CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[Seajay]

http://www.gazette.com/articles/monument-150724-birthday-dylan.html

Elaine Redwine said she and her older son have been pleading with Dylan’s father.

“Dr. Phil is offering to put us on this Wednesday,” she said, referring to daytime talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw.

“I would love for (Mark Redwine) to join us,” she said. “It’s very important that we get this information about Dylan out there. As I’ve said all along, this is only about finding Dylan, and we need to work together as a team to do this.”

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/monument-150724-birthday-dylan.html#ixzz2KGDg6ABg

I get really confused about all this "we need to work together" stuff coming from them. MR was quoted as having said that in the very beginning and I guess it didn't happen. Now ER is asking for the same thing.

I am still thinking that the only reason this is being put out there is because Dr. Phil wants all three of them on the show or none of them. So now she wants to play nice. Sorry for the way I phrase things, I get told all the time I "tell it like it is" and that I'm "brutally honest." I know there is a nicer way to put this but it's not in my chemical make up. I don't mean to sound harsh or critical, but my thoughts don't translate well to my fingers.

 

[SCHMAE]

agreed. More dr phil drama with offer from mh on fmdr just posted -

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...555396767820264.144727.555378941155380&type=1

in fact, this kind of stuff *guarantees* that the person won't do what you want them to do. When people act like this, it makes it 100% certain to me that they don't want what they say they want.

jinx !

 

[nursebeeme]

It's never too late. I'm curious about all the discrepancies between the two video's and I'd like to see LE clarify the last electronic communication (texting). MB says "sent from cell phone" but I'm not exactly convinced she isn't just assuming this.
MOO

I am actually very interested in Mark's cell records and his pings (and if they match up with what he has been saying)

 

[asyousay]

So it Mark does not agree to go on Dr Phil then it won't happen ?

 

[Dee10]

I have to agree with Tonto, there is no way MR will go on Dr. Phil. We just disagree with the reason why.:angel:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Dr Phil is amazing!

 

[dlc]

Not going to happen. At this point, she has essentially accused him of doing something to their son. As a single man myself, if my ex publically did that to me I wouldn't communicate with her either. I would do my thing and try to find my son in my own way. If she wanted to continue to indict me in the media, then that's her thing and she's welcome to it. But it's not finding my son.

I've tried very hard to understand this, and I just don't get it. I know it's not a male thing, because my closest friends are men. And I know it's not a socioeconomic thing, because they run the board from farm hand, former bookie (shhhh) to professor and lawyer.

I guess I must be more fortunate in this life than I realize. I know tons of people who've had messy divorces -- I could tell you things that would curl your hair. But I don't know anyone, mother or father, who wouldn't literally sacrifice themselves for their kids. Never mind this juvenile (paraphrasing here) "a week after I lost our son she said something mean about me stuff."

It is your CHILD.

It makes me sad and it makes me angry. Poor kids.


JMO

 

[The Cheese]

A bruised ego? If my ex publically accused me of doing something to my kid, organized a mob outside of my house, and then had the nerve to try to shame me into appearing on a confrontational television show, I'd tell her to go jump in the deepest hole. There is nothing good that could come out of that. Especially for my kid - where my focus would be.

Exactly. It's a set up. You say "I want X to do a certain thing." Then you harass the holy living Bejesus out X, all the while knowing that nobody is going to do what you want if you harass the holy hell out of them, shaming and insulting them publicly. The pay off for the person doing it is afterwards saying with pretend innocence "I asked him to but he wouldn't. I don't know why. He's just a bad person I guess."

I've seen people do this to others on a much smaller scale of course. This is at the trailer park smack down mega circus level. It's disgusting.

As always, my opinion. :twocents:

 

[Eileen730]

IIRC though...in the interview he sort of intimated that he had rearranged the furniture:

You know, in one place he might be he can’t get service and then he could take a step to the left or a step to the right and voila all of a sudden he has service, and the two places he told me he could get service was from the corner of the couch where he was sitting, which has been changed, but right by the TV there, and my room.

And as he was saying these things the TV reporter's phone rings!
hello!

 

[Seajay]

I am actually very interested in Mark's cell records and his pings (and if they match up with what he has been saying)

IA, I've said this all along. This will either prove of disprove very easily what he's been saying. And for LE those records should have been easily obtained.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Exactly. It's a set up. You say "I want X to do a certain thing." Then you harass the holy living Bejesus out X, all the while knowing that nobody is going to do what you want if you harass the holy hell out of them, shaming and insulting them publicly. The pay off for the person doing it is afterwards saying with pretend innocence "I asked him to but he wouldn't. I don't know why. He's just a bad person I guess."

I've seen people do this to others on a much smaller scale of course. This is at the trailer park smack down mega circus level. It's disgusting.

As always, my opinion. :twocents:

Where is all this harrassment, shame, public humiliation, insults? Got a link?
JMO

 

[The Cheese]

Where is all this harrassment, shame, public humiliation, insults? Got a link?
JMO

Already linked. Scroll up.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

So it Mark does not agree to go on Dr Phil then it won't happen ?

Don't know? He might still do it and just watch MR's raw video and comment on it. I know Dr Phil would probably ask MR to take a polygraph if he goes on the show. Dr Phil knows his psychology and is brilliant on determining if someone is being truthful IMO and I would love to hear his take on all of this.

