CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[BeginnersLuck]

The date of that article was 11-25. On 11-28, Bender said:

“There’s a combination of factors,” Bender said. “There’s been the passage of time without any sightings; Dylan was not a visitor but had friends here; he has a history of staying in contact with his family and friends; and there’s been nothing on his cellphone record since he was reported missing.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...2/Dylan-Redwine-did-not-run-away-police-say--

Several sources said earlier sightings had been ruled out, but these were not directly attributed to LE. All MOO

Well, that certainly can be interpreted in different ways. He didn't say that previous sightings were ruled out. He said there has been a passage of time without any sighting.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Salem I hope you don't mind I am going to use your post just to jump off of.

When I ran away, both my mother and father were adamant that there was not a chance I would of done such a thing. Look how wonderful my life was.

I had a nice house, was starting school in a new area, had lots of new friends, nice clothes, a new stepfather. The fact was it was my mother that had the brand new house that she loved, was in a position now that she no longer had to work, she was the one meeting lots of new people, she did not have to worry so much about money thus she was fixated on material items, and her brand new husband was the love of her life NOT mine.

I did not want to move away from MY friends. I had to move into a new house, with a man I was determined not to like (even though he really was nice), I was tired of the tug and pull between my mother and my father. In a nutshell, the things that were important to her were not important to me.

I was lucky when I ran away that I did not meet up with a predator. This does not mean I was not a target for them, I simply got lucky. There are various types of predators. Most times we hear about RSO's, but rarely do we hear of various groups/individuals that actively "recruit" (my description) the type of kid I was or the individuals that rationalize what they do, as they believe they are going to provide a "better" life for the runaway. NOTE: I am not limiting this to the sex trade.

Dylan has 3 groups in his life. Yup 3 not 2. He has his family from his father's first marriage, his mother and brother namely ER and CR, and finally he has his father, namely MR. All 3 groups should be completely ashamed of themselves for various reasons, but mostly because they have closed their minds to ALL possibilities, and have instead chosen to mudsling instead of focusing on Dylan. The attacks have been done publicly, nationally and local, and through the use of multiple social media pages. It has been done maliciously, without thought of what is in the best interest of finding Dylan, and have been fuelled by outsiders that have not taken into consideration the dynamics of the families involved. The outsiders should be ashamed of themselves.

I don't know what happened here. I don't know who is responsible, what I do know is we are on thread 35.

Your post calls to mind this questions: How long has ER been with the "fiance"? I think the article I read said they moved into the new house about two weeks before Dylan went missing. Were ER and the "fiance" just dating up to that point? Or were they living together before that? Anyone know?

 

[Ronald99]

Shawn Hornbeck was 11 when he was kidnapped and held for those 2 or 3 years. He even had access to the internet, but was either so afraid or so brainwashed, he couldn't bring himself to leave a message.

Now I'm not saying I think this is what happened, nor do I think there has been enough time to brainwash Dylan (not that I know how long it takes) but it could be possible.

The other thing I wanted to respond to was all the comments about how do you keep a 13 year old off the phone. Actually, I think that is really easy. You don't let them use it. Lots of parents put limits on the amount of time a kid has to play on his/her phone. And if you take the phone away - well, then they can't use it all. It is possible. Again, not saying that is what is happening here, just saying, it is possible.

Salem

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=shawn%20horbeck%20left%20message%20on%20missing%20forum&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvoices.yahoo.com%2Fwhy-didnt-missing-boy-shawn-hornbeck-try-escape-172823.html&ei=1XocUfGANovI9gS1poHgDg&usg=AFQjCNHLh2G9MXsPTQdoZORVxOiKzH4lNQ&bvm=bv.42452523,d.eWU
( The question still remains did Shawn Hornbeck try to give hints to his family. It appears that he left a message on Shawnhornbeck.com under the name Shawn Devlin asking how long they intended to look for their son )

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[BeginnersLuck]

I am 99.9% sure that they would not share a charger. Apple uses a proprietary charger. Most phones have switched now to the mini-USB, although my sons old Pantech phone had not. Unless it was an Apple phone it would have had a different charger.

