CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[azgrandma]

I don't think it's the divorce itself that they are "fighting" about, but the details regarding visitation and change in child support. Since they don't have joint custody anymore because she moved to CS, then they are probably haggling over how much c/s he has to pay. Maybe he can't afford what she's asking.

In Colorado and Arizona, there is no haggling over how much c/s has to be paid by either parent. I believe that is true in many states, but don't know for fact.

There is a formula that is used, taking into consideration many factors (time spent with the child, medical, dental, extra curricular activities, day care, income of each parent)
Courts don't really care if you can afford c/s, you had the child, the child is your obligation so you afford it, everything else is what you can't afford. If income levels drop or increase (each state has it's level of change 2%, 5% whatever) the parent (either giving or receiving c/s) is allowed to have the courts re-visit the order.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

You can paraphrase the "just" of the comment and link to the facebook page but further discussion of comments is not allowed because they are considered a rumor and not fact.

Just so I'm understanding this correctly... We can say they are talking about doing a Dr Phil show over on FMDR but we cannot specifically discuss the comments that people are saying about it?

Sorry not trying to be a pain...

In other words if people want to go read for themselves they can but we are not allowed to discuss individual comments about it here? But we can talk in general about them doing a Dr Phil show?

Am I close?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

In Colorado and Arizona, there is no haggling over how much c/s has to be paid by either parent. I believe that is true in many states, but don't know for fact.

There is a formula that is used, taking into consideration many factors (time spent with the child, medical, dental, extra curricular activities, day care, income of each parent)
Courts don't really care if you can afford c/s, you had the child, the child is your obligation so you afford it, everything else is what you can't afford. If income levels drop or increase (each state has it's level of change 2%, 5% whatever) the parent (either giving or receiving c/s) is allowed to have the courts re-visit the order.

So if there is a significant change in time spent with each parent it's likely that child support would be adjusted accordingly?

 

[SCHMAE]

Just so I'm understanding this correctly... We can say they are talking about doing a Dr Phil show over on FMDR but we cannot specifically discuss the comments that people are saying about it?

Sorry not trying to be a pain...

In other words if people want to go read for themselves they can but we are not allowed to discuss individual comments about it here? But we can talk in general about them doing a Dr Phil show?

Am I close?

You're getting warmer !

 

[dlc]

Do you think it is odd that if MR knows about WS or 'reads' here that there hasn't been anyone join WS that knows him personally? Wouldn't you think it would be a grand opportunity for them to be on here posting and extolling his redeeming virtues? I certainly do and while I think ER and Azgrand are wonderful people they are ex-wives. I am also an ex-wife and I would have a hard time saying anything positive about my x-husband recalling any thing of our past marriage and it has been 40 years ago.

On those other social media sites there were plenty of people standing up for MR and that has to be one of the reasons others didn't want the sites up. I have no idea what happended to Dylan, but I don't believe logically this was done by MR. It all comes down to the cell phone reportedly cutting off at around 8:00 in the evening. We know though that a text was sent at 9:27, so based on that, what is the correct info.

And if this case is going to be solved on the cell phone why was such an obvious piece of evidence not dealt with. Why weren't messages sent so as to cover up the obvious silence after 8:00. Why was the phone gone along with the back pack? None of this makes any sense, but I think it is just too obvious. If MR did this he would have at least made the details point away from him and not directly pointing to him. JMO

BBM

JMO, but I don't think that allowing references here to what others have to say about MR on some of the other SM sites would be to MR's benefit.

IMO

Thanks.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Sorry to repeat myself, I posted this in the last thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dr Phil asked Mark to take a polygraph. I also wouldn't be surprised if that's something that has crossed Mark's mind when considering whether to do the show or not (of course this is obviously speculation by me).

I can't blame Mark at all if he won't do the show if they want him to take a polygraph. Polygraph are not accurate, and if Mark is nervous about taking one, that could mess up the results. Then it's announced on national TV that he failed? Whoa.

It's unfortunate but I know that most people's opinions about the accuracy of polygraphs will depend on Mark's results. The people on the FB pages would go nuts if Mark failed the polygraph, but dismiss the polygraph as inaccurate if he passed.

 

[azgrandma]

Yeh, it worked well for her, didn't it??? He didn't say another word for almost 2 months.

