CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[katydid23]

That isn't exactly true. In her uncut interview, Elaine said that she had tried texting Dylan later Sunday and on Monday, but she assumed he hadn't responded because he was having fun with his friends. That's pretty much the same thing Mark said about it. Since he knew how much Dylan wanted to see his friends, why would it be so unbelievable that he might think he had just called and gotten a different ride over there? MOO

It's not the same thing at all, imo. Elaine assumed he was having fun with his friends because she assumed that her ex had made certain he was safely dropped off with them. If she had known that MR left at 7:30 and never heard another peep from him, had no clue where he was or what he was doing, but just took a nap and decided to check on him later----she would have flipped.

:furious: No wonder she is still angry.

 

[katydid23]

In your opinion. I know many 13-14 year-olds who may be well intentioned, but they aren't always conscientious when it comes to things like responding to texts, leaving notes, etc. Maybe Dylan would have sent him a text to let him know, but MR doesn't seem to believe it's unthinkable that he might forget. MOO

I still don't get that. Mark said he promised D he was coming back for him and D agreed and understood.

So Mark calls/texts his son a few times that morning--and gets no response.

He comes home to an empty cabin- with everything gone. And no note, no message, nothing explaining where he went.

Mark texts him--again, no reply.

He doesn't think it is odd that D left with no explanation? He knew his Dad was coming back to pick him up.

I think a halfway responsible father would have immediately driven to the friends in Vallecito, and then to Bayfield, if necessary. Taking a nap in response, was irresponsible and baffling, imo.

 

[cluciano63]

Regardless of what one may think about either parent;

Does anyone honestly believe, setting aside all hope, wishes, dreams put of good outcome & etc. that this is a case of a child being hidden as some sort of power play, revenge, personal battle or whatever, and that somehow he will be eventually returned home unharmed?

To believe that, at this late date,IMO, gives very little credit to LE, to imagine that they could not, with their resources, identify any such person close to a family member who is also missing and has been since November 19.

I am trying to imagine an actual scenario where this could be happening. Neither of these parents appear to be criminal masterminds, IMO, and since no one knew whether or not Dylan would even be coming in November for very long before it happened, the guilty party would have had to be in touch with the "holder" once the trip was planned,IMO. Surely with all of the talk and accusations about Dylan being "held", all of this has been checked very carefully.

It just seems very unlikely, almost impossible, IMO.

 

[asyousay]

Regardless of what one may think about either parent;

Does anyone honestly believe, setting aside all hope, wishes, dreams put of good outcome & etc. that this is a case of a child being hidden as some sort of power play, revenge, personal battle or whatever, and that somehow he will be eventually returned home unharmed?

To believe that, at this late date,IMO, gives very little credit to LE, to imagine that they could not, with their resources, identify any such person close to a family member who is also missing and has been since November 19.

I am trying to imagine an actual scenario where this could be happening. Neither of these parents appear to be criminal masterminds, IMO, and since no one knew whether or not Dylan would even be coming in November for very long before it happened, the guilty party would have had to be in touch with the "holder" once the trip was planned,IMO. Surely with all of the talk and accusations about Dylan being "held", all of this has been checked very carefully.

It just seems very unlikely, almost impossible, IMO.

I think Elaine wants to believe this with all her heart as it means Dylan is alive. It is very unrealistic but i can understand her motives for thinking this as all she wants is her son home .

I dont believe for a second Mark believes Elaine is behind as its just impossible :cow: - its just him trying to shift the blame from himself .

 

[Seajay]

I was thinking about my son at 13. If I left for errands while he was asleep and I expected him to be home when I got back, I wouldn't be alarmed to start with. If I was waiting for him to get back and I was tired and fell asleep, I would expect him to be here when I woke up. But I still wouldn't be alarmed if he wasn't. I'd start going to his friends house, first David's, then Brian's, then Bobby's, then AC's, then Tony's. I'd ask at each place if they'd seen my son. If they said no, about this time is when I'd start getting alarmed. In fact, I'd turn internally to jelly. All of a sudden I would be petrified. I would swear when I got my hands on that kid, he'd regret not leaving me a note.

If I had to go to the police department or call them, I'd be in hysterics by that time.

But I do think it would take me awhile before I felt alarmed. I'd just think he was out and about, visiting with his buddies. And I'd wish like heck I'd woken him up and made him go with me, or not left the house at all. I think these are all natural reactions. IMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[Confusion]

Regardless of what one may think about either parent;

Does anyone honestly believe, setting aside all hope, wishes, dreams put of good outcome & etc. that this is a case of a child being hidden as some sort of power play, revenge, personal battle or whatever, and that somehow he will be eventually returned home unharmed?

To believe that, at this late date,IMO, gives very little credit to LE, to imagine that they could not, with their resources, identify any such person close to a family member who is also missing and has been since November 19.