Holding back that .1% simply because I have no link so this is MOO.

To be able to answer the question, I think we would need to know the makes and models of both devices. I was so glad when the days were over where you had to buy a different charger for every model of cell phone that was made. Now, I can pick a universal one up at a gas station for $10-$15.

 

[cluciano63]

Your post calls to mind this questions: How long has ER been with the "fiance"? I think the article I read said they moved into the new house about two weeks before Dylan went missing. Were ER and the "fiance" just dating up to that point? Or were they living together before that? Anyone know?

Well, as far as I know, he used to be her husband, before MR. So not sure what you are getting at?

 

[cluciano63]

Well, that certainly can be interpreted in different ways. He didn't say that previous sightings were ruled out. He said there has been a passage of time without any sighting.

I believe he is just stating the reasons they decided Dylan was not a runaway. LE has never once indicated a last sighting on Monday, as far as I know, since they determined this to be a crime. I think the focus would be very heavy on Monday, instead of always referring to both dates, if they felt he had actually been seen on Monday.

 

[deoneta]

Well, that certainly can be interpreted in different ways. He didn't say that previous sightings were ruled out. He said there has been a passage of time without any sighting.

On 12-2:

Several possible sightings of Dylan were reported early on, but those have been discounted.


http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

"Without any sightings" seems pretty definitive to me. If these sightings haven't been ruled out, why isn't LE pursuing these leads? ALL MOO

 

[Salem]

I just wanted to add one:
e. Preplanned, but without the knowledge of either parent.

That's good Confusion. I hadn't thought of this really.

Interesting.......

Salem

 

[Babbi-Dan]

The discussion seems completely fruitless, since every time someone wants to explore any and all possibilities of what happened to Dylan the conversation is purposely derailed back to why MR did it.

"MR needs to tell what he did to him. MR has knows all the answers and is withholding them. MR is obviously drunk. MR hacked his FB account. MR is doing nothing to help find Dylan. His phone didn't work after 9:37 pm because of MR and many, many more."

It's a good thing LE doesn't investigate this way. Why is there so much insistence on keeping the focus on speculation of MR when there is no evidence? A lot of effort has been put into doing this.

I agree with you on this one BeginnersLuck. How many times have authorities stated that MR is not a suspect? I just don't get it. I get really frustrated when I see this and usually switch over to reading fmdr or just googling articles about Dylan. The admin are correct, of course, that people have the right to state their opinion. It just seems they are going on their personal feelings and not on evidence. LE obviously know more than we do about this, and they have repeatedly said MR is not a suspect. I take that to mean we need to be looking elsewhere. There are many possible scenarios, and I really like it when comments are made that show that posters are looking at and considering other possibilities. Those posts that insist MR did it ... I just skip them. I have been reading them for 35 threads now. I personally am looking for some new and fresh ideas. But that's just me. I guess I can see how those that feel he is responsible keep going back to him. But I just have to skip their comments.

 

[jjenny]

I agree with you on this one BeginnersLuck. How many times have authorities stated that MR is not a suspect? I just don't get it. I get really frustrated when I see this and usually switch over to reading fmdr or just googling articles about Dylan. The admin are correct, of course, that people have the right to state their opinion. It just seems they are going on their personal feelings and not on evidence. LE obviously know more than we do about this, and they have repeatedly said MR is not a suspect. I take that to mean we need to be looking elsewhere. There are many possible scenarios, and I really like it when comments are made that show that posters are looking at and considering other possibilities. Those posts that insist MR did it ... I just skip them. I have been reading them for 35 threads now. I personally am looking for some new and fresh ideas. But that's just me. I guess I can see how those that feel he is responsible keep going back to him. But I just have to skip their comments.

LE repeatedly said they have no suspects at all.
Which means nobody is a suspect. So using your logic, you shouldn't look anywhere, because apparently the child just disappeared into thin air.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Well, as far as I know, he used to be her husband, before MR. So not sure what you are getting at?

