CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[SCHMAE]

I don't get the whole if you support MR you must believe ER did it. It gives me tired head. As I've said eleventy billion times (lol, I like that) I am not pro MR or anti ER. I am pro Dylan and pro facts and pro truth. As of now, I have been given nothing by LE that makes me lean any way or the other. MOO

Hehe. I love this kinda talk !

 

[TxLady2]

he said "pacing" and then he qualified it by saying - cleaning up dishes etc. I think he realized it sounded bad. and if he did, it's probably b/c it WAS bad. IMO.

Why would it sound bad that he was pacing? Why would it BE bad? Is pacing against the law? I honestly don't think that is sinister at all. He didn't like sitting through an entire kid-oriented movie, he said he's not a movie watcher anyway. So he walks around and does some things in the kitchen area to keep himself from falling asleep from the boredom of watching a movie he didn't pick out anyway. Big deal. I do things like that all the time, I hate DIY network, and reality shows, so if hubby is watching something like that, I get busy doing something else.

I don't see one thing wrong with what he said, but when people start adding things to it to make it sound even worse... like he was panicky and thinking about what to do... that's just reaching, IMO.

 

[Kamille]

Cuz he took them to his work and gave them to fellow employees who were taking trucking runs out to wherever they were going. He didn't have to be working to do that, just show up with a couple of handfuls of flyer, give then to his fellow employees, ask them to distribute them, then leave his work.

What exactly does he do for work? And is it still with United Pipelines? Because that company would not have long distance truck drivers and haulers based on what their website indicates that they do. They maintain and rehabilitate pipes with their own brand of pipe liner. I would assume this is contract work in certain areas where existing pipes need maintenance. Has he been working on a large contract job in New Mexico for the past few years? How does that equate to driving trucks for 3 weeks straight at a time? And why is MR's job and living situation when he's not in Colorado such a big secret? Wasn't he the one who accused ER of trying to keep her job a secret?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[The Cheese]

Nothing has been put forward that suggests Dylan was abducted either. Which is the only other possibility LE claims could have taken place.

Yes, abduction is one of the only two possible scenarios LE put forward. I'm not sure why you're saying it wasn't put forward, then acknowledging that LE did say it?

"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

While I've got this quote pasted - just jumping off from here, jjenny.

I'm not sure why people are saying they don't know if Dylan made it to the house. There are only two possible scenarios, and both involve Dylan in the house. We may not know how they determined these are the only 2 possible scenarios, but they know. I trust them.

:twocents: :twocents: :twocents:

 

[Tonto]

I don't get the whole if you support MR you must believe ER did it. It gives me tired head. As I've said eleventy billion times (lol, I like that) I am not pro MR or anti ER. I am pro Dylan and pro facts and pro truth. As of now, I have been given nothing by LE that makes me lean any way or the other. MOO

Agreed. I'm not defending MR. I'm defending prudence.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

What exactly does he do for work? And is it still with United Pipelines? Because that company would not have long distance truck drivers and haulers based on what their website indicates that they do. They maintain and rehabilitate pipes with their own brand of pipe liner. I would assume this is contract work in certain areas where existing pipes need maintenance. Has he been working on a large contract job in New Mexico for the past few years? How does that equate to driving trucks for 3 weeks straight at a time? And why is MR's job and living situation when he's not in Colorado such a big secret? Wasn't he the one who accused ER of trying to keep her job a secret?

:waitasec:

MOO

BBM:

He blew up in the interview and took some jabs at her. The comments she and others made on MSM and SM got to him. I really was hoping he could maintain some integrity and not go there, but I was also thinking how hard it would be to here and read all those things and say nothing. SHAME! SHAME! on both of them and others for this becoming a argument about who says what and taking the focus off of the search for Dylan.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, abduction is one of the only two possible scenarios LE put forward. I'm not sure why you're saying it wasn't put forward, then acknowledging that LE did say it?

"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

While I've got this quote pasted - just jumping off from here, jjenny.

