CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[dlc]

It's not at all odd. Men aren't generally spastic creatures and we tend to internalize our anxiety and grief. This is especially true in rugged, blue collar types. Heck, if he did do something that "no one will ever find out about" I'd expect his behavior to be the opposite of what he displays.

Unless, of course, he is a cold, calculating, Ted Bundy-esque monster worthy of his own episode of Criminal Minds. I don't think anyone could come to that kind of conclusion based on what we have seen and the facts we have without a pure fantasy-driven imagination.

Maybe some. I have lots of male friends and family who would fall into the "rugged blue collar" category. I have seen them through troubles with their kids (fortunately, not this kind of trouble). Their children are their soft spot -- I can't imagine even one of them behaving like this. Internalizing grief is one thing -- kicking back and letting things run their course wouldn't be an option for them. I guess I'm lucky to know some good guys. IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

This may have been said already, but I haven't seen it. If 9:37 was his last electronic device communication, is it possible that he had communication with someone later on the landline or some other non-electronic method? I've just been trying to figure out why it would be worded that way. MOO

I think it's "LE" speak.

It seems LE checked out all accounts/devices Dylan may have used during and prior to his trip to Mark's. I believe they also checked out electronic devices at the Colorado Springs home (from Elaine's interview).

Could it be that the 9:37 communication is as simple as a reply to R's 9:27 text....something like... 'k. c u tomorow'?

I don't understand why it didn't show up on R's or Elaine's documents. Perhaps it did and LE didn't want it mentioned immediately?

 

[dlc]

Sounds to me like she is just trying to set him up for an ambush. If it was about Dylan, she wouldn't be publicizing every little tiff she has with him and just go on the show without him. She knows his version of the events. The damage of publicly accusing him has been done. Move on.

BBM

When has she publicized every little tiff? Do you have any kind of link for this, other than the one where, a week after DR went missing, she said something, and on the MB interview where she said she was angry with MR for losing Dylan? If there's stuff out there that's furthering this perception, I'd really like to see it.

Thank you.

 

[SuperMom1995]

posted by SuperMom1995 in the previous thread:


I majored in sociology/psych, and have spent the past several years studying speech patterns, body language, etc. My next step is completing Mark McClish's Statement Analysis course - amazing stuff - and it's from reading Mr. McClish's work (I asked him to help out on the Keddie murders case, and his work was of immense help) that I've begun to scrutinise exactly what you're saying - the 'senstive' areas in people's statements, their pronoun use, etc. Not an expert (yet) but still, studying McClish's methods has opened my eyes a lot to the way people speak, and what they are -not- saying.

It will probably take me weeks to comb over the transcripts. But right away, I notice MR's use of pronouns when he's asked to make statements regarding what he's say to Dylan when Dylan comes home, and what he'd like to say to Dylan's abductors.

Primarily, MR uses "I" a great deal in relation to his son - and there's also a LOT of both simmering and blatant hostility toward his ex wife throughout the interview.

Yet when asked the above questions, MR switches to primarily using "we". So.. who is "we", kimosabe? Him and.... who? The ex wife who hates his guts and thinks he took their son? There's no unity in this relationship, and none in the matter of Dylan's disappearance - yet, he speaks in terms of "we", not "I".

To me, this seems like "we" is a bit of shield, where "I" might be an uncomfortable pronoun. It's enough to make me think this is, as you say, a "sensitive" area.

This is probably the big sticker-outer for me, right now (BBM and respectfully snipped from the transcript) :

Melissa Blasius:
*snip* Did you have anything whatsoever to do with Dylan’s disappearance?

Mark Redwine:
Absolutely not. I would never do anything to harm that boy. I know they’re looking at me as being involved in some kind of kidnapping scheme, which is one of the reasons why I want them to look closely at me, because the more that they look at me, the more they’re going to realize that I have nothing to do with this. There’s no possible way I would do anything to cause harm or misery to my son.

Melissa Blasius:
Do you have any idea what did happen to him then?

Mark Redwine:
I can only speculate, and…. It’s hard for me to voice my opinion as far as that goes, because I’ll be honest with you, the only thing that matters and the only thing in my mind that should matter to anybody is finding Dylan.
I’m not interested in pointing fingers. I’m not interested in blaming anybody. My only interest is finding Dylan, and I think that once we find Dylan and bring him home, it will bring all the answers to the questions that we don’t have. I could speculate all day long.