 

[MrsPC]

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/local/central/nm-k-9-group-to-help-search-for-teen

A spokesperson for the La Plata County sheriff's office says he was unaware of the K-9 group's offer for help.

? and this article was published today

 

[dlc]

Exactly. It's a set up. You say "I want X to do a certain thing." Then you harass the holy living Bejesus out X, all the while knowing that nobody is going to do what you want if you harass the holy hell out of them, shaming and insulting them publicly. The pay off for the person doing it is afterwards saying with pretend innocence "I asked him to but he wouldn't. I don't know why. He's just a bad person I guess."

I've seen people do this to others on a much smaller scale of course. This is at the trailer park smack down mega circus level. It's disgusting.

As always, my opinion. :twocents:

But why won't he go on the show (confession: I don't own a TV and I've never seen the show, but from what I can gather, it's tamer than some of the other ones, right)? If he's being truthful, what a great chance, and possibly the last great chance, to get national media attention for your son.

He could just go on, say that yeah, they had a hell of a divorce, and get on with it. If he's as nice as he says he is, and his hands are as clean as he says they are, why not?

 

[asyousay]

Basically Mark needs to agree to Dr Phil as it will bring in much needed exposure .

Mark needs to do this for his son and as he said in a interview recently . It's all about him and Dylan and he puts him first . Well it's time to stand up and be a true dad !

:cow:

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thanks! I've actually been here for a while - came for Morgan Ingram and stayed when Dylan disappeared. I'm in Colorado and the news this last year has been so ugly, I'm kind of done with people killing kids, you know? It needs to stop! But then we had more killed yesterday

Kevin Torres mentioned Highway 17 on his Twitter this week - the highway with the most UFO sightings!

All the rest of this post is JMO:

Back to serious, I have chosen to believe Mark Redwine. And once I did that, it became more apparent to me that Dylan was probably taken by an acquaintance who was able to lure him into his vehicle and convince him to hand over his phone that Monday morning.

I think all investigators right now should be looking at who Dylan knew in the Vallecito area, doesn't even have to be anyone the parents knew, since "Dylan never knew a stranger." It is possible that PIs will have some success with that.

I think it is unlikely that the dogs will be successful, simply because without a warrant I don't know what they could search. Maybe folks will give permission, but if they don't?

I think Elaine and friends are probably a little naive about technology - I would have checked the phone records FIRST, probably before even getting in the car to drive from Monument.

Glad you chose to stick around as that Toni Ingram debacle she's created is quite a doozy and I know for certain has run more than one off from posting..lol

Regarding Elaine and friends being naive when it comes to technology, while that may be true(I just personally have not seen anything to make me believe one way or the other how tech savvy they are) I must however disagree that Elaine's checking Dylan's cell phone records are any indication of naive or savvy..

First, how do we know that Elaine DID NOT immediately check Dylan's cell records before heading to Vallecito upon hearing he was missing,??..moo is that it would have served zero purpose of in any way aiding her in that very moment in time..but truth is she very well could have immediately checked them as you mention above..

We certainly know for fact that she had quite early on at some point pulled her son's cell phone records and saw that his last OUTGOING communication was a TEXT MESSAGE sent shortly after 8pm the night prior(Sunday, 11/18) to his being reported missing by dad.. We also know that at no point thereafter did anyone ever have any contact/communication with Dylan again(except of course Mark Redwine)..never..ever..again...<<-- How do we know this?..because Elaine from the start was very open and forthcoming with those details as they pertain to Dylan.

So, in going by what we know I just honestly do not at all see how Elaine is naive re:technology.. I mean she knew how to go about getting access to her son's cell phone records to determine that according to his cell phone records he'd not had any OUTGOING communication(no sent texts or phone calls) from his phone since shortly after 8pm Sunday, 11/18.. and the time in which she did so just may have been as early as you above suggested(before ever even leaving CCity to head to Vallecito on the afternoon of Monday, 11/19)..

Either way I do wonder what it is that in your opinion was so urgent to have been discovered on those records??.. I mean she learned from Mark Redwine late afternoon of Monday 11/19 that Dylan was missing..and by that time it'd nearly been 24hrs since Dylan had last sent or had any outgoing communication from his phone.. Im just not understanding how that would have made a difference??.. and again there is nothing at all indicating that Elaine did NOT immediately check Dylan's records on the afternoon/evening of 11/19..IMO it absolutely was established extremely early on by all involved(family, LE) that Dylan Redwine had ceased sending texts or making calls from his cell phone shortly after 8pm..

And IMO that key piece of information is just as important now as it was the day it was determined and released publicly.. IMO Dylan ceased to exist shortly thereafter those few minutes after 8pm point in time when he PERMANENTLY ceased outgoing communication from his cell..JMO!

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I wonder if Mark would go on Dr Phil alone? Dr Phil has a degree in Psychology. He is no where near a Nancy Grace. He is intelligent and articulate and reads people very well and does a classy talk show.

 

[Eileen730]

Don't know? He might still do it and just watch MR's raw video and comment on it. I know Dr Phil would probably ask MR to take a polygraph if he goes on the show. Dr Phil knows his psychology and is brilliant on determining if someone is being truthful IMO and I would love to hear his take on all of this.

He is very big on guests and Polygraphs.

 

[jjenny]

What is DR Phil ?

Doctor Phil. He has a TV show.
:floorlaugh: