CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

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  • #321
Agreed and that's the thing (or one of the things) that this is a potential witness. Even for those who think MR did something, this is a possible witness to get evidence that seems to be sorely lacking. I'm asking myself why someone would not want a witness found who may have seen what happened when Dylan disappeared that Monday. It's troubling.

That's for sure. I'm preplexed by the reaction to this news. I can see being cautiously optimistic, but to completely ignore it or discount it out of hand just because? Makes one wonder why, ya know? What are they afraid of? Why wouldn't they want this tip to be true??? That sure looks like what it seems to me. IMO, MOO.
 
  • #322
jmo and I realize that y'all are discussing specifically the interview, but IMO the weight of importance is not just on one issue(ie. the interview, or how he chose to answer questions).. its looking at all the various issues..

of course there can be a legitimate excuse or reason for why or how someone chose to speak.. there are legitimate reasons for "irregularities" that vary from person to person..

its when issue, after issue is in need of an explanation ...when issue, after issue is problematic and does not add up that it becomes apparent that there is more to it .. IMO it is illogical for there to be necessary explanation and excuse time after time where Mark Redwine and his son's "disappearance" are concerned.jmo, tho and sorry that it veers slightly away from the specific discussion of the interview.

Yes, I agree. I am not saying it is just his words or mannerisms but I am saying that when you add those to everything else, including how he answered questions, it looks very suspicious to me and apparently to a lot of other folks too, so

Off the top of my head:

Phone and all other communication activity from Dylan comes to an abrupt halt no later than 9:37 or 9:27, Sunday night;

Dad has attorney appointment day after Dylan comes in;

Dad claims trying to reach him all morning but doesn't try land line (as far as we know)

Dylan never answers him, MR comes home, and Dylan along with all of his belongings are gone, but he TAKES A KNAP;

<modsnip>;

<modsnip>;

Dad stays away from public and <modsnip> instead of taking an active role in finding his son;

There seems to be no sense of urgency in finding Dylan;

Now, adding his choice of words in answer to specific questions:

"that boy meant the world to me" (distancing and past tense)

"...dump him off at Walmart" (an alive person isn't dumped...trash is dumped, bodies are dumped)

"...I was trying to rouse him...wake him up....45 minutes"

he changes back and forth from past tense to present tense when talking about the same event. Talking in the present tense about a past event often happens when someone is making up part of the story. There cannot be present tense when talking about a past event.

He has changed (not just added) significant details of his story.

Dad can give a pretty sensible and detailed report of what happened up until a certain point and then it gets fuzzy and he is all over the place:

they are tired but he is pacing, and he RAN upstairs to bed, and instead of Dylan telling him plans or them talking about plans together he says "there was some discussion" , "Dylan indicated" not said, just to name a few weird words. They are vague and distant words which are often used in telling lies without telling direct lies.

And I could go on, but for me it is a combination of all of that, and to answer TXLADY:

a solid reliable answer to "did you have anything to do with Dylan's disappearance?" would be "No, I did not kidnap my son, Dylan and I did not kill my son Dylan" because it is a direct statement. You are owning what you say when you use the pronoun "I" and you are specifically naming what you did not do and by saying my son and his name, you are showing closeness to him.
 
  • #323
I can't speak to what they think. Perhaps you should message them and ask?

IMO this new info does not point away from Mark. It's nothing more than a possible person who was in the area who may or may not have seen something.

This fellow may have seen MR do something HIGHLY suspicious.
This fellow may have done something to Dylan himself.
He may have seen a 3rd stranger do something to Dylan
or overheard some people talking about it .
Hopefully he saw or heard something of substance !
 
  • #324
And the Horman case is different too because TH is a step parent, not the bio parent. It's apples and oranges. If we were talking about MH disappearing Dylan instead of MR, then we would have an apples to apples comparison, IMO>

Yep it's the closest I could think of. Dylan's case circumstances are very unusual.
 
  • #325
This fellow may have seen MR do something HIGHLY suspicious.
This fellow may have done something to Dylan himself.
He may have seen a 3rd stranger do something to Dylan
or overheard some people talking about it .
Hopefully he saw or heard something of substance !

Did they mention a time they saw that man?
Was it morning or afternoon?
 
  • #326
But who are they to decide if it's credible or not? And does that mean they think this witness knows nothing? That the witness does not exist? The whole thing reeks of: This new information does not point to Mark, therefore it can't be possible.

