CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[Lordeebee]

I don't believe that LE lied, I do believe that they released a statement and let people assume what they wanted to. (remember what they say about assume)
I don't believe the reporter lied, I do believe that with 2 1/2 hrs of interviews, much of which she said was done off camera, means she either had to take notes quickly or memorize those videos (which is impossible to do verbatim). She could have double checked her notes and twitted away that she was sure. But her notes could have been something like:
937 last text

I do know that LE lies during investigations.

....typing at the same time AZ Grandma!

 

[TxLady2]

I don't believe that LE lied, I do believe that they released a statement and let people assume what they wanted to. (remember what they say about assume)
I don't believe the reporter lied, I do believe that with 2 1/2 hrs of interviews, much of which she said was done off camera, means she either had to take notes quickly or memorize those videos (which is impossible to do verbatim). She could have double checked her notes and twitted away that she was sure. But her notes could have been something like:
937 last text

I do know that LE lies during investigations.

Yes, they will lie to a suspect. But they have no reason to lie to the public or to the family.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

So they did load up the uncut vids to their news site.
Very interesting the picture they show of MR (where the video was paused):
I was noticing those gestures during the interview also. This article about lying not only mentions the ear and nose touching but other signs as well, such as adding unnecessary details, etc.:
http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php

Great link about detecting liars. Funny, my ex always used to (fake) yawn or rub his chin before he would lie. It took me many years to recognize this and even after I told him I could tell when he was lying because he would do this, he couldn't control it and continued to do it. Everything I just read at this link is so true! And I see much of this on MR's interview.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Why would she be asked not to talk about that message? I can't think of a logical reason why they would tell her not to mention it. Unless they just meant the content of the message and she misunderstood, thought they meant not to mention it at all. Possible, I guess.
But I would bet my bottom dollar that LE has not deliberately lied, if they say a message was sent from his cell phone, then I believe them.
Maybe the message was not sent BY Dylan, and LE knows it.

So why would Elaine keep saying his last activity on his cell phone was shortly after 8pm?

 

[azgrandma]

Yes, they will lie to a suspect. But they have no reason to lie to the public or to the family.

But they aren't lying IMO. They said that the last communication was at 937 (text) they never said anything more. It was the reporter that said it was a text sent from the phone. Not LE. IMO

Some other professional on NG said that Dylan was last seen at 11:30 and it was taken as a mistake. If one person that we are relying upon can make a mistake, why can't the other?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

And here lies my conflict in what is true and what isn't. I don't think most people think Elaine is lying when she says last activity on Dylan's phone was shortly after 8pm, which coincides with RN's screen shot and LE's original statements and now we hear about this new 9:37 text and a reporter says it was sent via his cell phone. Which is true and which do we believe? Elaine or the reporter?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But they aren't lying IMO. They said that the last communication was at 937 (text) they never said anything more. It was the reporter that said it was a text sent from the phone. Not LE. IMO

Some other professional on NG said that Dylan was last seen at 11:30 and it was taken as a mistake. If one person that we are relying upon can make a mistake, why can't the other?

I'm so with you!

All LE said was ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION DEVICE (TEXTING). I don't think that's a lie. What electronic communication device remains to be seen.

When a reporter earlier stated that it was a sent text many were chalking that up to misquoting or bad reporting.

 

[Lordeebee]

And here lies my conflict in what is true and what isn't. I don't think most people think Elaine is lying when she says last activity on Dylan's phone was shortly after 8pm, which coincides with RN's screen shot and LE's original statements and now we hear about this new 9:37 text and a reporter says it was sent via his cell phone. Which is true and which do we believe? Elaine or the reporter?

Both? :rocker: I still have every reason to believe that Dylan's phone quit working (don't know why but have my theories) shortly after 8pm just as ER said. From there, imo the press release from LE about the 9:37 communication, was only mentioned as just that - an electronic communication. I think the "texting" was added by a reporter because they just assumed that's what LE meant, and the same happened with someone assuming it was from a cell phone. This is just moo but until I hear otherwise directly from LE, this will remain my conviction.

