CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'm trying to think of cases where the parents are divorced or at least separated, missing child is older at least not a toddler, and one side of the family thought the other side disappeared the child.

The closest I can think of would be Kyron Horman, although he's pretty young, and there's been no arrest of TH, but we know the fam on both sides (mom and dad) thinks she (stepmom) is guilty.

That's the only case I can think of that would be somewhat similar.

Yes but she has never been cleared.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

The release of the information was done by LE who interviewed the tipster. How many unsolved cases are out there where a tip comes in YEARS later and it helps solve a case.

I don't understand the hesitance to want to check this out further or discount it as being a lie or useless information. Maybe this person saw MR doing something suspicious. If so many people think he did it, would you not want to talk to anyone who may have possibly seen something? This makes my hinky meter go up. It seems like people have gone to extremes to make sure the focus remains on MR and no other possibilities are explored, even ones that might help prove that he may have done something. I find this odd.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I know right. That page has gone radio silent. It's almost as if they are in shock?

My working theory is that FMDR doesn't want to get their response wrong. Every time the page has sunk into the petty or gossipy, it deletes some threads, resurfaces with a "let's be positive" message and goes forward. The search dogs are in town and I expect Denise and Elaine are helping them out somehow so who has time for the page? They have not interfered with LE efforts up to now and I expect the only difference this time is that the media picked up on this without FMDR's help this time. The other admin will probably post tonight, if I had to bet on it, and the tone will be one of keeping the focus on Dylan and welcoming the recent media. Lots of gossip mongering elsewhere on FB but I see no problem with FMDR being cautious. Posts by others referencing the tip news have been allowed to stand. I don't understand the need to bash FMDR, I really don't. Not the post I am replying to but previous ones. I think they're doing the best they can to steer a very large ship in very murky waters.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

IMO I don't think they think it is credible. There's a lot going on behind the scenes.

I'm going to suggest that everyone be cautious about this new lead.

I'm not saying it's not credible. I don't know. LE is obviously taking it seriously.

It's possible, if this person exists they may have seen MR somewhere where he didn't claim to be. Who knows?

But who are they to decide if it's credible or not? And does that mean they think this witness knows nothing? That the witness does not exist? The whole thing reeks of: This new information does not point to Mark, therefore it can't be possible.

They allow JK to post about his plan to rescue Dylan, by telling the perp that he call call anonymously, blah blah. But they won't post a new article about the case?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

The release of the information was done by LE who interviewed the tipster. How many unsolved cases are out there where a tip comes in YEARS later and it helps solve a case.

I don't understand the hesitance to want to check this out further or discount it as being a lie or useless information. Maybe this person saw MR doing something suspicious. If so many people think he did it, would you not want to talk to anyone who may have possibly seen something? This makes my hinky meter go up. It seems like people have gone to extremes to make sure the focus remains on MR and no other possibilities are explored, even ones that might help prove that he may have done something. I find this odd.

I agree that this person needs to be found and questioned. You have to realize that there were those discussing this Hispanic male prior to the tip being called in to LE. That's where the hinky meter goes up. That's all I'm saying.

 

[dlc]

Still not a thing posted by the admin on FMDR. This is one of the craziest things I've ever seen in a missing child case. Usually parents, especially mothers, jump all over the tiniest little tip. They're desperate to find their child, so they just jump on anything and everything. They'll spend thousands of dollars chasing tips, even from psychics. Phoenix Coldon's parents have now lost their home spending money on a bad PI to chase a shaky tip.

Now here's this tip, coming straight from LE, and not a single post on the official facebook. But they'll post to invite 10,000 to bash Mark about Dr Phil.

It just doesn't make sense. None. What a crazy case. I wonder where Dylan is.

Well, since you brought up Facebook, if people have been following the posts on there, they'll know that there's a lot about this sighting that's strange, and reasons why the family might not have jumped on it. Much has been deleted now; I don't know if anyone took screen shots or not. But the origins of the story are murky.

JMO.

Thanks.

 

[Lordeebee]

Investigators say the person interviewed came into contact with a man who asked where he could find gas for his vehicle. He also mentioned he was looking at rental properties. Fox 31 Denver BBM

If these are accurate media statements, then the gas was definitely for his vehicle, not a lawn mower, etc. Also not a person working at a rental property in the area, but looking for a rental.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

My working theory is that FMDR doesn't want to get their response wrong. Every time the page has sunk into the petty or gossipy, it deletes some threads, resurfaces with a "let's be positive" message and goes forward. The search dogs are in town and I expect Denise and Elaine are helping them out somehow so who has time for the page? They have not interfered with LE efforts up to now and I expect the only difference this time is that the media picked up on this without FMDR's help this time. The other admin will probably post tonight, if I had to bet on it, and the tone will be one of keeping the focus on Dylan and welcoming the recent media. Lots of gossip mongering elsewhere on FB but I see no problem with FMDR being cautious. Posts by others referencing the tip news have been allowed to stand. I don't understand the need to bash FMDR, I really don't. Not the post I am replying to but previous ones. I think they're doing the best they can to steer a very large ship in very murky waters.

I am going to be critical when they post about Mark refusing to do Dr. Phil, not taking Elaine's boyfriend's offer, and when they post about JK's plan to have the person who took Dylan send him an anonymous message...yet won't post a news article about the case that actually has new information.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Yes, a perfect area. I was looking at the RSO list in Durango last night. There weren't many Hispanics, that's why I was wondering what the Hispanic population was in that area. Granted the RSO list isn't going to give me accurate demographics but it did make me wonder. If the majority of the people that are in that area look like bearded mountain men..........maybe this guy would be more noticeable to someone.