I'm not sure why people are saying they don't know if Dylan made it to the house. There are only two possible scenarios, and both involve Dylan in the house. We may not know how they determined these are the only 2 possible scenarios, but they know. I trust them.

:twocents: :twocents: :twocents:

I meant, there is no evidence of an abduction either.

 

[deoneta]

She accused him and cursed him out in the text exchange when he text her and asked her if she had heard from Dylan on that Monday. It started then.

What did she say? I haven't read that.

 

[tlcya]

I am looking for MSM links in regards to MR and whether in the eyes of LE he has been cooperative with the investigation.

first, it is obvious that E and her supporters do not feel he is cooperating in efforts to locate Dylan. There is a lot of bad blood between these parents as illustrated with the continued back and forth to court regarding support, etc.

“I have questions that he has the answers to, and he's not cooperating with me or my mom in helping us get those answers,” Cory Redwine said.

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico.../rsss_2.0/-/n1uw0t/-/index.html#ixzz2KXmnDr5w

from the same article

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Office said Mark Redwine is not a suspect in the case

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico.../rsss_2.0/-/n1uw0t/-/index.html#ixzz2KXmxsamn

La Plata County Sheriff's spokesman Lt. Ray Shupe said the father, Mark Redwine, is cooperating with the investigation

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/probe-into-missing-dylan-redwine-now-a-criminal-investigation
Redwine has been cooperating with authorities and has not been named a suspect or person of interest, Shupe said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139996/-1/news01&source=RSS

Mark Redwine is not a suspect and has cooperated in the investigation, Dan Bender, a spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office, has said.

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/dylan-148038-son-redwine.html#ixzz2KXrcCKoc

I have tried and tried to find a link that states MR is uncooperative, a suspect, or a POI. I can find none save the fact that the family feels he is uncooperative.

I myself find hink with this father. But there is nothing in the MSM that would support him being called a suspect or being uncooperative with LE.

 

[SCHMAE]

Why would it sound bad that he was pacing? Why would it BE bad? Is pacing against the law? I honestly don't think that is sinister at all. He didn't like sitting through an entire kid-oriented movie, he said he's not a movie watcher anyway. So he walks around and does some things in the kitchen area to keep himself from falling asleep from the boredom of watching a movie he didn't pick out anyway. Big deal. I do things like that all the time, I hate DIY network, and reality shows, so if hubby is watching something like that, I get busy doing something else.

I don't see one thing wrong with what he said, but when people start adding things to it to make it sound even worse... like he was panicky and thinking about what to do... that's just reaching, IMO.

I added those so I'll address it . I have panic and anxiety and then some. So that is my behavior to a T . I'm not a murderer and I've never misplaced a child. But the pacing struck me because I pace quite a lot. I know that people with ZERO emotional disorders can become panicked and pace about if something shocking happens like an emergency. So I wondered if something like that might account for his pacing. I dont' think it's reaching as much as further dissecting every part of the interview .

 

[TxLady2]

I have no idea where Dylan is at seems like a normal statement to me. Why would you then add I have no involvement with where Dylan is at?

It almost sounds like he's saying he knows where Dylan is at but has no involvement with him getting there.

I know it's not just me noticing these repeated odd statements by MR.

So you're saying his second statement cancels out the first statement?

He says he doesn't know where he is, and has no involvement with where he is. Pretty simple to me.

 

[The Cheese]

I am looking for MSM links in regards to MR and whether in the eyes of LE he has been cooperative with the investigation.

first, it is obvious that E and her supporters do not feel he is cooperating in efforts to locate Dylan. There is a lot of bad blood between these parents as illustrated with the continued back and forth to court regarding support, etc.

“I have questions that he has the answers to, and he's not cooperating with me or my mom in helping us get those answers,” Cory Redwine said.

