CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[absentia]

No, that is not true. I have provided the link upthread on this page twice now in the past few minutes. Here it is again.

Teresa Martinez, a friend of Mark Redwine, said Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative).”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...ly-for-Dylan--

To the mods: I'm not spamming. It seems everyone keeps asking about this over and over again and I'm answering their requests.

i don't see any threats in there, and I'm not surprised or taken aback by her response to MR. I would expect it, honestly, given the situation.

 

[absentia]

Actually no I'm not. Many have stated that it's perfectly ok for MR to
ignore ER indefinitely because she blew up his phone with ' harassing' texts
so according to Clu's statement that would be a good enough reason to
just ignore ER from now on apparently. I'm not being facetious. It sounds
facetious because it's so ridiculous. But apparently its' acceptable behavior
between adults who've had a bad marriage and now hate each other.
Strange days !

sad. I see abuse/blame the victim/set up the victim etc. all over this.

 

[cluciano63]

I suppose afterwards it's only natural for folks to also expect - no demand - the ex-husband to put aside all of the public rants, accusations, hostile messages, organized mobs, and years-old angst and bitterness, and appear with his ex-wife on national television. What could possibly go wrong?

I don't expect anything and am not even crazy about the idea of going on a show like Dr.Phil, but- everything should be put aside for Dylan's sake, everything. All hurt feelings, gripes, etc. They can get back at it later, if he is ever found.

He needs to put up with ER a bit more than vice versa IMO because Dylan was with him when he vanished. She feels helpless and frustrated and angry and he can, if he wants, withhold little bits of info she might like to hear, or that might comfort her, or whatever. It just seems to me he is taking far too much interest in her reactions and actions, like a sick game or something.

JMOJMOJMOJMOJMOJNO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Continuing my thoughts on particular points, issues, or statements that stood out to me in the interviews from the other day(which i didnt get past posting about the first 90+ seconds of dad's interview in my being disturbed by his statements made)..

Another of many interesting points was his repeatedly speaking as tho Dylan is of his own free will, and even IMO indicating that Dylan in a way is responsible for their present situation.. What I mean is that he speaks several times this way stating that Dylan needs to reach out to SOMEONE!..Mark goes further in saying that he(Mark) doesn't care if Dylan chooses to reach out to mom or Cory..just that he needs to reach out, contact SOMEONE! To pick up the phone to let SOMEONE KNOW HE IS OK..??!?..again, this isn't just one brief, fleeting thought or statement mentioned in the interview..this same thought, particular frame of mind is expressed at several different points in the interview..

In the last instance where Mark Redwine once again goes to this particular train of thought about Dylan's needing to contact someone to let them know he's OK.. IMO he appears as tho there's a moment he realizes what he's saying and he alters this train of thought ever so slightly by again placing responsibility Dylan's way, but yet with the acknowledgement that he isn't completely of his own free will.. He says that Dylan needs to find a way to use a phone and pray to his abductors that they'll let him go.

IMO This repeated thought is expressing Dylan as being a part of..or atleast sharing a part of the responsibility for their being in this horrible situation.. IMO yes, to me it is illogical, but Mark Redwine IS NOT the first person to ever express this train of thought where the unavailable victim is of their own free will and for some reason is just refusing to not reach out and contact someone to let them know they are OK.. IMO I personally find this disturbing...to each their own if they choose to see it differently.

When asked about what he thought when he returned to an empty house with no Dylan he says there was no concern he figured he'd walked off over across the street to the lake...or just walked off over there to that campground...

Mark Redwine tells MB that he did NOT find it at all strange or unusual when asked his thoughts on seeing not only that Dylan was gone but that EVERYTHING he had with him was gone as well(backpack, clothes, electronic devices, chargers, etc).. He goes onto say that he assumed that in Dylan's having gone off to hang at his friends that it would have included his spending the night..

MB continues along this same subject of the backpack and asks Mark, since Dylan had chosen to take EVERYTHING with him, leaving behind nothing at the house, did he think that was indicative of Dylan willingly leaving and it being with someone Dylan knew... His reply threw me a little in his saying that he had a real hard time believing that a kid would take ALL of his stuff with him in his backpack JUST TO GO SPEND THE NIGHT WITH FRIENDS..going further in saying he knew DYLAN and Dylan wouldn't have cared or needed to take ALL of his things with him...well...OK, then...but Marks statement IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING was that he found nothing even the least bit unusual that Dylan's backpack and everything he'd brought with him was gone due to Mark's assuming it was cuz he went to spend the night at his friends house..??