I am trying to imagine an actual scenario where this could be happening. Neither of these parents appear to be criminal masterminds, IMO, and since no one knew whether or not Dylan would even be coming in November for very long before it happened, the guilty party would have had to be in touch with the "holder" once the trip was planned,IMO. Surely with all of the talk and accusations about Dylan being "held", all of this has been checked very carefully.

It just seems very unlikely, almost impossible, IMO.

I still think it's possible, but not for the reasons you listed, and not by one of the parents/family. If it is the case, I have no idea what the final outcome was that the person expected, but I don't think this was it. That's as much as I'll say about it. MOO and all that stuff.

 

[katydid23]

I was thinking about my son at 13. If I left for errands while he was asleep and I expected him to be home when I got back, I wouldn't be alarmed to start with. If I was waiting for him to get back and I was tired and fell asleep, I would expect him to be here when I woke up. But I still wouldn't be alarmed if he wasn't. I'd start going to his friends house, first David's, then Brian's, then Bobby's, then AC's, then Tony's. I'd ask at each place if they'd seen my son. If they said no, about this time is when I'd start getting alarmed. In fact, I'd turn internally to jelly. All of a sudden I would be petrified. I would swear when I got my hands on that kid, he'd regret not leaving me a note.

If I had to go to the police department or call them, I'd be in hysterics by that time.

But I do think it would take me awhile before I felt alarmed. I'd just think he was out and about, visiting with his buddies. And I'd wish like heck I'd woken him up and made him go with me, or not left the house at all. I think these are all natural reactions. IMO, JMO, MOO.

Mine weren't allowed to leave without permission. They had to call me first. Occasionally they would leave but there would be a note of explanation.

If I came back, and we had made plans [ as MR and D had done] ---and there was no note or message I would be a combo of scared/angry.

I would NOT lay down and take a 3 hour nap.

 

[asyousay]

I am a girl so i think girls do generally get treated differently than boys (in my family and my school and so forth) - at 13 i was a lot more restricted in what i was allowed to do then the boys. They seemed to have more freedom .

But even so i am amazed that Mark could go to sleep and not have any concerns about the son he had arranged to meet at home and the son he could not get hold of. For all he knew Dylan could of been hurt somewhere .

 

[Eileen730]

I still don't get that. Mark said he promised D he was coming back for him and D agreed and understood.

So Mark calls/texts his son a few times that morning--and gets no response.

He comes home to an empty cabin- with everything gone. And no note, no message, nothing explaining where he went.

Mark texts him--again, no reply.

He doesn't think it is odd that D left with no explanation? He knew his Dad was coming back to pick him up.

I think a halfway responsible father would have immediately driven to the friends in Vallecito, and then to Bayfield, if necessary. Taking a nap in response, was irresponsible and baffling, imo.

I find Dylan saying I understand a bit strange. but thats just me and thats not something my boys would say. They would say Okkkk mom i want to sleep or Ill go when you come back or let me sleep! Not I understand.

 

[Eileen730]

I am a girl so i think girls do generally get treated differently than boys (in my family and my school and so forth) - at 13 i was a lot more restricted in what i was allowed to do then the boys. They seemed to have more freedom .

But even so i am amazed that Mark could go to sleep and not have any concerns about the son he had arranged to meet at home and the son he could not get hold of. For all he knew Dylan could of been hurt somewhere .

And they are 18 miles from Bayfield!
His bike is out front.

 

[Seajay]

I just don't believe that Mark could have pulled off the perfect disappearance of his child. Not and still been in town, and not leaving any kind of physical evidence around.

Do you know how hard and impossible that would have to be? Enron if he planned it in advance, he wouldn't have been able to control Dyan's texting and the electronic pings of his and Dylan's phones. Or take a chance that random people or cameras wouldn't have caught him in the act.

And NO forensic evidence of a crime whatsoever. Professional criminals aren't always that good, that's why they get caught. There would need to be some kind of slip up or indicator left someplace. IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[findDylan]

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com...xis-young-9-wants-raise-awareness-raise-funds

Sweet article about a 9 year old girl who wants to raise $300.00 for Dylan's search fund.

 

[asyousay]

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com...xis-young-9-wants-raise-awareness-raise-funds

Sweet article about a 9 year old girl who wants to raise $300.00 for Dylan's search fund.

Very sweet

 

[Eileen730]

I just don't believe that Mark could have pulled off the perfect disappearance of his child. Not and still been in town, and not leaving any kind of physical evidence around.

Do you know how hard and impossible that would have to be? Enron if he planned it in advance, he wouldn't have been able to control Dyan's texting and the electronic pings of his and Dylan's phones. Or take a chance that random people or cameras wouldn't have caught him in the act.

And NO forensic evidence of a crime whatsoever. Professional criminals aren't always that good, that's why they get caught. There would need to be some kind of slip up or indicator left someplace. IMO, JMO, MOO

Why do you find it hard to believe?
Look at Kyron Hormon
Haleigh cummings
Haley Dunn
the list is too long to name them all
Look at all the wives that disappear and are never found.

