CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[i8mypaint]

I have always wondered why Mark didn't call Elaine and say something like...I'm on my way to the Marshall's office, can you meet me there? Dylan is missing.

Why did he text her???

My ex-husband would do such things. I think becuase he wouldn't want to hear the yelling on the other side of the phone. But then again we don't talk unless it is through email or text message... but I would hope he would call with an emergency, but would not be shocked if he just texted me.

 

[ColdHands]

This is for AZGrandma

Another poster up thread noted that in the uncut long interview, MR was pretty coherent when talking about Sunday evening at Walmart, McDonalds, and also Monday sequence of events, but that he lost it and was less coherent when talking about Sunday night - the video, texting, pacing etc. I found that analysis to be very helpful because it was specific without going into the weeds, as we say around here.

I believe you when you say that the MR you see in the media today is not genuine and I'm sure you have times when you get sick just hearing him speak because of what you believe he may have done. Are there any specific things similar to what that poster noted that caught your attention that you can point out for us? In that video or any prior videos that have been posted?

I apologize if you've already done so. 34 threads and thousands of posts later it is extremely difficult to remember everything :/

I appreciate your input.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychic Sleuth
JMO but I don't know that Elaine was suspicious of MR having anything to do with Dylan being missing until he wasn't willing to communicate with her. I think that's why she and many people have become suspicious of him.


Do you have a link that shows Elaine "lashed out in public" because IMO stating her suspicion that MR had some involvement was not lashing out it was stating her opinion, which we all are entitled to.
I can also understand communication difficulties with an ex when you are talking about what a child should wear, eat, watch on tv, etc. I don't find communicating with an ex regarding the very life, health and well being of your child a "difficulty".

Sure, here is what I based my comments on

"I don't think Mark treats him very well," Elaine Redwine said. "I would not put it past Mark to have done something to remove Dylan from the situation. You know, like 'if I can't have him, nobody will.'"

In my opinion, that is Elaine lashing out. When I say "communication difficulties" I mean that they have problems talking to each other no matter what the subject matter is. MOO.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458

 

[SCHMAE]

I have a question for Grandma too . I do think you might have answered it already but cannot recall. IS MR a pacer? Is he maybe a hyper guy who does a lot of busy wandering around the house? Or more of a couch potato lounger type ? TIA !

 

[Salem]

STOP with the back and forth, here. We don't need it and it just derails the thread.

If a post crosses TOS, alert it, do NOT respond to it, and move on by. The mods will take care of it.

And... in your posting, be sure to remember that if you post in such a way that another poster feels attacked that is against TOS.

This post lands at random.

Salem

 

[azgrandma]

This is for AZGrandma

Another poster up thread noted that in the uncut long interview, MR was pretty coherent when talking about Sunday evening at Walmart, McDonalds, and also Monday sequence of events, but that he lost it and was less coherent when talking about Sunday night - the video, texting, pacing etc. I found that analysis to be very helpful because it was specific without going into the weeds, as we say around here.

I believe you when you say that the MR you see in the media today is not genuine and I'm sure you have times when you get sick just hearing him speak because of what you believe he may have done. Are there any specific things similar to what that poster noted that caught your attention that you can point out for us? In that video or any prior videos that have been posted?

I apologize if you've already done so. 34 threads and thousands of posts later it is extremely difficult to remember everything :/

I appreciate your input.

I can't put it in words, but I will try. It's the way he is talking, the extra information and the diverting the questions. I am no expert in speech, body language or anything of the sort. It's just what and how he says it. I'm not sure what poster you are referring to so I can't address that. I do know how he talked and what his underlying comments were and are. He is the type of person that can threaten you, scare you to death and then turn around and talk to the next person like everything is hunky dorey.

He did not normally talk in circles for normal conversations. He said what he meant and meant what he said type of communication.
When he was being deceptive, it was vague and you couldn't figure out what it was he was getting at. I can tell you countless times of trying to figure out just what the h he was talking about and what it meant.
Sorry, I know this doesn't help.

 

[Salem]

AZ - what about the pacing? Did you ever know MR to pace?

Salem

 

[Allusonz]

because IMO texting is not personal and he would have had to answer questions.

Or it could of been as simple as LE asking him while at the Marshall's office if he checked to see if ER had heard from Dylan.

 

[tlcya]

AZgrandma, I think the post regarding the interview with MR is SmoothOperators post on page 31. SmoothOperator was apply some statement analysis techniques to MR's interview and pointing out some of the things SO found unusual in his body language and the words he chose.

ColdHand wondered if you found some of those same things troublesome about the interview and MR;s demeanor during it.l

 

[Allusonz]

I can't put it in words, but I will try. It's the way he is talking, the extra information and the diverting the questions. I am no expert in speech, body language or anything of the sort. It's just what and how he says it. I'm not sure what poster you are referring to so I can't address that. I do know how he talked and what his underlying comments were and are. He is the type of person that can threaten you, scare you to death and then turn around and talk to the next person like everything is hunky dorey.

He did not normally talk in circles for normal conversations. He said what he meant and meant what he said type of communication.
When he was being deceptive, it was vague and you couldn't figure out what it was he was getting at. I can tell you countless times of trying to figure out just what the h he was talking about and what it meant.
Sorry, I know this doesn't help.

This as well could be an area where LE has asked MR not to discuss certain details.

 

[Allusonz]

AZ - what about the pacing? Did you ever know MR to pace?