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico.../rsss_2.0/-/n1uw0t/-/index.html#ixzz2KXmnDr5w

from the same article

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Office said Mark Redwine is not a suspect in the case

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico.../rsss_2.0/-/n1uw0t/-/index.html#ixzz2KXmxsamn

La Plata County Sheriff's spokesman Lt. Ray Shupe said the father, Mark Redwine, is cooperating with the investigation

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/probe-into-missing-dylan-redwine-now-a-criminal-investigation
Redwine has been cooperating with authorities and has not been named a suspect or person of interest, Shupe said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139996/-1/news01&source=RSS

Mark Redwine is not a suspect and has cooperated in the investigation, Dan Bender, a spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office, has said.

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/dylan-148038-son-redwine.html#ixzz2KXrcCKoc

I have tried and tried to find a link that states MR is uncooperative, a suspect, or a POI. I can find none save the fact that the family feels he is uncooperative.

I myself find hink with this father. But there is nothing in the MSM that would support him being called a suspect or being uncooperative with LE.

True :goodpost:

 

[TxLady2]

He is the only one who knows whether he is telling the truth or not. You can either believe him or not, but you don't know if he is telling the truth.

And no one else knows that he's lying, so it goes both ways.

 

[cfreyja23]

Why would it sound bad that he was pacing? Why would it BE bad? Is pacing against the law? I honestly don't think that is sinister at all. He didn't like sitting through an entire kid-oriented movie, he said he's not a movie watcher anyway. So he walks around and does some things in the kitchen area to keep himself from falling asleep from the boredom of watching a movie he didn't pick out anyway. Big deal. I do things like that all the time, I hate DIY network, and reality shows, so if hubby is watching something like that, I get busy doing something else.

I don't see one thing wrong with what he said, but when people start adding things to it to make it sound even worse... like he was panicky and thinking about what to do... that's just reaching, IMO.

I think when someone refers to themselves as "pacing," IMO that person must know that pacing is something people do in a tense situation. Then again, and genuinely I mean no disrespect to you because you are entitled to your opinion, I think that some observers who don't believe MR was involved in his son's disappearance would explain away his behavior and words no matter how suspicious they appear to some of us. IMO, it seems that there are people who equally have confirmation bias in favor of MR.

 

[TxLady2]

Without knowing more about their communication that first week it's hard for me to make a conclusion. Elaine claims he ignored her and then lashes out in public towards him. Is there a connection? I don't know.

If Mark refused to communicate with LE, I would look at that as being suspicious. Having communication difficulties with an ex wife is something else altogether. MOO.

I don't have time to look it up, but I seem to recall that pretty soon after she made those first statements, he said something about he would love to sit down and talk to her but she either didn't want to talk to him or they couldn't connect... something like that. Then right after that he made the statement that his problem was with his ex-wife and she knew everything.

I'm only speculating but maybe she had tried calling and texting him on the drive from CS to Durango, and he was being questioned by LE those first few hours and didn't have access to his phone. That's why she made the statement that he wouldn't return her calls or texts. I can't say about the days following that, because who is to say that either one of them did or did not make an effort to communicate? Sometimes when there is such a bad history between people, it only takes a few words or a certain tone of voice to set them off and the other person just hangs up. Been there, done that, and didn't buy the T-shirt.

 

[TxLady2]

I think when someone refers to themselves as "pacing," IMO that person must know that pacing is something people do in a tense situation. Then again, and genuinely I mean no disrespect to you because you are entitled to your opinion, I think that some observers who don't believe MR was involved in his son's disappearance would explain away his behavior and words no matter how suspicious they appear to some of us. IMO, it seems that there are people who equally have confirmation bias in favor of MR.

