CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[Annie1004]

Ok here I am to throw MR a bone again......... because let's face it, he needs all the help he can get ! I have met lots of people in my life who are not highly intelligent. When they are speaking to people they think are intelligent and they want to ' fit in' or not been seen as less than intelligent , they speak and say weird things. They think they are speaking more intellectually and sounding like an equal with the other person , but they actually end up sounded even less intelligent than if they hadn't tried so hard. Did that make sense?
Could that possibly be what we've seen with him?
I agree he says all kinds of weird things and I remember very early on thinking he's like half very smart and half very NOT smart and one sentence may seem really well thought and the next one who you fail and english class for . So just throwing that out there. It might explain his speaking style .......that he's afraid he's not too smart and he doesn't want to come across as not too smart to the viewers. Thoughts ?

Yes,I agree with you - we posted at the same time.

 

[Dee10]

That was my EXACT CHILLING THOUGHT after hearing this:

Mark Redwine:
"Well, we had talked about a couple things … he was here for such a short time, we didn’t have anything nailed down, you know, I anticipated and was correct in assuming he wanted to spend time with his friends, so that Monday, Tuesday… Wednesday was kind of up in the air because that was the day we could either travel to Colorado ….err not Colorado Springs but Castle Rock where my brother lives, ‘cos he had made mention about wanting to go over there, …or he could hang out with his friends and come up here, you know… just the two of us would spend Thanksgiving and then he could focus on spending the rest of the time he was here with his friends.. you know... I mean… I just wanted him to be happy. So, when he wants to spend time with his friends I get that – I understand that. I have no problem with that.

All I need too know is that he’s safe and where he’s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it’s likely I’ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he’s at where he says he’s at. Those things were important to me. You know… when he’s with me – it’s me and him, with the exception of his friends. You know… I know those are important to him, but … you know… I monitor what he does, where he’s at. You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time."

MR talks way to much about the friends and I believe he & Dylan had way different expectations on plans (see BBM above). MR only saw him for a short period over Labor Day & not only do I not believe Dylan would watch the Nic channel in the morning, I certainly can't phantom it Sunday night. I believe ER when she said she didn't think Mark knew Dylan very well.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Ok here I am to throw MR a bone again......... because let's face it, he needs all the help he can get ! I have met lots of people in my life who are not highly intelligent. When they are speaking to people they think are intelligent and they want to ' fit in' or not been seen as less than intelligent , they speak and say weird things. They think they are speaking more intellectually and sounding like an equal with the other person , but they actually end up sounded even less intelligent than if they hadn't tried so hard. Did that make sense?
Could that possibly be what we've seen with him?
I agree he says all kinds of weird things and I remember very early on thinking he's like half very smart and half very NOT smart and one sentence may seem really well thought and the next one who you fail and english class for . So just throwing that out there. It might explain his speaking style .......that he's afraid he's not too smart and he doesn't want to come across as not too smart to the viewers. Thoughts ?

''
I know exactly what you're talking about and have known such people. But those people usually tend to try to use big words (that they have no idea the meaning or pronounciation of) and end up looking like fools.

This is different. I don't see his speech patterns and word choices as the type one would use when trying to impress someone.

 

[absentia]

When he's talking about picking up snacks, the movies he seems to be talking normally and answering the question normally. But then he goes on to
"one of those movies is the one we watched.....pause.....the night.....pause......you know.......pause.....we were together"

BBM

Who talks like that??? Wouldn't you say one of those movies is the one we watched that night?
We all know (and the reporter knew) exactly what night was being discussed so why the need to throw that in there?

yes, AND I think what's more telling is the way he refers to "the night". You have to watch it. it's creepy. he drifts off and looks into space and shakes his head for a full 3-4 seconds. he could have said - that's one of the movies we watched. he's already referring to that night. or at least "that night", but saying "the night" indicates that was THE NIGHT that something happened. a special night. I would link the video but I'm watching in on Peter's SA page and it's not allowed. I don't have another link for it. you must watch it, a few times.

