on the road either on that Monday morning .

:cow:

I look at that this way. The remote area could work in an abductors favor by making it unlikely for someone to witness an abduction. MOO.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

BBM
That may or may not be true. The content of the 9:37 PM text could contain information that only Dylan and the recipient would know about. MOO.

Very good about the information only Dylan and another would know. I'm still trying to work this through my head, as far as the device that was used. I am trying to think of a question that could be asked that may clear up more than simply knowing what device was used.

LE said that either something happened to him at the home or he left and something happened to him. It seems they have narrowed down that he made it to the house. It certainly would be nice if they would clarify that bit of info. Maybe the reporter could be ask if LE has verified Dylan made it to the home and how they were able to verify that.

If that is verified, then that leaves the perplexing question of if his cell didn't work, did he have others way of communicating from the home such as his ipod? Your still left with the landline and computer as others ways he may have communicated. I think it's safe to say that he either didn't choose to communicate with anyone in the morning or he for what ever reason didn't have the chance, because something happened to him.

It could always be argued that he didn't have a way to charge his devices and/or the internet and phone service were out. (Here we have combined packages for internet, cable and phone) It would still have to be verified, if there was an interruption in service at the house. I think it would be pretty impossible to answer the question of why Dylan didn't try to contact anyone in the morning. There are to many things that would have to be ruled out that just couldn't be. Especially the fact that he may have just chose not to.

eta: above I should have said after 9:37pm not in the morning.

 

[The Cheese]

I still dont buy it.

The road is one way in and one way out. And nobody has reported seeing anything on the Monday morning in question.

Dylan was never spotted on the road either on that Monday morning .

:cow:

I apologize. I see now I didn't really say what it was I was responding to. It wasn't whether I thought Dylan had been abducted, but whether LE has adequately informed the public that it is a possibility. I was trying to say that I feel that they have.

 

[The Cheese]

If there was a 9:37 text sent from Dylan's cell phone I'm trying to figure out how that could be and Elaine not be able to see it. I could see this happening maybe if the text was sent but never went through, but I would think LE would need the actual phone to discover this wouldn't they?
How on earth could a text be sent via the cell phone and Elaine not be able to see it through her provider records? I'm assuming Elaine has requested these records from her provider by now. I realize that going online and looking at text details may not show everything but I know she can request this info from the provider and she can even get text conversation details. I wonder if she did this?

I think you may have solved that one. It makes the most sense to me, that she quickly grabbed the online records, and probably doesn't even know she can request the full text history from the phone company. I hope somebody tells her. She could even find out who the text was to based on the phone number it was sent to.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think that LE not warning the community, or even just being more vocal, is because they do not believe that Dylan was abducted by a stranger. However, I don't think this necessarily means that it didn't happen. I just feel that LE would be behaving differently if they believed a stranger abducted Dylan. The Jessica Ridgeway case was also in Colorado, and LE in Dylan's case can see how LE acted in Jessica's case, and one would assume that the Ridgeway case would show them the importance of being vocal when it comes to a stranger abduction.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I think you may have solved that one. It makes the most sense to me, that she quickly grabbed the online records, and probably doesn't even know she can request the full text history from the phone company. I hope somebody tells her. She could even find out who the text was to based on the phone number it was sent to.

She could even get a print out of what the texts said I believe. I know someone who was able to get months of detailed text records in a domestic violence case not long ago. She got the records from her cell provider and gave them to LE.

 

[The Cheese]

According to a post on his facebook 4 hours ago, Bobby Brown, the bail guy who works with Dog the bounty hunter, is working with Elaine -

https://www.facebook.com/bobby.brown.9674/posts/421266131287834

Here's another of his posts from yesterday about Dylan -

https://www.facebook.com/bobby.brown.9674/posts/10151423429109759

 

[asyousay]

According to a post on his facebook 4 hours ago, Bobby Brown, the bail guy who works with Dog the bounty hunter, is working with Elaine -

https://www.facebook.com/bobby.brown.9674/posts/421266131287834

This makes more sense as when i originally saw Bobby Brown name mentioned , i wondered why a R&B singer was suddenly helping out.

 

[Confusion]

This may have been said already, but I haven't seen it. If 9:37 was his last electronic device communication, is it possible that he had communication with someone later on the landline or some other non-electronic method? I've just been trying to figure out why it would be worded that way. MOO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

According to a post on his facebook 4 hours ago, Bobby Brown, the bail guy who works with Dog the bounty hunter, is working with Elaine -

https://www.facebook.com/bobby.brown.9674/posts/421266131287834

Here's another of his posts from yesterday about Dylan -

https://www.facebook.com/bobby.brown.9674/posts/10151423429109759

I don't know anything about this person, but his posts sound so much more professional than the crap pants or naked man. It makes me feel better seeing this and it certainly seems like he has a lot of connections and the resources to hopefully get to the bottom of things!

 

[The Cheese]

This may have been said already, but I haven't seen it. If 9:37 was his last electronic device communication, is it possible that he had communication with someone later on the landline or some other non-electronic method? I've just been trying to figure out why it would be worded that way. MOO

Oh my gosh, my DH and I have had several knock-down drag-outs in the past few days on whether La Plata LE and the FBI would consider a landline phone an electronic communications device or not. :floorlaugh: I keep wondering how the wording of my divorce papers is going to explain that as the reason for our divorce. :floorlaugh: