CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[Psychic Sleuth]

If LE wanted someone to know about a message, and they knew who that someone is, they can directly tell that someone about a message. They don't need to release that information to the public. They are also not going to lie to public about something as specific as a message at 9:37 pm.

They may have told this someone.

So why do you think they would release this 9:37 text info to the public?

 

[Lordeebee]

I hope this works okay.
https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine/posts/587252551301352

Yeah, I think this is a copy of a report from MSM. Oh well..

 

[jjenny]

They may have told this someone.

So why do you think they would release this 9:37 text info to the public?

To inform the public of what they actually do know?
Frankly I am not sure why they released so little information so far.

 

[Salem]

I'm not sure where she is getting her info. It's possible that she's correct. Or it's possible that LE told her it was a sent text and she assumed it was from the cell phone. Most people hear text and assume that = cell phone.

I hate to question what she says because she's been so generous to upload the raw video for us.

And I wanted to add that I've seen comments about her interview bloopers and to be fair we all have to remember that this is the RAW uncut version. I think if we were to see uncut interviews from other reporters we would see similar.

The reporter said she verified that it was a sent text, from DR's CELL phone. That the cell phone is the only electronic device LE is referring too. I believe her because the answer was in response to questions on her twitter and she said she double checked.

Which.... messes up the iPod theory that had my imagination on overdrive.

Salem

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

To inform the public of what they actually do know?
Frankly I am not sure why they released so little information so far.

They could release ping details but haven't. That is something I'll bet they know. (and something I would really like to know lol)

 

[asyousay]

The reporter said she verified that it was a sent text, from DR's CELL phone. That the cell phone is the only electronic device LE is referring too. I believe her because the answer was in response to questions on her twitter and she said she double checked.

Which.... messes up the iPod theory that had my imagination on overdrive.

Salem

I 100% agree , it was the phone. Sometimes black is just black

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

The reporter said she verified that it was a sent text, from DR's CELL phone. That the cell phone is the only electronic device LE is referring too. I believe her because the answer was in response to questions on her twitter and she said she double checked.

Which.... messes up the iPod theory that had my imagination on overdrive.

Salem

I understand that but how is it possible it was sent from his cell phone and his Mom does not know about it. Elaine even stated again in her recent interview that activity on Dylan's cell phone stopped shortly after 8pm.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If LE asked Elaine to not talk about the 9:37 text she could simply say she's not allowed to discuss when his last cell phone usage was. But she doesn't and she keeps saying activity on his cell phone stopped shortly after 8pm (which coincides with RN's screen shots).

 

[azgrandma]

9:37PM Dylan’s last electronic device communication (texting)

That does not tell us that it is an incoming or outgoing, it doesn't tell us if it was a cell phone, ipod or computer.

LE hasn't necessarily lied, the twitter from MB is the same that has happened here, if it is said enough times and portrayed as fact, it gets remembered as fact.

 

[Lordeebee]

I am way far behind today because people at my work think I actually need to be working today. :furious:

Anyway, has this been posted? Latest from 9news (but nothing really new)

http://www.9news.com/news/article/315231/207/Missing-Dylan-Redwine-turns-14-Wednesday

So they did load up the uncut vids to their news site.
Very interesting the picture they show of MR (where the video was paused):
I was noticing those gestures during the interview also. This article about lying not only mentions the ear and nose touching but other signs as well, such as adding unnecessary details, etc.:
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php

 

[TxLady2]

I don't see any reason for LE to directly lie to the public about a message, if there was no message at 9:37 pm.

They wouldn't. I've never known LE in any case to actually lie on purpose. What reason would they have to lie? They don't play games, this is serious business.
Perhaps if the text was sent from another device, it would not show up on the phone bill because it didn't come from the phone itself. I don't know how things like that work, because we are on AT&T and they don't list calls or texts anymore with the bill, haven't for several years. Actually, we don't even get a bill now, they send us a text with the amount and we pay it electronically.

 

[SCHMAE]

I thought MB double checked again and said that it was OUT GOING ?

 

[asyousay]

I thought MB double checked again and said that it was OUT GOING ?

Yep , Dylans last text was at 9:37 on his mobile which he sent.

 

[Lordeebee]

I don't see any reason for LE to directly lie to the public about a message, if there was no message at 9:37 pm.

One possibility would be that they had just finished doing the forensic search of the "electronic device". So for instance if MR didn't know there was anything from Dylan on that device (i.e. the ipod), it would be a way of letting the suspect know they found new evidence without disclosing what that evidence is. Then the suspect might change his/her story to now include the new evidence.

 

[azgrandma]

The reporter said she verified that it was a sent text, from DR's CELL phone. That the cell phone is the only electronic device LE is referring too. I believe her because the answer was in response to questions on her twitter and she said she double checked.

Which.... messes up the iPod theory that had my imagination on overdrive.

Salem

But couldn't the reporter have been wrong? Or could she have assumed that "text" meant cell phone since that is what the police were talking about. Or she could be spot on. In the conversation I don't see where she double checked but there could be other where she said she did.

Melissa Blasius ‏@MelissaBlasius
@lynseypug I was told the last text sent from his cellphone was at 9:37 pm. It's the only electronic device investigators are talking about

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thank You AZGrandma!

So, this individual is not a problem-solver (unreasonable solutions are not effective solutions) and has a tendency to deflect blame (which can easily be seen through his current words and actions).

Not having the capability to solve problems often leads to an individual feeling that he/she has no control over his/her environment or circumstances.

Not being willing to accept your own culpability in the face of difficulties often leads to misplaced anger, and, unfortunately, those closest in proximity are the most likely to be the target of that anger.

These traits are a volatile combination. Purely speculation, but there are a number of reasonable scenarios which could explain this child's disappearance @ the hands of his father on the evening in question.

If Mr. Redwine were shown to be a well-balanced individual who has the propensity toward self-reflection, then I could make a leap of faith and seriously entertain the idea of an abduction by a random perpetrator. But, in cases such as this, there are ALWAYS tells.

LE needs to get MR into the station and grill him hard. I truly don't see how this situation will be resolved any other way.

I believe you are spot on! My daughter's father is that way and never makes a decision so that whoever does make it gets blamed if things go wrong and he can have an uncontrolled temper.

Thanks to you all for bringing forth this particular discussion. I do not have anything really to add to it other than to say not only do I agree with it being spot on..but
when a shoe fits it just does, and hasn't a damn thing to do with the now common misconception of there being "confirmation bias"..IMO the label just does not apply here..its simply pointing out characteristics of one of the main individuals at the heart of the case.

IMO turning a blind eye is just as, if not more of a negative issue than confirmation bias.(if that were to be present, which IMO with this case that particular issue isn't at play).

As always jmo.

 

[asyousay]

But couldn't the reporter have been wrong? Or could she have assumed that "text" meant cell phone since that is what the police were talking about. Or she could be spot on. In the conversation I don't see where she double checked but there could be other where she said she did.

Melissa Blasius ‏@MelissaBlasius
@lynseypug I was told the last text sent from his cellphone was at 9:37 pm. It's the only electronic device investigators are talking about

The one where she said she double checked i think came out yesterday. So i believe her.

 

[azgrandma]

I don't believe that LE lied, I do believe that they released a statement and let people assume what they wanted to. (remember what they say about assume)
I don't believe the reporter lied, I do believe that with 2 1/2 hrs of interviews, much of which she said was done off camera, means she either had to take notes quickly or memorize those videos (which is impossible to do verbatim). She could have double checked her notes and twitted away that she was sure. But her notes could have been something like:
937 last text

I do know that LE lies during investigations.

 

[Lordeebee]

One possibility would be that they had just finished doing the forensic search of the "electronic device". So for instance if MR didn't know there was anything from Dylan on that device (i.e. the ipod), it would be a way of letting the suspect know they found new evidence without disclosing what that evidence is. Then the suspect might change his/her story to now include the new evidence.

Just to clarify, I don't think that LE lied about the 9:37 communication. I tend to believe it was added to the timeline either because they just obtained the new evidence, or they were craftily releasing prior held evidence at this particular moment for a very specific reason.

 

[TxLady2]

If LE asked Elaine to not talk about the 9:37 text she could simply say she's not allowed to discuss when his last cell phone usage was. But she doesn't and she keeps saying activity on his cell phone stopped shortly after 8pm (which coincides with RN's screen shots).

Why would she be asked not to talk about that message? I can't think of a logical reason why they would tell her not to mention it. Unless they just meant the content of the message and she misunderstood, thought they meant not to mention it at all. Possible, I guess.
But I would bet my bottom dollar that LE has not deliberately lied, if they say a message was sent from his cell phone, then I believe them.
Maybe the message was not sent BY Dylan, and LE knows it.