And I will go back to WHAT SHE SAID TO HIM during the time they were texting. If she was rude and nasty and accusatory, (which I believe she was) then I wouldn't have text her or answered another phone call from her again either. Making excuses for rude behavior and treating someone like crap isn't productive. She could have gotten more flies with honey than with vinegar. She used vinegar, she didn't get what she wanted.

AND 8 days and her first interview is "right off the bat" or "from the get-go" which was what I was answering.

BBM - Actually it did work, Elaine gave her interview to GMA and shortly after that MR did the interview at the video store.

2nd BBM - do you have a link for anything ER said to MR when they were texting? IIRC - MR texted ER asking if she knew where DR was. There is also mention from ER (Nancy Grace) where she mentioned that she said that they needed to contact the Marshalls, which she did and she believed that MR contacted the Sheriff. MR mentions pretty much the same in his 9 News uncut interview.

In all those interviews, there is NOTHING that says she was nasty or accusatory or anything else. EVEN MR indicates that he "understands" that she needs to blame someone.

Very sad day in my world that if a child is missing, the feelings and emotions of a parent takes priority.

I am twice divorced. I know that beyond a shadow of a doubt if one of my children were to be missing, there is one ex that would be very supportive, listen to me rant & rave, take all the verbal punches and then probably grab hold of me and say, "listen, know it off! We need to focus on this" and then there would be another ex that would not say a dang word to me and would put the focus on him, his feelings, etc.

 

[mck16]

BBM


Many threads back, a lot of discussion occurred around this issue, with a number of posters saying that ER should never have put DR on the plane, and that they wouldn't have if they were in her shoes, etc. Others pointed out that if she hadn't, she would have been in violation of a court order, and would risk losing custody rights. IMO, I think that ER and CR do believe that MR loved DR. I agree -- I think he loved him too. That said, one only has to open a newspaper to read a story of love that goes wrong.

In answer to your question of what it means, I think that ER never thought that something awful would happen to DR while in his father's care, but that, knowing MR as she does (and we have MSM reports that confirm this), she was aware of his personality, so when DR did go missing, the thought of MR's involvement very logically (IMO) occurred to her.JMO, etc.

Thanks.

I agree that ER never thought something would happen to DR, but I disagree with the last part of your statement. Those things happened in years past. And ER and the boys continued to live in the area after the divorce in 2008 and until a few months ago. I am sure MR saw DR regularily or when ever he could.

This was rather than a court ordered visit, a scheduled visit as opposed to drop in anytime which changed per the new visitation. Dropping in visits may have been the routine prior to ER's move. To reach back at least 5 years to find reasons to accuse MR is not right. JMO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I now know if some horrid thing like this ever happened in my life, in order to keep the GP happy, I would need to keep a manifest of every step I took and the exact time I took those steps down to the minute. I would also need to record all phone conversations in case someone accused me of saying or doing something different than how it happened. Maybe I need to start doing this now, just in case, so my tracks are covered in the event some tragedy like this would ever happen it would be documented ahead of time, because I certainly wouldn't remember all these little details. Better yet, I should put a camera on my shoulder now.

The thing is, I wouldn't be concerned about what the mass said if something horrid like this happened. I know that it is best to ignore this kind of stuff. I would be working with LE and mental health professionals in private. If my attempts to cooperate with my ex were unsuccessful, because they wouldn't listen, then I would have no choice but to not answer there phone calls to get yelled at and try and get a professional mediator to help do this in private.

 

[ColdHands]

So if there is a significant change in time spent with each parent it's likely that child support would be adjusted accordingly?

I posted an analysis of child support on Friday, but don't feel like reposting it. Here's a link to a PDF of instructions for completing the Colorado child support worksheet. Section IV has modification information.

http://www.courts.state.co.us/Forms/renderForm.cfm?Form=383

 

[azgrandma]

And then to add more credence to her statment she released the court docs and stories of sex on the front lawn, fighting with a neighbor, and being beat up by his son, etc. For me that is when the case took a really big turn in my feelings. I do not in any way think Elaine had anything to do with DR's disappearance, but I think her attitude toward MR has made me think even less that he did. She just seems so full of hate and making that public has made MR withdraw further from a public display of togetherness. And I think that is very bad and definitely made an impact on people. At least for me.