I realize that most SO's aren't on the list. There are also alot of RSO's that are listed as transient or their where abouts are unknown.

I believe the Hispanic population is concentrated more heavily down in Pagosa Springs and Ignacio but both of these towns are not far from Bayfield or Vallecito. A Hispanic male is not going to be a surprise to see in southwestern Colorado.

 

[i8mypaint]

With this new info I'm trying to think of other plausible scenarios... Maybe Dylan saw something happen and someone had to take him because of what he saw? I'm probably way off but thought I would try to wrap my mind around this. JMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But who are they to decide if it's credible or not? And does that mean they think this witness knows nothing? That the witness does not exist? The whole thing reeks of: This new information does not point to Mark, therefore it can't be possible.

They allow JK to post about his plan to rescue Dylan, by telling the perp that he call call anonymously, blah blah. But they won't post a new article about the case?

I can't speak to what they think. Perhaps you should message them and ask?

IMO this new info does not point away from Mark. It's nothing more than a possible person who was in the area who may or may not have seen something.

 

[The Cheese]

Yes but she has never been cleared.

I know but that's the closest circumstances I can think of. Well actually, nobody's been cleared in Dylan's case, and I don't think LE ever cleared anyone in Kyron's case either.

 

[Lordeebee]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/team-looking-dylan-redwine-seeks-143100277.html

 

[azgrandma]

IMO LE is doing their job by asking for anyone that can be a potential witness to come forward. They have no idea what the witnesses may or may not say. They are using the timeline of Sunday to Monday because they have to go back to the actual last KNOWN and VERIFIED sighting of Dylan. In broadening the time frame, they are looking at all possible avenues.

When a tip comes in, they (LE) has an obligation to review it, some are so off the wall that they can immediately be discounted. Depending on how the tip was called in, LE could just pass by it not knowing what the tipster is actually adding to the investigation.
“This is John Doe, please give me a call at 234-5678, Thank you” LE calls the number, leaves a message and the guy never calls back. Or his mailbox is full and can’t receive a message.
In this case, they received a tip, spoke with the tipster and are following up on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Imagine what would happen during a criminal trial:
Defense Attorney: “Mr. Bender, do you remember receiving a tip about a 45-50 yo Hispanic male acting suspiciously on the morning of November 19, 2012”

Bender, “Yes I remember that tip”

Defense Attorney, “Did you ever try to locate this 45-50 yo Hispanic male?”

Bender, “No we did not”

Defense Attorney, “Why not?”

Bender, “Well it came in three months in to the investigation and we just didn’t think it was important to find this individual.”

Ok, so now the police have given reasonable doubt to every jury member on the panel. LE did not eliminate everyone except the defendant. Tunnel vision is not investigating. I don’t believe that it matters one bit that this tip just came in, I do believe that it matters one bit that LE is asking for this individual to come forward. IF there is ever a trial, LE can say with 10% confidence that they received a tip on a person that may be a witness and LE did everything in their power to find this witness.

 

[i8mypaint]

Well, since you brought up Facebook, if people have been following the posts on there, they'll know that there's a lot about this sighting that's strange, and reasons why the family might not have jumped on it. Much has been deleted now; I don't know if anyone took screen shots or not. But the origins of the story are murky.

JMO.

Thanks.

I was surprised no one had brought it up when it was posted. I can never figure out TOS and FB.

 

[Seajay]

I'm trying to think of cases where the parents are divorced or at least separated, missing child is older at least not a toddler, and one side of the family thought the other side disappeared the child.

The closest I can think of would be Kyron Horman, although he's pretty young, and there's been no arrest of TH, but we know the fam on both sides (mom and dad) thinks she (stepmom) is guilty.

That's the only case I can think of that would be somewhat similar.

And the Horman case is different too because TH is a step parent, not the bio parent. It's apples and oranges. If we were talking about MH disappearing Dylan instead of MR, then we would have an apples to apples comparison, IMO>

 

[The Cheese]

I can't speak to what they think. Perhaps you should message them and ask?

IMO this new info does not point away from Mark. It's nothing more than a possible person who was in the area who may or may not have seen something.

Agreed and that's the thing (or one of the things) that this is a potential witness. Even for those who think MR did something, this is a possible witness to get evidence that seems to be sorely lacking. I'm asking myself why someone would not want a witness found who may have seen what happened when Dylan disappeared that Monday. It's troubling.

 

[Seajay]

The release of the information was done by LE who interviewed the tipster. How many unsolved cases are out there where a tip comes in YEARS later and it helps solve a case.

I don't understand the hesitance to want to check this out further or discount it as being a lie or useless information. Maybe this person saw MR doing something suspicious. If so many people think he did it, would you not want to talk to anyone who may have possibly seen something? This makes my hinky meter go up. It seems like people have gone to extremes to make sure the focus remains on MR and no other possibilities are explored, even ones that might help prove that he may have done something. I find this odd.

Yup, I totally agree with you about this. I think this is worth exploring though one way or the other. I think the tip is credible. Now, whether they can find this guy and if he has something to add to the investigation is another story but to just discount the idea of this being credible has me :waitasec:

 

[Lordeebee]

"They may not feel what they saw has any connection to Dylan's disappearance. But we would like to hear from them and let Law Enforcement decide if it might be important."
Bender

Does this mean that LE believes this person might have seen something at or near MR's house? Or is this just basic LE-speak for this is a potential suspect but we don't want it to sound that way?

 

[The Cheese]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/team-looking-dylan-redwine-seeks-143100277.html

From this video "they are desperate for leads".

Also, Bender speaks over the phone a little bit on this video.