Okay. But I look at it another way. Some of us try to insert a little logic and reasoning into things and not make everything out to be sinister or signs of guilt. I mean no disrespect to you, either, you're as entitled to your opinion as anyone else.
Maybe he was tense. He had a long, tiring day, making a round trip to the airport, having to wait for the plane to land, which was delayed, and maybe he was just tired from all that. I can't surmise that he was tense because something had already happened to Dylan, when there are so many other reasons he could be tense. See what I mean?
Thanks for your input and for the respectful way you replied.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I saw Dylan's missing poster in the Sam's Club in Las Vegas today. My 6 year old son was with me and he had the misfortune of watching the Nancy Grace episodes with me in November and he has not forgotten about Dylan. When I stopped to look at the posters, he asked who the kids were. I said "these are kids who are lost and missing. Do you recognize this one?" "Dylan?" "Yep. He's still out there and this flyer will help remind people to keep an eye out for him." What I was thinking was ...this is Dylan. His mom is Elaine. His dad is Mark. He has a brother named Cory who misses him more than you can imagine. His friends Ryan and Wes and Joe wonder where he is every day. He likes his pizza with pepperoni and he likes to watch baseball and football, like you do. He doesn't like to read but he likes to listen to music....etc. But I didn't tell him all this. I looked at all those other pictures and realized they weren't all just missing kids, they were threads in a huge ripple and SO MANY PEOPLE are missing them and holy crap it was tough to regain my composure and go shopping. But it was a lesson for my son and I'm sorry Dylan is the way he will learn about missing kids. But my son did not stray far from the cart while we shopped, I noticed. Come home Dylan.

 

[mijamawi]

Okay. But I look at it another way. Some of us try to insert a little logic and reasoning into things and not make everything out to be sinister or signs of guilt. I mean no disrespect to you, either, you're as entitled to your opinion as anyone else.
Maybe he was tense. He had a long, tiring day, making a round trip to the airport, having to wait for the plane to land, which was delayed, and maybe he was just tired from all that. I can't surmise that he was tense because something had already happened to Dylan, when there are so many other reasons he could be tense. See what I mean?
Thanks for your input and for the respectful way you replied.

Thanks button wasn't enough. I'm always quick to say the spouse did it or the parent did it, but for whatever reason, I did not feel MR was responsible from very early on. Like you've stated above, there are too many logical reasons for his actions. Another case I've been following, I feel the spouse did it. He's doing everything to make himself look guilty. When I try to compare his actions to MR's, it's like apples to oranges. I know I'm rambling, but I just wanted to say thanks for your post.

 

[cfreyja23]

Okay. But I look at it another way. Some of us try to insert a little logic and reasoning into things and not make everything out to be sinister or signs of guilt. I mean no disrespect to you, either, you're as entitled to your opinion as anyone else.
Maybe he was tense. He had a long, tiring day, making a round trip to the airport, having to wait for the plane to land, which was delayed, and maybe he was just tired from all that. I can't surmise that he was tense because something had already happened to Dylan, when there are so many other reasons he could be tense. See what I mean?
Thanks for your input and for the respectful way you replied.

If you're saying that there is a logical reason for any one statement, facial expression or action in someone who may have committed a crime, I completely agree with you. No one thing is an indicator of guilt, any more than a prosecutor can make an effective case out of a single piece of evidence. My suspicions about MR are based on a cumulative list of things that, IMO, are indicative of deception. Number one: he has not, so far and to my knowledge, actually said, "I did not kill Dylan," which should be very, very easy to do. If anyone can provide me with a quote, TIA. And thanks for your response. Even if we don't agree, your comments are always insightful and thoughtful.

 

[The Cheese]

If you're saying that there is a logical reason for any one statement, facial expression or action in someone who may have committed a crime, I completely agree with you. No one thing is an indicator of guilt, any more than a prosecutor can make an effective case out of a single piece of evidence. My suspicions about MR are based on a cumulative list of things that, IMO, are indicative of deception. Number one: he has not, so far and to my knowledge, actually said, "I did not kill Dylan," which should be very, very easy to do. If anyone can provide me with a quote, TIA. And thanks for your response. Even if we don't agree, your comments are always insightful and thoughtful.

It would be bizarre to me if someone suddenly blurted out "I did not kill Dylan". In fact, I would probably immediately think they had.

In other words, I haven't seen anyone ask him if he killed Dylan. I've never seen any parent of a missing child when asked if they knew where their child was, what happened to their child, etc, reply "I did not kill my child". It takes a direct question - and someone to ask it.

Have you seen a reporter ask Mark if he killed Dylan?