Salem

I am thinking that MR used the word pacing as he has probably done a fair amount of that since Dylan disappeared.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I can't put it in words, but I will try. It's the way he is talking, the extra information and the diverting the questions. I am no expert in speech, body language or anything of the sort. It's just what and how he says it. I'm not sure what poster you are referring to so I can't address that. I do know how he talked and what his underlying comments were and are. He is the type of person that can threaten you, scare you to death and then turn around and talk to the next person like everything is hunky dorey.

He did not normally talk in circles for normal conversations. He said what he meant and meant what he said type of communication.
When he was being deceptive, it was vague and you couldn't figure out what it was he was getting at. I can tell you countless times of trying to figure out just what the h he was talking about and what it meant.
Sorry, I know this doesn't help.

Have you come to an opinion of Mark's honesty in answering questions in the uncut interview?

 

[Confusion]

I am thinking that MR used the word pacing as he has probably done a fair amount of that since Dylan disappeared.

When I read it I thought he was saying he was putzing, which is closer to what he was describing than pacing. MOO

 

[azgrandma]

I suppose afterwards it's only natural for folks to also expect - no demand - the ex-husband to put aside all of the public rants, accusations, hostile messages, organized mobs, and years-old angst and bitterness, and appear with his ex-wife on national television. What could possibly go wrong?

I'm not certain what could go wrong, but I would believe that what could go right is that after one public comment (however horrible or not) two people could go on tv and plea for the return of their child.

Bringing in the actions or what others do, which is beyond personal control, would not do anyone any good. Perhaps blaming others and holding an unaccountable person accountable for actions of others (thousands that are not even personally known), makes sense, but not to me.

 

[Allusonz]

Has it ever been stated in MSM how many times LE had MR in for interviews?

The days of those interviews?

The length of each interview?

I simply don't recall seeing this information, but I would think that LE concentrated on MR significantly during the first weeks, up to and including a formal interview with the task force.

I think those interviews alone would be enough to rattle someone.

If ER has questions that MR can't answer she can ask LE. I simply have not understood this aspect as they both speak to LE separately each week or when able.

 

[Allusonz]

When I read it I thought he was saying he was putzing, which is closer to what he was describing than pacing. MOO

You could be right. I would have to relisten to this again.

I have been remiss in this and it could be putzing so thank you

 

[Deleted member 39678]

When I read it I thought he was saying he was putzing, which is closer to what he was describing than pacing. MOO

I didn't think of that until you mentioned it. Perhaps that's the word that Mark intended to use and it came out as "pacing." MOO.

 

[The Cheese]

Or it could of been as simple as LE asking him while at the Marshall's office if he checked to see if ER had heard from Dylan.

Or because it seems to be the most common reliable means of communication out there. Calls don't always go through, but texts most often work.

 

[azgrandma]

Or it could of been as simple as LE asking him while at the Marshall's office if he checked to see if ER had heard from Dylan.

According to everything we know so far, MR sent the text to ER before he went to the Marshall's office. Even if he was at the Marshall's, reporting a child as a runaway, LE would allow you to speak with the other parent when they called in. He was filing a report not being questioned.

 

[Allusonz]

I would have been so apologetic and desperate for my ex (if I were MR) to please put aside her negative feelings for me and come help!!! NOW!!! If she yelled and accused I'd be like - ok, sorry, I know, but please come help anyway. and I'd give everyone all the info I could think of about everything. and believe me, I'd drive em all crazy.

I was the kid whose mother had moved on to a different person, who was her focus and she gave her undivided attention. In Dylan's case he as well had an older brother 8 years older that as well was moving on with a relationship, new job etc. Everything depended on my new stepfathers schedule.


I think anyone that paid attention to the remarks his friends made would realize that this was a young man often left to his own devices, even when he lived in Bayfield. If he did leave the house to hitch a ride, it because it was something he had done previously.. I have listened closely to how Dylan has been described by his friends. They have stated that Dylan had hitched to see them and they are not talking just the snowstorm incident. Whether he hitched on the spur of the moment, or he planned the rides he hitched. According to his friends, Dylan showed up unannounced, meaning that they did not always plan to meet up via text or phone. They describe him as being fearless. One example was when he jumped into the river and his friends stated then they knew it was safe.

They spoke specifically of the previous summer in which they hung out every day, had pizza in the same place and that Dylan always ordered pepperoni pizza. I took note that this probably occurred on ER's watch and reminded me of her statement that he would tell her where he landed for the night . Then corrected it to say usually by morning when he woke up by ER's own admission..

Again, by ER's own admission, Dylan was not a morning person, and he showered and slept in his clothes so he was ready for school the next day.

MR referred to him as the "peacemaker". This was probably the most accurate statement made by either parent.

The reason I state that is because I was described exactly the same way by many, as I learned quickly that my mother would go on a rant regarding my father every time he called, or papers were filed, and/or court appearances. I believe Dylan learned quickly what was a safe topic.. I know I did.

I was with my mother 90% of the time as she had PHYSICAL custody. The perspective I heard 90% of the time was mainly my mothers, whether it was an accurate one or not. Most times my mother's perspective was not accurate, but it took a few years to realize that. It was only after my stepfather asked if I had ever asked my father about his perspective did I realize what my mother had done, whether that was intentional or not. I did not have the tools at that age to deal with walking that tightrope yet.

I was the child that my mother stated my father did not "return" on time, even though I knew it to be false as often my father would state "you better phone and ask". We both knew if he called it would be a flat out no. It still did not stop her from contacting LE and making allegations of not being returned on time.