 

[Lordeebee]

Yes, they will lie to a suspect. But they have no reason to lie to the public or to the family.

What if the suspect is a family member??

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I honestly don't believe LE is lying about the 9:37 electronic device communication. I was just wondering why they would release this info. How would that benefit their investigation? There are many other things that surely they know (such as pings) and they are not releasing those details.

So to me there was a 9:37 electronic device communication by what appeared to be Dylan and that is all I know.

 

[asyousay]

I honestly don't believe LE is lying about the 9:37 electronic device communication. I was just wondering why they would release this info. How would that benefit their investigation? There are many other things that surely they know (such as pings) and they are not releasing those details.

So to me there was a 9:37 electronic device communication by what appeared to be Dylan and that is all I know.

But then why would MB lie ?

She clearly states she has double checked and states it was via the phone and it was out going.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But then why would MB lie ?

She clearly states she has double checked and states it was via the phone and it was out going.

I'm not saying she is lying, maybe she's misinformed?

Why would Elaine lie?

Elaine says last cell phone activity shortly after 8pm
MB says last cell phone activity at 9:37pm

 

[azgrandma]

Both? :rocker: I still have every reason to believe that Dylan's phone quit working (don't know why but have my theories) shortly after 8pm just as ER said. From there, imo the press release from LE about the 9:37 communication, was only mentioned as just that - an electronic communication. I think the "texting" was added by a reporter because they just assumed that's what LE meant, and the same happened with someone assuming it was from a cell phone. This is just moo but until I hear otherwise directly from LE, this will remain my conviction.

Dang it Lordeebee, I was typing up the exact same and lost it!

 

[Lordeebee]

I honestly don't believe LE is lying about the 9:37 electronic device communication. I was just wondering why they would release this info. How would that benefit their investigation? There are many other things that surely they know (such as pings) and they are not releasing those details.

So to me there was a 9:37 electronic device communication by what appeared to be Dylan and that is all I know.

BBM

So here's a good question (imo) - has LE ever referred to an "electronic communication device" before? Or did they heretofore refer simply to a cell phone? Why use that explicit term?

 

[scorekeeper]

also MB said somewhere that the press release with the 9:37 communicating device was AFTER she interviewed Elaine.

 

[Eileen730]

But then why would MB lie ?

She clearly states she has double checked and states it was via the phone and it was out going.

Where did she get her info?

 

[azgrandma]

Great link about detecting liars. Funny, my ex always used to (fake) yawn or rub his chin before he would lie. It took me many years to recognize this and even after I told him I could tell when he was lying because he would do this, he couldn't control it and continued to do it. Everything I just read at this link is so true! And I see much of this on MR's interview.

I read that too! It was a great article, especially about the eye movements. I have some interviews tonight to do and I'm using this. There is one person that I don't trust as far as I can pick her up and throw her, but she says she's changed. Her & her husband were big time swindlers, liars, cheats & oppotunist. I doubt she changed. Big clue for me, you can never walk up to her and just touch her (like put your hand on her shoulder to get her attention) she jumps and lets out a little scream. (nothing says guilt more than jumpy nerves)

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm not saying she is lying, maybe she's misinformed?

Why would Elaine lie?

Elaine says last cell phone activity shortly after 8pm
MB says last cell phone activity at 9:37pm

Elaine has every reason to lie if LE tells her that might benefit
finding Dylan and/ or finding the person responsible for his disappearance.

 

[Lordeebee]

Dang it Lordeebee, I was typing up the exact same and lost it!

:great: HA! that time I typed faster than you

 

[SuperMom1995]

9:37 pm message is obviously important. From the timing of it, all other messages at around 8 pm could have been done before MR and DR arrived at the home. But 9:37 pm message, if Dylan send it, would be send from the home because they should have arrived at home by that time.
So, what device was used
Who was the message send to?
What did it say?
I don't understand why LE will not release information in this case. They have been quiet so far but it didn't get them anywhere.

MR could have sent as Dylan...JMO