Moving right along .. as I previously noted Mark again brings it back around to Elaine and about her whining about his not willing to talk with her and Cory and how that's just not true.. The next words out of his mouth were again something that gave me pause...like a WTF pause.. He says, "Being a mom I can only imagine their focus is trying to find ____________________." Now IMO I was totally expecting that blank to be filled with THEIR CHILD. or something similar... Nope, Mark Redwine filled in the blank with SOMEONE TO BLAME.....Wtf??.. yes, Mark says, "Being a mom I can only imagine their focus is trying to find SOMEONE TO BLAME AND IT'S EASY TO BLAME ME."... His thoughts are that as a mom of a child who is MISSING AND HAS BEEN MISSING FOR TWO MONTHS that her MAIN FOCUS is to find SOMEONE TO BLAME(and of course in this case that just happens to be him)... not that mom's main focus would be TO FIND HER CHILD..MUCH DIFFERENT mom's focus is ON HIM... Disturbing to say the least!

He goes onto say that "in Elaine's eyes" he was the last to see Dylan.. ummmm..nooo, Mark its not "in Elaine's eyes"..its just you were the last to see him, period... My God!..its just ME, ME, ME! and ELAINE, ELAINE, ELAINE! jmo.

And IMO its just that, that the ENTIRE HORRIFIC NIGHTMARE IS ABOUT..that this all revolves around...that this all is due to... HIM....And ELAINE! IMO it is the entire nucleus ...its what's at the heart of this horrific situation. There so much more, but why even babble on about it when IMO the heart of the matter is ME, ME, ME...ELAINE, ELAINE, ELAINE.

Jmo and nada damn thing more or less.

Thank you thank you! IMHO you nailed it! I'm so glad you see it. It seems so obvious to me.

 

[absentia]

Did this exchange take place on the Monday afternoon when MR initially contacted ER is what I'm trying to figure out. I thought this was quite some days later after MR said CR and ER were constantly sending him texts.

would it matter?

 

[absentia]

I don't expect anything and am not even crazy about the idea of going on a show like Dr.Phil, but- everything should be put aside for Dylan's sake, everything. All hurt feelings, gripes, etc. They can get back at it later, if he is ever found.

He needs to put up with ER a bit more than vice versa IMO because Dylan was with him when he vanished. She feels helpless and frustrated and angry and he can, if he wants, withhold little bits of info she might like to hear, or that might comfort her, or whatever. It just seems to me he is taking far too much interest in her reactions and actions, like a sick game or something.

JMOJMOJMOJMOJMOJNO

I would have been so apologetic and desperate for my ex (if I were MR) to please put aside her negative feelings for me and come help!!! NOW!!! If she yelled and accused I'd be like - ok, sorry, I know, but please come help anyway. and I'd give everyone all the info I could think of about everything. and believe me, I'd drive em all crazy.

 

[helenann2k]

I've been a member for a long time, but never post. Tonight, after being away for a few days, I stopped in to see if there was any new info on Dylan. Instead, I see the same old back and forth that has plagued these threads from the beginning. I am beginning to think there is something intentional about the posts that constantly challenge each other on their beliefs as to MR's involvement. Because if everyone is busy focusing on being "right" about whether to suspect MR or not, then everyone is NOT focused on the little evidence there is. I just remember hearing from some LE detectives in other cases that there is ALWAYS another clue somewhere, another overlooked bit of info. That is what we should be focusing on. If MR is involved, then there are clues that will eventually lead to him. If he is not, then clues will exonerate him. IMO, of course. And also IMO, Dylan needs a champion, an advocate, maybe even a celebrity. Someone to cause a fuss, be all over that town demanding more press, more searches, more door-to-door footwork. Heck, I'd be stopping cars on the street until LE forced me to refrain. But that's just my opinion. I'll go back to lurking and thinking again. Thanks for listening.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No, that is not true. I have provided the link upthread on this page twice now in the past few minutes. Here it is again.

Teresa Martinez, a friend of Mark Redwine, said Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative).”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...ly-for-Dylan--

To the mods: I'm not spamming. It seems everyone keeps asking about this over and over again and I'm answering their requests.

Seejay, your link is bad. Here's a working one.

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...129818/Redwine-family-plans-rally-for-Dylan--

 

[deoneta]

I suppose afterwards it's only natural for folks to also expect - no demand - the ex-husband to put aside all of the public rants, accusations, hostile messages, organized mobs, and years-old angst and bitterness, and appear with his ex-wife on national television. What could possibly go wrong?