I don't think he's talking about what happened. I think he's talking about what he thinks people should believe happened.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

That was my EXACT CHILLING THOUGHT after hearing this:

Mark Redwine:
"Well, we had talked about a couple things … he was here for such a short time, we didn’t have anything nailed down, you know, I anticipated and was correct in assuming he wanted to spend time with his friends, so that Monday, Tuesday… Wednesday was kind of up in the air because that was the day we could either travel to Colorado ….err not Colorado Springs but Castle Rock where my brother lives, ‘cos he had made mention about wanting to go over there, …or he could hang out with his friends and come up here, you know… just the two of us would spend Thanksgiving and then he could focus on spending the rest of the time he was here with his friends.. you know... I mean… I just wanted him to be happy. So, when he wants to spend time with his friends I get that – I understand that. I have no problem with that.

All I need to know is that he’s safe and where he’s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it’s likely I’ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he’s at where he says he’s at. Those things were important to me. You know… when he’s with me – it’s me and him, with the exception of his friends. You know… I know those are important to him, but … you know… I monitor what he does, where he’s at. You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time."

He goes way overboard IMO when talking about the friends. Then it's just me and him, then back to the friends, then back to just me and him. To me and this is just my opinion he is saying HE (MR) wanted it to be just me and him and he put all of his friends and plans on hold so it could be just that. I think Dylan wanting to spend so much time with his friends rather than Dad is a real issue for MR. Just think of all the expense and trouble he went through to get Dylan there. I can see a parent being a little miffed that all the kid wants to do is be with their friends.

 

[tamild]

When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder#ixzz2KQuhPdvi


I've wondered that myself, tamild, because it was written by a reporter, rather than being a direct quote, and I wonder if he left out some other details that Mark told him. Dylan could have had a cereal snack before going to bed and/or never turned off the TV from the night before.

Also, I've been trying to remember if our bedroom TV was on or off last night when I went to sleep, and whether it was on or off this morning when I woke up. For the life of me, I can't remember. I asked DH and he can't remember either.

BBM

That would certainly give us more possibilities. What if MR closing the door behind him is what finally roused Dylan out of his twilight state? Could he have said "Oh crap, I'm missing my ride!" and grabbed his backpack and shoes and rushed out the door, only to find MR already down the road? Could he have locked himself out of the house in the process?

 

[absentia]

Wouldn't most people say 'we arrived here about'? Not we would've. We would've sounds like he is saying if the story went like this then we would've arrive here about. It's like instead of recollecting the events as they happened he's recollecting the events as they should have happened.

exact-A-mundo

 

[absentia]

An LO brought this up yesterday and we both have no idea if this was discussed a million times already:

Why did Dylan have on his backpack at Walmart???

Could he already have been on his own at that point? Is there real proof positive that they even went to McDonald's together?

this is disturbing, but I'm pretty sure there is proof he was at McD's, but I dunno what it is. I don't believe DR would have been on his own b/c of what I think happened to him, but it is odd he's wearing the backpack, and looks the way he does in that picture. it's disturbing.

 

[absentia]

That was my EXACT CHILLING THOUGHT after hearing this:

Mark Redwine:
"Well, we had talked about a couple things … he was here for such a short time, we didn’t have anything nailed down, you know, I anticipated and was correct in assuming he wanted to spend time with his friends, so that Monday, Tuesday… Wednesday was kind of up in the air because that was the day we could either travel to Colorado ….err not Colorado Springs but Castle Rock where my brother lives, ‘cos he had made mention about wanting to go over there, …or he could hang out with his friends and come up here, you know… just the two of us would spend Thanksgiving and then he could focus on spending the rest of the time he was here with his friends.. you know... I mean… I just wanted him to be happy. So, when he wants to spend time with his friends I get that – I understand that. I have no problem with that.

All I need to know is that he’s safe and where he’s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it’s likely I’ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he’s at where he says he’s at. Those things were important to me. You know… when he’s with me – it’s me and him, with the exception of his friends. You know… I know those are important to him, but … you know… I monitor what he does, where he’s at. You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time."

what bugs me about this is that a week is not really that short. it's longer than the previous long weekends they spent together. while it's true DR was only there for a short time, MR wouldn't have known that was going to be the case on Sunday night if he was innocent, would he? this is of concern for me. a week is kind of a long time IMO. of course I think MR knew DR was not gonna be there for long.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one seeing these strange inconsistencies in MR's interview. It's just strange.
I personally still don't think Dylan ever made it to MR's house that night.