They allow JK to post about his plan to rescue Dylan, by telling the perp that he call call anonymously, blah blah. But they won't post a new article about the case?
BBM
I think the new information could very well point to Mark.
 
  • #327
That's for sure. I'm preplexed by the reaction to this news. I can see being cautiously optimistic, but to completely ignore it or discount it out of hand just because? Makes one wonder why, ya know? What are they afraid of? Why wouldn't they want this tip to be true??? That sure looks like what it seems to me. IMO, MOO.

I personally don't think it should be ignored or discounted. What's the harm in trying to find this possible tipster and questioning him? LE has to follow up on this tip.

I think it's just suspicious to some that the idea of a Hispanic male in the woods was discussed prior to the tip being phoned in to LE. And I think there are those that think the way this tip was obtained might be questionable. I knew about this possible Hispanic male prior to the tip being phoned in and I know others here did too. I hope that makes sense. I don't know how much I can discuss here.
 
  • #328
Yes, I agree. I am not saying it is just his words or mannerisms but I am saying that when you add those to everything else, including how he answered questions, it looks very suspicious to me and apparently to a lot of other folks too, so

Off the top of my head:

Phone and all other communication activity from Dylan comes to an abrupt halt no later than 9:37 or 9:27, Sunday night;

Dad has attorney appointment day after Dylan comes in;

Dad claims trying to reach him all morning but doesn't try land line (as far as we know)

Dylan never answers him, MR comes home, and Dylan along with all of his belongings are gone, but he TAKES A KNAP;

<modsnip>;

<modsnip>;

Dad stays away from public and <modsnip> instead of taking an active role in finding his son;

There seems to be no sense of urgency in finding Dylan;

Now, adding his choice of words in answer to specific questions:

"that boy meant the world to me" (distancing and past tense)

"...dump him off at Walmart" (an alive person isn't dumped...trash is dumped, bodies are dumped)

"...I was trying to rouse him...wake him up....45 minutes"

he changes back and forth from past tense to present tense when talking about the same event. Talking in the present tense about a past event often happens when someone is making up part of the story. There cannot be present tense when talking about a past event.

He has changed (not just added) significant details of his story.

Dad can give a pretty sensible and detailed report of what happened up until a certain point and then it gets fuzzy and he is all over the place:

they are tired but he is pacing, and he RAN upstairs to bed, and instead of Dylan telling him plans or them talking about plans together he says "there was some discussion" , "Dylan indicated" not said, just to name a few weird words. They are vague and distant words which are often used in telling lies without telling direct lies.

And I could go on, but for me it is a combination of all of that, and to answer TXLADY:

a solid reliable answer to "did you have anything to do with Dylan's disappearance?" would be "No, I did not kidnap my son, Dylan and I did not kill my son Dylan" because it is a direct statement. You are owning what you say when you use the pronoun "I" and you are specifically naming what you did not do and by saying my son and his name, you are showing closeness to him.

As far as the statement analysis, many of the same discrepancies were noted by the analyzer in Sierra Lamars case and Jessica Ridgeways.

A lot of the other points that you mentioned above are rumor and speculation. LE may have the answers to a lot of these, but we are not privy.
 
  • #329
Now, adding his choice of words in answer to specific questions:

"that boy meant the world to me" (distancing and past tense)

"...dump him off at Walmart" (an alive person isn't dumped...trash is dumped, bodies are dumped)

"...I was trying to rouse him...wake him up....45 minutes"

he changes back and forth from past tense to present tense when talking about the same event. Talking in the present tense about a past event often happens when someone is making up part of the story. There cannot be present tense when talking about a past event.

He has changed (not just added) significant details of his story.

Dad can give a pretty sensible and detailed report of what happened up until a certain point and then it gets fuzzy and he is all over the place:

they are tired but he is pacing, and he RAN upstairs to bed, and instead of Dylan telling him plans or them talking about plans together he says "there was some discussion" , "Dylan indicated" not said, just to name a few weird words. They are vague and distant words which are often used in telling lies without telling direct lies.

And I could go on, but for me it is a combination of all of that, and to answer TXLADY:

a solid reliable answer to "did you have anything to do with Dylan's disappearance?" would be "No, I did not kidnap my son, Dylan and I did not kill my son Dylan" because it is a direct statement. You are owning what you say when you use the pronoun "I" and you are specifically naming what you did not do and by saying my son and his name, you are showing closeness to him.