No evidence found because whatever happend probably didnt happen there!

I still believe Dylan is in that lake.


JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Even if it was about money, why on God's green earth would he (MH) make that offer and do it on a FB page. It's tacky and quite disgusting.

Well why on earth didnt Mark R tell Elaine he was in contact with the DR Phil Show and consented to do it.... He is not communicating with the family and I think hes doing it on purpose to make Elaine and cory look bad. MH it seems to think it was money that was holing him back. Was that his excuse?
He did it on FB because MR wont talk to them maybe! They know he reads there. He wanted to wait 3 weeks, dylan is missing he cant wait 3 weeks.

Hes a master Manipulator as I see it and If it was me id sever all ties with him and let LE deal with . My son is gone and he is not of any use getting him back so he is Dead to me tooo!

all JMO

 

[asyousay]

Well why on earth didnt Mark R tell Elaine he was in contact with the DR Phil Show and consented to do it.... He is not communicating with the family and I think hes doing it on purpose to make Elaine and cory look bad. MH it seems to think it was money that was holing him back. Was that his excuse?
He did it on FB because MR wont talk to them maybe! They know he reads there. He wanted to wait 3 weeks, dylan is missing he cant wait 3 weeks.

Hes a master Manipulator as I see it and If it was me id sever all ties with him and let LE deal with . My son is gone and he is not of any use getting him back so he is Dead to me tooo!

all JMO

Bingo

This is why they have called him out. He keeps pretending like he is doing his best and he is doing this and that to help when clearly he is not .

So call him out and watch him crawl back under his rock. Mike Hall has even called his bluff and is willing to contact his work and pay his missed wages . He then has no excuses on why he cant do this but he still wont as he has something to hide :cow:


For all Mark knows 3 weeks could be the difference between life and death for Dylan . The fact he wants to do it in 3 weeks is beyond a joke.

 

[azgrandma]

Not going to happen. At this point, she has essentially accused him of doing something to their son. As a single man myself, if my ex publically did that to me I wouldn't communicate with her either. I would do my thing and try to find my son in my own way. If she wanted to continue to indict me in the media, then that's her thing and she's welcome to it. But it's not finding my son.

Just catching up so my apologies if this has been discussed to death.

MR said he wanted to set up a talk w/ER through a mediator. So IMO he has determined that he does want to communicate with her. I believe now the arguement is going to be when & how that will take place.
IMO - a mediator that MR has discussed getting around the 26th of Jan. could have already taken place and this wouldn't even be necessary.

 

[azgrandma]

IMO - MR & ER need to stand in front of a mirror and each ask themselves, has my behavior during this terrible time been appropriate and the kind of behavior that would make my children proud? Am I doing what needs to be done to find my missing son? Is my behavior condusive to finding my son? When this is over, however it is over, will I still have dignity and respect for myself?

I believe that there are times when you can understand the reason someone does or doesn't do something or say something. A reason is just that, reason. It's not an excuse. There have been to many IMO excuses given for actions and inaction.

(the reference to you, is again, me & the mouse in my pocket)
gotta get ready for work so I can catch up on the 20 plus pages!

 

[SCHMAE]

Greetings fellow sleuths -

This is my first posting here, so I wanted to say hello and briefly introduce myself. I've been a lurker here for a long time, and I think I've read every single post in the Dylan Redwine forum. I've followed each development daily, have made pages of notes, cross-referenced information, and tried to use every ounce of knowledge, experience, and a healthy dose of intuition to help find an answer and bring Dylan home. The posted videos (especially the outtakes from the TV interviews) are very interesting.

My background includes 10+ years of search and rescue experience and although I am not law enforcement, I have spent a considerable amount of time working with police and detectives over the years. I would in no way consider myself an expert in missing persons but I've picked up a lot of knowledge over the years which will hopefully yield some insight into cases such as this. If I miss any forum rules along the way please nudge me – I definitely want to contribute in a positive fashion and following all guidelines.

Thanks!

Hey Diveguy welcome !!!!!
I'm sure we could use your input !

 

[SCHMAE]

Maybe if Dylan was a little boy of six or seven, I might believe it possible that someone might take him out in public at some point. But with a male teen, it seems very unlikely. You can't exactly hold his hand, so how do you keep him from running? He can articulate who he is very clearly and cannot be talked into any scenario about his parents not wanting him. Keeping a teenager alive is not really an option, IMO, if he was abducted, unless of course for some dreadful sexual purpose. But again, he can talk and tell someone to help him, even then.

Well it's actually pretty easy. Think Elizabeth Smart. She was in public all the time, yes with her face covered, but she could have run any time. They control with fear. Once Dylan is under their control for 2 months time, they can easily have him brainwashed into believe things like ' i 'll kill ur family / friends etc if you ever run off ' . I'm hoping that is not the case, but these sickos are pretty crafty at gaining control !