I see MR as being as of average intelligence. I don't think this man is lacking in intelligence at all and I never got the feeling he was trying to impress the reporter except maybe when he was bragging about he and Dylan being closer than Elaine and Dylan. But I don't think that was said for the reporters benefit.

 

[SCHMAE]

''
I know exactly what you're talking about and have known such people. But those people usually tend to try to use big words (that they have no idea the meaning or pronounciation of) and end up looking like fools.

This is different. I don't see his speech patterns and word choices as the type one would use when trying to impress someone.

LMAO YES you do know those people !
It's sad isn't it ? I get embarrassed for them.
I have a family member whose has masters degrees in all sorts of math.
He tells these math jokes and theory jokes that I don't even pretend to
get . The kind of joke that you know if anyone is laughing it's because
they are pretending to get it. I just say Dude I have no idea what you mean.

 

[Money Girl]

I don't see one thing wrong with MR's discussions in the uncut interviews.

Have lived in different parts of the country and still travel to many regions of the US. They all talk differently. Yes, there is correct usage of words for all the grammar police. But, there is also colloquialism, differences in speech due to educational levels and socio-economical conditions.

Trying to dissect every single word the man uttered is not getting us any closer to finding Dylan.

I'm still with some of the others - stranger/rso abduction or unfortunate accident when Dylan was outside by himself.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

LMAO YES you do know those people !
It's sad isn't it ? I get embarrassed for them.
I have a family member whose has masters degrees in all sorts of math.
He tells these math jokes and theory jokes that I don't even pretend to
get . The kind of joke that you know if anyone is laughing it's because
they are pretending to get it. I just say Dude I have no idea what you mean.

I know quite a few and many are family I just want to say if you can't say that big word just use a different word!!! Or if you don't know the meaning of that big word don't use it!! I get embarrassed for them too. I think it makes everyone uncomfortable. I have one cousin that not only does this but he just rambles on and on and on and it's a real challenge trying to figure out what the heck he is trying to say. But MR is very different. I don't see this at all with MR.

 

[Seajay]

Ok here I am to throw MR a bone again......... because let's face it, he needs all the help he can get ! I have met lots of people in my life who are not highly intelligent. When they are speaking to people they think are intelligent and they want to ' fit in' or not been seen as less than intelligent , they speak and say weird things. They think they are speaking more intellectually and sounding like an equal with the other person , but they actually end up sounded even less intelligent than if they hadn't tried so hard. Did that make sense?
Could that possibly be what we've seen with him?
I agree he says all kinds of weird things and I remember very early on thinking he's like half very smart and half very NOT smart and one sentence may seem really well thought and the next one who you fail and english class for . So just throwing that out there. It might explain his speaking style .......that he's afraid he's not too smart and he doesn't want to come across as not too smart to the viewers. Thoughts ?

You know.....I put an entire baseball program together in my area for children with challenges. I was one of the first to do it in the US, and my program was the model for how it would be done throughout the US to the point the big wigs back in Williamsport, PA were learning from me to pass it along to other areas who wanted to implement the program.

That being said, I had to do a TV interview about it. I knew my stuff backwards and forwards. I had created it. But when the cameras went on, when the interviewer started asking questions, my mind went blank and the words came out all messed up, not at all like what I was trying to describe. I knew it right in my head but to rearrange it to answer the specific question, it didn't come out the right way. I felt I sounded like I didn't know what I was talking about.

When the cameras are on you, it's not a casual conversation where you can just talk. You are painfully aware the cameras are rolling. IME

 

[absentia]

I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one seeing these strange inconsistencies in MR's interview. It's just strange.
I personally still don't think Dylan ever made it to MR's house that night.

I see MR as being as of average intelligence. I don't think this man is lacking in intelligence at all and I never got the feeling he was trying to impress the reporter except maybe when he was bragging about he and Dylan being closer than Elaine and Dylan. But I don't think that was said for the reporters benefit.

I don't think he made it to the house either. what I wonder is, did MR drive all night to drop DR in a river canyon near CO Springs? (as if to say to ER - you'll get your son back but not alive) We have not heard the ID on the body found in the creek in Fountain CO yet, but it doesn't look like they think it's a local accidental drowning. it looks like it's being processed as a big crime scene and they have no missing persons reported there.

there's nothing on any of the DR FB pages (FMDR, DR News, or Calling MR) about the body.