Very respectfully snipping to just the part I'm referring to.

Could I have a link to the reference materials or whatever you're using to make these determinations about MR's language and statements? Thanks, SuperMom.
 
  • #330
Did they mention a time they saw that man?
Was it morning or afternoon?

One of the articles mentions morning. I posted a link to it last night a few pages back in the thread.
 
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  • #332
I personally don't think it should be ignored or discounted. What's the harm in trying to find this possible tipster and questioning him? LE has to follow up on this tip.

I think it's just suspicious to some that the idea of a Hispanic male in the woods was discussed prior to the tip being phoned in to LE. And I think there are those that think the way this tip was obtained might be questionable. I knew about this possible Hispanic male prior to the tip being phoned in and I know others here did too. I hope that makes sense. I don't know how much I can discuss here.

However LE got the info, whoever called in the tip, the thing is that LE talked to the person who saw the Hispanic guy, and found that person's tip credible enough to send out a press release, alert all the media, talk with the media, and alert the public.

This isn't that MR says he saw a Hispanic guy, or the PI says he saw the Hispanic guy, this is someone else who LE interviewed and found had info credible enough to alert the media and the public. I guess I just don't understand how that part could be suspicious.
 
  • #333
folks: do not discuss rumors.
 
  • #334
However LE got the info, whoever called in the tip, the thing is that LE talked to the person who saw the Hispanic guy, and found that person's tip credible enough to send out a press release, alert all the media, talk with the media, and alert the public.

This isn't that MR says he saw a Hispanic guy, or the PI says he saw the Hispanic guy, this is someone else who LE interviewed and found had info credible enough to alert the media and the public. I guess I just don't understand how that part could be suspicious.


We have no idea who the tipster is.
 
  • #335
Quote: (of Psychic Sleuth)
" What I am trying to figure out is how did MO the PI know about this tip before it was even called in to LE over the weekend? He posted on the FMDR page prior to the weekend that there was a hispanic male seen by MR's house early in the morning hours of the 19th that LE was looking for. Hmmm...how would he know this prior to LE knowing this? My hinky meter is running..."

Before I reply, I would like to say thank you to all of the amazing people who contribute to this forum. You are truly impressive. This is my first post. Hence, I will show my ignorance, no doubt. I tried to use the quote button, but my computer is quite old. It forgets that I am logged in. :)

What if MO spoke to someone who told him that they had given a tip to LE about a Hispanic man in the area "hiding in the bushes." I believe MO said. MO felt it was a significant tip and decided to make it public. LE did not deny the tip IIRC, they simply said they had not had any contact with MO. So the tip could have been on their books, but not significant to LE, until... What if MO's statement jogged the memory of a person or couple who had contact with a Hispanic man on the 19th? Then they called in their tip. LE took notice. JMO (such as it is.)

:Welcome1: AnotherSet of Eyes!

thank you for your thoughtful post!

:seeya:
 
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  • #337
It seems to me that official page is unwilling to discuss anything other than parental involvement, as they refuse to believe Dylan might not be coming back. I mean, they were celebrating the arrival of a cadaver dog...not at all accepting of what that means, when the dog handler was pretty clear. JMO
 
  • #338
Very respectfully snipping to just the part I'm referring to.

Could I have a link to the reference materials or whatever you're using to make these determinations about MR's language and statements? Thanks, SuperMom.

IMO the references were not meant to be a professional analysis, but more of an "add it all up and what do you see/feel". From there, it's fairly obvious that all of us see/feel something different.
 
  • #339
And here's another VERY HYPOTHETICAL thought/question.

What IF MR called the tip in? Would LE be required to follow up on it? I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. I'm just asking a hypothetical question.

What IF MR told LE that he saw a man fitting this description that morning and LE never did anything to follow up on it? MR decides to call the tip in to LE. Is LE required to treat it like any other tip or would it be different?

NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED AND IT'S PROBABLY FAR FETCHED BUT THIS DAWNED ON ME AS A POSSIBILTY.
 
  • #340
folks: do not discuss rumors.

Sorry Nurse :(
I was hoping someone could say it was a fact and not a rumor ! Because I don't really know. I gotta admit something and most of you have probably already guessed.............. I don't always click links and read the pressers ! :blushing:
 
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