I bolded the phrases of interest I intend to come back to at some point ("I would never do anything to harm that boy"- compare this to statements like "I have never had sexual relations with that woman"..) but I think it's enough to say for now that nowhere does MR make the simple statement, "I didn't hurt my son", or "I am not involved in Dylan's disappearance." Instead, there's a lot of deflection and passive aggressive comebacking to Elaine ("I'm not interested in pointing fingers" - this makes no sense at all in the case of possible stranger abduction, it only makes sense in context of MR deflecting from a direct answer by passive aggressively blaming Elaine, or making a comeback to other people's 'finger pointing').

But the loudest sub-text I am seeing in this interview is anger - at Elaine, and very possibly at some dichotomy between the highly idealised relationship with Dylan MR is describing, and a reality in which that intense bond has been degraded -- or maybe doesn't actually exist as MR would like it to, or would like us to believe.

I can't say if this makes him guilty. But I'm eyeballing him, based on the facts I listed in a former post, and now these initial perceptions of his statements.

This is a great analysis. I am going to comment more after work tonight.

 

[SuperMom1995]

I'm late to the game here as I've had personal issues to attend to, but I just read MR's transcript. I hate to drag out the statement analysis stuff again, but what struck me most about the interview was the EXTRA information. The statements of what he did, and then the *because* - the why of it - explaining why he did every little thing. The statement analysis people see that as a red flag b/c people restating facts that are true don't feel the need to explain, justify, etc. It's people who are creating stories who need to give background to convince others that it's plausible, b/c it doesn't sound plausible to the person saying it.
When he started all that explaining it was around the movie Sunday night. He was pacing the floor. and all these umms, you knows, and all these explanations of what and why. That's a timeframe that needs to be clarified more.

The other thing was, when MB asked MR if he felt guilt, he said something like - especially when I think of him lying on the couch and I didn't try harder to wake him. That hit me b.c all along it's been a bit chilling to me when I hear how DR was "out like a light" on the couch in the AM. and that's the part MR feels guilt about. I just don't think DR was simply asleep on the couch that morning.

I think there's a lot in that interview to take note of, and thanks to whomever transcribed it. This is just what struck me initially.

YES, very good points!!!! I have been thinking the same.

 

[dlc]

MR says he tried to contact Dylan all morning and got nothing. Why would that be? But there was a cereal bowl and the TV was on, all his stuff was gone. It makes no sense. MR sounds as if he is justifying everything he says.

BBM


Which you think would have made him more concerned when he got home. Not only was Dylan not home as expected, but he hadn't been able to get in touch with him all morning?

IMO

 

[Kamille]

Elaine and Cory have both said something about Mark not seeing Dylan much the last couple of years, even though everyone was living in the same county. I know Dylan was at Mark's over Labor Day.

I understand parents have to work but having children and spending time with them have to also become a priority.

Mark never said....I work out of town a lot and I only get home every 4-6 weeks but I made sure the weekends home are spent with Dylan....not even, I really enjoyed watching Dylan play baseball this past year....not even, sometimes I only got to see Dylan for a day when I got back this way from working out of town.....

Nope, he talked about the trips to baseball and nascar venues and I am glad they did their roadtrips.

The real problems started when Elaine moved away with MH and the courts made their ruling.....now Mark had to do a real visitation schedule and stick with it but within the first 24 hours of the first court-ordered visit Dylan vanished.

And what type of papers did Mark go to his attorney about, perhaps dates for other visits?....this could be a clue, maybe not.

I know men like Mark. Nothing is ever their fault, especially if they have an ex-wife to blame. And they blame without coming right out and saying it....but it's obvious to those that know Mark and others that have been through a relationship with someone like Mark.

Yep, I believe he "dazzled" with bull**** during his interview.

And if LE believes Dylan was abducted, they sure haven't done a real good job of informing the people they serve.

JMO/MOO

When looking at the situation prior to ER deciding to take the job in CS it seems to me that MR liked things the way they were. He had joint custody but ER had never held him to that. I suppose technically she could have insisted that he take his 50 percent and be available to take Dylan 3 or four days every week. He stated that the school bus came right to his home in Vallecito. But that wasn't the way things were. MR had complete freedom to do as he pleased and see his son when he pleased. And she really could have applied for sole custody years ago to hold him to his responsibility but ER didn't do this. Apparently she was fine with MR doing his own thing, going out of town for weeks on end and only seeing Dylan when it was convenient for him. Pretty much just for the "road trips" he occasionally took Dylan on and maybe occasionally when he had to come into town to hand in payroll paperwork or check on his homes. Since it doesn't appear that MR has much of a life in Vallecito or Bayfield, I suspect that he's established more of a life in whatever area it is that he constantly travels to for "work". He can't be staying in motels for weeks on end can he? And he's gone once again to parts unknown for "work" and was unable to attend the birthday vigil.

So after ER made the move and retained sole custody, MR was now required to make the effort to see Dylan and apparently pay for airfare or drive long distances to see him. I think that would have been better accomodated by MR travelling to Castlerock to his brother's house and spending time with Dylan there but MR has a residence in Vallecito and another home in Bayfield, as well as his employer's office in Durango that he also has to go to periodically so I suppose it was all getting rather convoluted. And I don't suppose he was happy about that at all. His easy life had just had a wrench thrown into it and I can only imagine whom he was blaming for that.

I also found it interesting that MR stated that they were considering driving to Castlerock for Thanksgiving because that was something that Dylan mentioned that he'd like to do. Really? How close was Dylan to his uncle that he would mention that he'd like to drive six hours to see him for Thanksgiving? Or was it more of a discussion about how Dylan would like to be home in Colorado Springs for Thanksgiving and perhaps MR was mulling over the possiblility of visiting his brother if he had to make this drive. What were the plans for Dylan's return to Colorado Springs? Was there a plane ticket already purchased? I guess I'm wondering what it was that MR and Dylan really did talk about during the long ride to Walmart, McDonald's drive thru and then home. Because he doesn't seem to indicate that they had much to say to each other once they arrived home.

They watched a movie, well he only sort of watched because he doesn't concentrate on 2hr movies, only 30 minute sitcoms, and paced around and fixed things up at the kitchen table and went to bed, and Dylan spent his time on his phone, Ipod, whatever. Covers up why he probably couldn't recall any exact movie information. Interesting how originally Dylan was really tired and went to sleep on the couch early because he had stayed up until 4am the night before but in this latest interview he was still up when MR went to bed. Maybe watching Nickleodeon...at night...where there may have been more appropriate shows on for a 13yr old boy to want to watch rather than the children's programming in the morning. The changes in his stories are subtle, but they are all geared towards covering up the obvious discrepancies that are being pointed out here and other places on the net IMO.

He's definitely a sly one IMO.

MOO

 

[The Cheese]

Can somebody help me? I'm trying to track down more info on Mark's PI. According to his facebook, he's in Manitou Springs, CO. His company is Rocky Mountain Investigations, and I can't find any info on it.
https://www.facebook.com/oopsicrapedmypants?fref=ts

I hate to even say what I do keep finding. The only Michael Olson I can find in Manitou Springs, in 2007, was a "private investigator turned ghost hunter" with a paranormal investigating agency.

How can I find more info on Rocky Mountain Investigations? When it was established etc? I'm coming up empty.

Some of the ghost hunting stuff -

Ghost hunting in Manitou Springs
Paranormal investigators are looking into reports of strange activity in several Manitou Springs businesses. Mike Olson is a local Private Investigator turned Ghost Hunter.
http://paranormal.about.com/od/paranormalgeneralinfo/a/news_070828n.htm

Article no longer online -

http://fox21news.com/Global/story.asp?S=6991137
Ghost Hunting In Manitou Springs
Reported by: Grace Polanski
[email protected]
Aired 8-27-07

http://www.sdparanormal.com/articles/article/1961531/85923.htm

 

[dlc]

discussion of that facebook page is a :nono:

Is there any source that we could get that information from that would be considered acceptable? It seems important.

Thank you.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

When looking at the situation prior to ER deciding to take the job in CS it seems to me that MR liked things the way they were. He had joint custody but ER had never held him to that. I suppose technically she could have insisted that he take his 50 percent and be available to take Dylan 3 or four days every week. He stated that the school bus came right to his home in Vallecito. But that wasn't the way things were. MR had complete freedom to do as he pleased and see his son when he pleased. And she really could have applied for sole custody years ago to hold him to his responsibility but ER didn't do this. Apparently she was fine with MR doing his own thing, going out of town for weeks on end and only seeing Dylan when it was convenient for him. Pretty much just for the "road trips" he occasionally took Dylan on and maybe occasionally when he had to come into town to hand in payroll paperwork or check on his homes. Since it doesn't appear that MR has much of a life in Vallecito or Bayfield, I suspect that he's established more of a life in whatever area it is that he constantly travels to for "work". He can't be staying in motels for weeks on end can he? And he's gone once again to parts unknown for "work" and was unable to attend the birthday vigil.

So after ER made the move and retained sole custody, MR was now required to make the effort to see Dylan and apparently pay for airfare or drive long distances to see him. I think that would have been better accomodated by MR travelling to Castlerock to his brother's house and spending time with Dylan there but MR has a residence in Vallecito and another home in Bayfield, as well as his employer's office in Durango that he also has to go to periodically so I suppose it was all getting rather convoluted. And I don't suppose he was happy about that at all. His easy life had just had a wrench thrown into it and I can only imagine whom he was blaming for that.

I also found it interesting that MR stated that they were considering driving to Castlerock for Thanksgiving because that was something that Dylan mentioned that he'd like to do. Really? How close was Dylan to his uncle that he would mention that he'd like to drive six hours to see him for Thanksgiving? Or was it more of a discussion about how Dylan would like to be home in Colorado Springs for Thanksgiving and perhaps MR was mulling over the possiblility of visiting his brother if he had to make this drive. What were the plans for Dylan's return to Colorado Springs? Was there a plane ticket already purchased? I guess I'm wondering what it was that MR and Dylan really did talk about during the long ride to Walmart, McDonald's drive thru and then home. Because he doesn't seem to indicate that they had much to say to each other once they arrived home.

They watched a movie, well he only sort of watched because he doesn't concentrate on 2hr movies, only 30 minute sitcoms, and paced around and fixed things up at the kitchen table and went to bed, and Dylan spent his time on his phone, Ipod, whatever. Covers up why he probably couldn't recall any exact movie information. Interesting how originally Dylan was really tired and went to sleep on the couch early because he had stayed up until 4am the night before but in this latest interview he was still up when MR went to bed. Maybe watching Nickleodeon...at night...where there may have been more appropriate shows on for a 13yr old boy to want to watch rather than the children's programming in the morning. The changes in his stories are subtle, but they are all geared towards covering up the obvious discrepancies that are being pointed out here and other places on the net IMO.

He's definitely a sly one IMO.

MOO

Jumping off your post. If they had joint 50/50 custody prior to Elaine moving to CS would MR have to pay any child support?

 

[SuperMom1995]

oh, that's what bugged me too. that seems like a pretty lackadaisical attitude to me coming from the parent of a missing child. offering respect to LE is one thing, and gratitude, but pushing them to try harder seems more the norm then sitting back and letting them do (or not do) what they should be doing.

MR is really laid back and nonchalant. he does not seem worried - about his son or about his guilt (if he has any). It's extremely odd. extremely odd. it's very confusing to me. He has to either know DR is safe, or know he's done something that no one will ever find out about.

oh - and the part about DR being there at MR's for such a short time. a week is not really that short. I guess if he spends 1/2 of it at friends' it's short. But 12 hours is certainly short. So only buying snacks to get through a day or two and not getting anything for T'day or the rest of the week is telling to me. I was worried that was the case and it does not bode well to me. b/c in the same breath he talks about how when you go to Durango, you make sure you get everything you need - you think about it - b.c you don't want to go back again the next day.

and the last thing: MR says he has absolutely every reason to believe DR was still wearing what he had on Sunday night. That's really quite certain.

All of that has really BUGGED me too! I have tried not to go there about the lack of groceries because I know a lot of people shop on the fly but added to everything else, it does not look good. And yes, if he didn't see him leave so how the *&^^ does he know what he is wearing? Speaking of how lacsidaisical he acts, that is something LE looks at, like in 911 calls where a parent is too calm and polite...

 

[SuperMom1995]

I would like ER to be able to ask MR the questions she has for him and to have him held accountable for answering them.

I wonder what she thinks of his statements...

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Can somebody help me? I'm trying to track down more info on Mark's PI. According to his facebook, he's in Manitou Springs, CO. His company is Rocky Mountain Investigations, and I can't find any info on it.
https://www.facebook.com/oopsicrapedmypants?fref=ts

I hate to even say what I do keep finding. The only Michael Olson I can find in Manitou Springs, in 2007, was a "private investigator turned ghost hunter" with a paranormal investigating agency.

How can I find more info on Rocky Mountain Investigations? When it was established etc? I'm coming up empty.

Some of the ghost hunting stuff -




Ghost hunting in Manitou Springs
Paranormal investigators are looking into reports of strange activity in several Manitou Springs businesses. Mike Olson is a local Private Investigator turned Ghost Hunter.
http://paranormal.about.com/od/paranormalgeneralinfo/a/news_070828n.htm

Article no longer online -

http://fox21news.com/Global/story.asp?S=6991137
Ghost Hunting In Manitou Springs
Reported by: Grace Polanski
[email protected]
Aired 8-27-07

http://www.sdparanormal.com/articles/article/1961531/85923.htm

Who is Michael Olson? The only name I saw connected to Rocky Mountain Investigations is Tracy Kostecki.

Hundreds of volunteers have given their time to search for the missing 13-year-old.
Tracy Kostecki is now one of them.
She is a private investigator with Colorado Springs based Rocky Mountain Investigations.

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/...-Join-Search-for-Dylan-Redwine-189951501.html

 

[rebeccaeee]

Can somebody help me? I'm trying to track down more info on Mark's PI. According to his facebook, he's in Manitou Springs, CO. His company is Rocky Mountain Investigations, and I can't find any info on it.
https://www.facebook.com/oopsicrapedmypants?fref=ts

I hate to even say what I do keep finding. The only Michael Olson I can find in Manitou Springs, in 2007, was a "private investigator turned ghost hunter" with a paranormal investigating agency.

How can I find more info on Rocky Mountain Investigations? When it was established etc? I'm coming up empty.
<snip>

Per the Colorado Secretary of state business license search portal, Olson got his business license on 1/5/13. Good for one year. Many Rocky Mountain Investiagtions prior to that but this is the only one attached to Olson.

ETA; Well, he attached himself to this business name as a PI. Not sure about licensing, etc but this is his official statement to Colorado that he is working as a private investigator under the name Rocky Mountain Investigations.

http://www.sos.state.co.us/

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Is there any source that we could get that information from that would be considered acceptable? It seems important.

Thank you.

The only sources that I can think of that would know this would be MR, ER, Dylan or the courts, because it was provided to them by the aboved mentioned.

 

[asyousay]

BBM


Which you think would have made him more concerned when he got home. Not only was Dylan not home as expected, but he hadn't been able to get in touch with him all morning?

IMO

True , but he decided nap time was more important than knowing his sons location !

 

[The Cheese]

Who is Michael Olson? The only name I saw connected to Rocky Mountain Investigations is Tracy Kostecki.


http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/...-Join-Search-for-Dylan-Redwine-189951501.html

We first found out about him from his posts on the official FMDR page. I clicked on his name there to go to his facebook, and he has posts about Dylan and how Mark authorized him to work on Dylan's case, and he specifies Rocky Mountain Investigations as his agency.

Tracy is on his facebook posting and there's a post about her working for MO.

 

[deoneta]

I don't know if it's in any way pertinent, but since I looked it up, I will share. That Sunday evening, the movie Aquamarine was on Nick from 8:30 PM to 11 PM. If Dylan switched over to Nick after the DVD, he would have been watching the last thirty minutes of the film. Aquamarine was followed by three episodes of syndicated Friends.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I don't know how child support works in CO, but here if the parents have 50/50 custody nobody pays child support because each parent has the child 50% of the time. So if Elaine moved to CS then filed for sole custody and set up arranged visitation with MR I would assume that would mean MR would have to start paying her child support. They usually determine that amount based on how much time each parent has the child.

 

[rebeccaeee]

We first found out about him from his posts on the official FMDR page. I clicked on his name there to go to his facebook, and he has posts about Dylan and how Mark authorized him to work on Dylan's case, and he specifies Rocky Mountain Investigations as his agency.

Tracy is on his facebook posting and there's a post about her working for MO.

http://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...t_fth=713f4dd086611523&_ft_time_ft=1326790945

He seems to be on a PR blitz since January. He's advertising classes in investigative techniques and promoting himself heavily on media (radio/tv) FB pages in the Co. Springs area.