 

[Seajay]

While I find MR suspect (mostly due to DR's cell phone stopping and that he was the last person to see DR), he comes across to me as not being articulate and maybe a bit shy.

All I can say is if MR had something to do with his son's disappearance, he pulled off a near-perfect crime... so far. Be assured LE is keeping an eye on him, but it's been nearly 3 months with nary a solid clue. Sounds to me that LE is either building a case OR they are stumped. MOO.

I keep going back to that, how could he have pulled off the near-perfect crime?? No video, no witnesses, no forensic evidence. Nothing. He's not a suspect and he's fully cooperating with LE. You would think if he did this, he'd stay as far away from LE as possible and make excuses for not going in and answering their questions. If he did this, you would think he would be shaking in his boots that he was going to slip up to LE. They are professionals. They see right through things. They had FBI interrogators on this case. CBI as well. How could he circumvent all that training and knowledge??

 

[absentia]

Ok here I am to throw MR a bone again......... because let's face it, he needs all the help he can get ! I have met lots of people in my life who are not highly intelligent. When they are speaking to people they think are intelligent and they want to ' fit in' or not been seen as less than intelligent , they speak and say weird things. They think they are speaking more intellectually and sounding like an equal with the other person , but they actually end up sounded even less intelligent than if they hadn't tried so hard. Did that make sense?
Could that possibly be what we've seen with him?
I agree he says all kinds of weird things and I remember very early on thinking he's like half very smart and half very NOT smart and one sentence may seem really well thought and the next one who you fail and english class for . So just throwing that out there. It might explain his speaking style .......that he's afraid he's not too smart and he doesn't want to come across as not too smart to the viewers. Thoughts ?

I know what you're saying, but that's not what I'm seeing. He seems at ease in his conversation style. He actually seems like he feels like he can "woo" the reporter. He has some confidence in his ability to persuade and/or seduce (not romantically). He doesn't try too hard to speak eloquently and fumble over that kind of thing. What he fumbles over is factual information and the historical events of that weekend. He ADDS way too much info where it doesn't need to be (justifications in order to convince) and can't get his story straight when remembering what occurred Sunday night.

 

[SCHMAE]

I don't think he made it to the house either. what I wonder is, did MR drive all night to drop DR in a river canyon near CO Springs? (as if to say to ER - you'll get your son back but not alive) We have not heard the ID on the body found in the creek in Fountain CO yet, but it doesn't look like they think it's a local accidental drowning. it looks like it's being processed as a big crime scene and they have no missing persons reported there.

there's nothing on any of the DR FB pages (FMDR, DR News, or Calling MR) about the body.

All I heard of that is that it appeared to be an ADULT MALE.
So I've put it out of my mind with regards to Dylan.
Hey did any searching with dogs go on today or did the weather nix that ?

 

[absentia]

I keep going back to that, how could he have pulled off the near-perfect crime?? No video, no witnesses, no forensic evidence. Nothing. He's not a suspect and he's fully cooperating with LE. You would think if he did this, he'd stay as far away from LE as possible and make excuses for not going in and answering their questions. If he did this, you would think he would be shaking in his boots that he was going to slip up to LE. They are professionals. They see right through things. They had FBI interrogators on this case. CBI as well. How could he circumvent all that training and knowledge??

that is the #1 question. next to "WHY and HOW?".

 

[SCHMAE]

I keep going back to that, how could he have pulled off the near-perfect crime?? No video, no witnesses, no forensic evidence. Nothing. He's not a suspect and he's fully cooperating with LE. You would think if he did this, he'd stay as far away from LE as possible and make excuses for not going in and answering their questions. If he did this, you would think he would be shaking in his boots that he was going to slip up to LE. They are professionals. They see right through things. They had FBI interrogators on this case. CBI as well. How could he circumvent all that training and knowledge??

You guys read WAY more of these cases than me so forgive me if this in not accurate but isn't this what Misty Coslin ( sp) and Deborah Bradley have " apparently" done? Out of the two, surely one of those two is guilty and yet, it appears the child vanished , right ?