I was just wondering if perhaps Dylan didn't get along with his mom's fiance. Maybe Dylan didn't like him, or maybe they had words before Dylan left to see his dad. Boys don't always get along with their step-fathers.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

LE repeatedly said they have no suspects at all.
Which means nobody is a suspect. So using your logic, you shouldn't look anywhere, because apparently the child just disappeared into thin air.

Perhaps, but I was thinking more along the lines of we haven't found the "right" suspect yet. There is a "suspect" out there somewhere, I believe. But no one in the immediate picture is the person we need to be focusing on. We need to be thinking "outside the box," so to speak, to find the person.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

I just hope this case is solved soon! I don't think I can live with this frustration for years!

 

[cluciano63]

How long before November 18 was this trip decided upon by the courts? I was under the impression it was not very far in advance. It should be not beyond the scope of possibility for the parents to have listed everyone who not only knew about it and when it would take place, but also knew where MR lived. How many people could that be? And especially, how many that LE would not have been aware of and checked their alibis and made sure they are not also "missing"?

I am sorry, but that the idea of some slight acquaintance of MR's or ER's having this knowledge AND being some sort of child predator/kidnapper/what-have-you is pretty much beyond the pale to me. If we are talking an oddball neighbor or co-worker, surely such persons have been checked out.

Again, after three months, the abductor would also have to be missing, unless we are to assume he/she has Dylan tied to a chair in some cabin someplace and drives out there once a day to feed him. If so, what would be the purpose of even taking him? Most predators want to be with their victim, for however long they keep alive.

I really think the idea of Dylan being kidnapped in some premeditated manner is unlikely. Dylan should have been with his friends on Monday. He wasn't meant to even be there at the house. And if he was there, most likely MR would have been with him. When a child goes to visit a parent he sees only once in a while, the odds of catching that child are alone seem pretty much close to zero to me.

IMO, The only two possibilities now, if this was a crime and not some bear attack who also consumes backpacks and possibly fishing poles, is what LE said; something happened to Dylan at the house, or he accepted the wrong ride.

I do not believe he would head out to try to meet up with his friends without finding out where they were, nor do I believe he would watch TV and eat cereal without texting. If his phone would not work, even more reason to wait for his dad, who would at least drive him around town to look for R and friends, once they got to Bayfield.

LE thinks the fact that Dylan stopped communicating as of Sunday important and so do I.

 

[cluciano63]

I was just wondering if perhaps Dylan didn't get along with his mom's fiance. Maybe Dylan didn't like him, or maybe they had words before Dylan left to see his dad. Boys don't always get along with their step-fathers.

But then what? So he runs off the first day of his vacation away from this guy? Or do you suppose ER's boyfriend sent someone after him? I don't see how whether or not he got along with MH has a bearing on this. If anything, you would think Dylan would make a scene and refuse to leave at the end of the week. Why not at least have fun, see his friends?

 

[Confusion]

I was just wondering if perhaps Dylan didn't get along with his mom's fiance. Maybe Dylan didn't like him, or maybe they had words before Dylan left to see his dad. Boys don't always get along with their step-fathers.

I don't believe we're allowed to discuss that. MOO

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Good point cluciano63. It was just a thought. I don't recall any mention of how Dylan got along with his step-dad or if they had lived together before moving into this new house. Like I said, just a thought. I am trying to consider everything here. Looking under all the rocks, so to speak...

 

[Babbi-Dan]

I don't believe we're allowed to discuss that. MOO

Really? Why? It is just speculation. I am confused.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Going to bed now. It's way past my bedtime. Prayers for Dylan and his family.....

 

[cluciano63]

I just hope this case is solved soon! I don't think I can live with this frustration for years!

Sorry to say, many of us have been following cases for years that have never advanced past this point. And so many have only the word of a parent, or parents, who can't be ruled out, as to what happened. LE seems very much impaired in these cases when parents cannot be cleared and no one else seems to have seen the child after the parent did. It just seems like they remain in limbo. As much as I have some doubts about LE in this case, I do believe they are considering any and all persons brought to their attention. But if the right one never is, or if they have the right one there in front of them but can't prove it, they are just...stuck.