I understand that there is rancor that predates Dylan's disappearance. What could possibly go wrong that is worse than what has already transpired when Dylan went missing? There are bigger issues at stake than the parents' angst and bitterness. All MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

'''''Teresa Martinez, a friend of Mark Redwine, said Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative).”

Martinez spent 2½ weeks with Mark Redwine during the Christmas holiday''''

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...0/SEARCH/Redwine-family-plans-rally-for-Dylan

Nowhere in this article does it say when the text was sent by ER . Teresa spent time with MR at Christmas, well over a month later. I suppose it is possible that she' s talking about the initial Monday afternoon texts, but without some more verification on that , I'm going to assume it is the LATTER texts after MR ignored ER's texts that they began to get ugly. JMOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[SCHMAE]

would it matter?

Yes to me anyway. But I guess not to others.
I don't undertand. Maybe it's just me though.

It matters because some are trying to paint ER like a villain and MR like the long suffering victim.
Can they both be victims? Aren't they both victims until DR's whereabouts are known? Seems it's ok
that since from ' day one' ER has been cussing and accusing MR then everything MR has done since is
justified. But when I ask how do we know from day one ER did any cussing and accusing, there is no
proof. A gf of MR's said a month LATER that MR got ' A TEXT" that said " where' dylan u " . That's
not an accusation and by my accounts, not even much of a cussing, to be honest.
So it seems ER gets the short end of the stick no matter what.

So to answer your question , yes , the timing of the txt is important to me because if ER did
no cussing and accusing on day one, then MR has no reason to have ignored her for the next
3 months . And if ER did cuss and accuse him on day one he still has no excuse to ignore her
for the next 3 months ! MOO ATJ

 

[Tonto]

MR is in a unique position, only MR and DR know what happened Sunday and Monday.

To which he has communicated to LE and multiple interviewers, and apparently to their satisfaction thus far.

MR is the only one that KNOWS the answers to many questions.

Many questions that I'm sure have been asked by LE and answered on multiple occasions. Yet LE appears to be satisfied with those answers to this point.

ER was hundreds of miles away, she was not the last person KNOWN to see her son, so she does NOT know as much as MR and she is in a unique position.

That MR is the last known person to see DR doesn't mean he has any more answers than anyone else. If DR went missing when MR was away from the home, as MR insists and no evidence thus far counters, then there is little he would know.

She is in a less unique position than MR, he knows how time was spent, ER doesn't IMO that makes it unique.

To which he has already communicated to LE and multiple media interviews.

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[tlcya]

helenann2k,

Great post. you should do it more often.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I understand that there is rancor that predates Dylan's disappearance. What could possibly go wrong that is worse than what has already transpired when Dylan went missing? There are bigger issues at stake than the parents' angst and bitterness. All MOO

I agree. It makes me so sad for Dylan that the 2 people that are supposed to love and protect him, above all others, cannot come together to try to find him. If he's alive out there HE is the one paying the price

 

[Salem]

sad. I see abuse/blame the victim/set up the victim etc. all over this.

How?

I'm not understanding your point here?

Salem

 

[cluciano63]

I will believe what certain texts said when they are made public. Otherwise, they are just something MR told someone else, IMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I will believe what certain texts said when they are made public. Otherwise, they are just something MR told someone else, IMO.

You make a good point. And it could be said that Elaine's claims of Mark ignoring all of her attempts of communication as being unverified as well. MOO.

 

[scorekeeper]

I have always wondered why Mark didn't call Elaine and say something like...I'm on my way to the Marshall's office, can you meet me there? Dylan is missing.

Why did he text her???

 

[azgrandma]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychic Sleuth
JMO but I don't know that Elaine was suspicious of MR having anything to do with Dylan being missing until he wasn't willing to communicate with her. I think that's why she and many people have become suspicious of him.

Without knowing more about their communication that first week it's hard for me to make a conclusion. Elaine claims he ignored her and then lashes out in public towards him. Is there a connection? I don't know.

If Mark refused to communicate with LE, I would look at that as being suspicious. Having communication difficulties with an ex wife is something else altogether. MOO.

Do you have a link that shows Elaine "lashed out in public" because IMO stating her suspicion that MR had some involvement was not lashing out it was stating her opinion, which we all are entitled to.
I can also understand communication difficulties with an ex when you are talking about what a child should wear, eat, watch on tv, etc. I don't find communicating with an ex regarding the very life, health and well being of your child a "difficulty".

 

[azgrandma]

I have always wondered why Mark didn't call Elaine and say something like...I'm on my way to the Marshall's office, can you meet me there? Dylan is missing.

Why did he text her???

because IMO texting is not personal and he would have had to answer questions.