BBM - Where was it stated that ER released the records????? I'm fairly confident in thinking that if the news is covering a story, they do their searches as well.

 

[mck16]

BBM

JMO, but I don't think that allowing references here to what others have to say about MR on some of the other SM sites would be to MR's benefit.

IMO

Thanks.

Not sure what you are saying, but that is not what I was saying. lol What I meant was that it is not popular for anyone to say anything supportive of MR either here or on any of those other sites. JMO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I can't blame Mark at all if he won't do the show if they want him to take a polygraph. Polygraph are not accurate, and if Mark is nervous about taking one, that could mess up the results. Then it's announced on national TV that he failed? Whoa.

It's unfortunate but I know that most people's opinions about the accuracy of polygraphs will depend on Mark's results. The people on the FB pages would go nuts if Mark failed the polygraph, but dismiss the polygraph as inaccurate if he passed.

It seems like a no win situation no matter what. LE needs to be doing polygraphs in a ongoing criminal investigation, not a talk show host. Doing something like this may have the potential to hurt the investigation. Does anyone want to risk that?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I can't blame Mark at all if he won't do the show if they want him to take a polygraph. Polygraph are not accurate, and if Mark is nervous about taking one, that could mess up the results. Then it's announced on national TV that he failed? Whoa.

It's unfortunate but I know that most people's opinions about the accuracy of polygraphs will depend on Mark's results. The people on the FB pages would go nuts if Mark failed the polygraph, but dismiss the polygraph as inaccurate if he passed.

I agree. My personal opinion about polygraphs is that they can be beneficial to LE if it helps in leading them to evidence that can solve a case and be used in court. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't. So far in this case it looks like it hasn't. MOO.

 

[mck16]

BBM - Where was it stated that ER released the records????? I'm fairly confident in thinking that if the news is covering a story, they do their searches as well.

I don't know what the laws are in CO for releasing those types of documents, but I would think they would have to get approval from ER to do it. I certainly hope you can't just go digging in someones personal affairs and publish it to the world without some type of approval by the parties involved. I am not saying they aren't true, obviously we saw them, but I just can't imagine releasing them without either approval or certainly her knowledge they were going to do it. jmo

 

[dlc]

Not sure what you are saying, but that is not what I was saying. lol What I meant was that it is not popular for anyone to say anything supportive of MR either here or on any of those other sites. JMO

Sorry for the confusion! lol.

You said:

"On those other social media sites there were plenty of people standing up for MR"

I was just responding to that.

 

[SuperMom1995]

OH IMVHO he knows!

While I believe he is manipulative and cunning I don't think he's a rocket scientist...that's why he didn't "cover all of his bases"

 

[dlc]

I don't know what the laws are in CO for releasing those types of documents, but I would think they would have to get approval from ER to do it. I certainly hope you can't just go digging in someones personal affairs and publish it to the world without some type of approval by the parties involved. I am not saying they aren't true, obviously we saw them, but I just can't imagine releasing them without either approval or certainly her knowledge they were going to do it. jmo

Could you please provide some kind of link for this assertion? Using your reasoning, wouldn't MR have to have given his approval too?

TIA.

 

[azgrandma]

I don't know what the laws are in CO for releasing those types of documents, but I would think they would have to get approval from ER to do it. I certainly hope you can't just go digging in someones personal affairs and publish it to the world without some type of approval by the parties involved. I am not saying they aren't true, obviously we saw them, but I just can't imagine releasing them without either approval or certainly her knowledge they were going to do it. jmo

If they would need to get approval from ER, then they would need to get approval from MR as well. I guess I'm confused as to why it is thought that ER released those documents and/or approved for them to be used. If "parties involved" need to approve, then it would have been both ER & MR.

My point is, court records, unless sealed by the court for a variety of safety reasons, are public records. All that needs to be done is to contact the courts, ask for the records, pay the fee and it's done. Same with police records, public record. Police records are the report portion, not the entire investigation.

 

[mck16]

Could you please provide some kind of link for this assertion? Using your reasoning, wouldn't MR have to have given his approval too?TIA.

One would hope so, and maybe he did as in, I don't give a sh-t, do what you want. And as far as a link, no, as in most posts here it is JMO. But, if I run across one, I will post it. Going to go take a look right now. jmo