CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[Eileen730]

We live in a rural area here. Doing so can tend to make some folks feel even more safe, not less safe. Most people I know that live out in the middle of nowhere do so because they don't feel safe in the city were all the crime takes place. I am just saying that considering all of the circumstances, I would have done the same thing that MR did. Others, of course, would not. I'm just saying that from where I stand his behavior that day, to me, doesn't automatically point to him being the bad guy here. But then, that's JMO.

I hear ya Im not saying you cant leave them alone what I have issue with is coming home and finding him gone without a trace! And then taking a nap.
Esp if you text him and there is no reply and there was no reply when you tried earlier.
This child didnt drive. He had a bike but it was still outside!
Bike is still there but a fishing pole is gone?
Just does not add up to me.

I question this man I really do, JMO

 

[Babbi-Dan]

I hear ya Im not saying you cant leave them alone what I have issue with is coming home and finding him gone without a trace! And then taking a nap.
Esp if you text him and there is no reply and there was no reply when you tried earlier.
This child didnt drive. He had a bike but it was still outside!
Bike is still there but a fishing pole is gone?
Just does not add up to me.

I question this man I really do, JMO

The river is basically right across the street from MR's home. Dylan would not have needed his bike to walk across the street and through a yard to go fishing. If he had planned to go the the lake, then he would have taken his bike. There are some things MR has done that "are" suspicious to me, don't get me wrong. But coming home and finding Dylan out and about and not being concerned is not one of them.

 

[Eileen730]

Back in my childhood we would eat breakfast then head out on our bikes. Our rule was to head home when the street lights came on. We ate lunch at our friends homes. Our parents wouldn't see us all day long! Boy, times sure have changed! I suppose that many of us here have these same memories, and as such, are being influenced they what we have experienced in our own lives. Younger parents might automatically jump to something suspicious happening where us older folks don't.

We did too. But were were a group a pack no phones I also know we our parents didnt hear about abductions like we do now. Its scarey.
But I dont believe D was Abducted.

 

[Eileen730]

The river is basically right across the street from MR's home. Dylan would not have needed his bike to walk across the street and through a yard to go fishing. If he had planned to go the the lake, then he would have taken his bike. There are some things MR has done that "are" suspicious to me, don't get me wrong. But coming home and finding Dylan out and about and not being concerned is not one of them.

True that but why take your back pack and all your clothes to go fising?
Why didnt he call R when he got up and said Hey I overslept Im waiting for Dad. but NO ONE heard from him at all.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Shawn Hornbeck and Ben Ownby took place in my neck of the woods. The parents were the last ones to see Shawn alive and many speculated that they were involved. We now know they were not and were victims not only of having their son kidnapped but of being thought of as the perps. I understand why people might think MR was involved. I did too in the beginning. But the more I have read and seen, and seeing in many, many articles that MR is not a suspect, makes me think LE is trying to lead people to consider other options. They could just be saying that of course, to give MR a false sense of security. Who knows for sure? JMO...

 

[SCHMAE]

The discussion seems completely fruitless, since every time someone wants to explore any and all possibilities of what happened to Dylan the conversation is purposely derailed back to why MR did it.

"MR needs to tell what he did to him. MR has knows all the answers and is withholding them. MR is obviously drunk. MR hacked his FB account. MR is doing nothing to help find Dylan. His phone didn't work after 9:37 pm because of MR and many, many more."

It's a good thing LE doesn't investigate this way. Why is there so much insistence on keeping the focus on speculation of MR when there is no evidence? A lot of effort has been put into doing this.

What avenues would you like explored? Do you have a ' working theory' on what happened?

 

[SCHMAE]

I don't mean to keep posting, but the idea that someone close to a parent has Dylan hidden inside their home is just too out there for me. Again, he is fourteen. He would have to be tied up. Kept a prisoner. He is not simply going to agree to stay put, surrender his life, friends, brother, dog, etc. because, perhaps, someone tells him they are doing it for him.

IMO, Dylan is no longer alive. He is not of an age that makes me believe any scenario that someone has him to "keep" him. He either met evil at his father's home, on the "road", or fell into a well, backpack and all.

What about a basement? In Texas no one has a basement but up north and colder areas they do and some of those basements are pretty secure, pretty sound proof, pretty well a dungeon !

 

[SCHMAE]

Yeah, but were you ever IN that position? Did you ever have to leave your 13 year old behind alone in an unfamiliar place (to him) when you'd be over an hour away? If you don't run into that situation, you don't think about it. I leave my 13 year old at home when I'm an hour away all the time, but I KNOW we have a land line that I can get him on in an emergency. And I have had occasion where he called having locked himself in the safe room (back bathroom with reinforced door, a phone and a lock) because someone was beating on the front door (he had 911 on the other line). So we kind of go with our experiences.

Sorry but Dylan had lived in town with dad and been to his home lots of times, presumably so it was a second home to him, not unfamiliar. Unless I missed something and MR had just bought this place?

 

[Eileen730]

Shawn Hornbeck and Ben Ownby took place in my neck of the woods. The parents were the last ones to see Shawn alive and many speculated that they were involved. We now know they were not and were victims not only of having their son kidnapped but of being thought of as the perps. I understand why people might think MR was involved. I did too in the beginning. But the more I have read and seen, and seeing in many, many articles that MR is not a suspect, makes me think LE is trying to lead people to consider other options. They could just be saying that of course, to give MR a false sense of security. Who knows for sure? JMO...

Hey I agree and as you see those last seen with a missing person are put under the microscope! As they should be till they can be ruled out!
And I dont think we will ever find out what happend here.

 

[Agent.Veritas]

something that bothered me all night. Why haven't the police asked people to look for anyone that may be acting different, similar to when Jessica was missing?

You know, anyone who has recently changed their appearance, called in sick on or suddenly took an unexpected trip, etc.

I remember when one of my kids came home after a stranger-danger presentation at school and shared a different definition for "stranger"

A stranger isn't always someone you don't know-- a stranger is anyone who is acting strange.

Even if it someone you know, if the person is behaving in a strange way, use caution. Get help.

I think this is a VERY good way to present the concept to kids.

 

[Eileen730]

I remember when one of my kids came home after a stranger-danger presentation at school and shared a different definition for "stranger"

A stranger isn't always someone you don't know-- a stranger is anyone who is acting strange.

Even if it someone you know, if the person is behaving in a strange way, use caution. Get help.

I think this is a VERY good way to present the concept to kids.

I always told my kids If YOU have a bad Feeling about something get the Heck out of there. Your feeling and intuitions are usually right!

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Hey I agree and as you see those last seen with a missing person are put under the microscope! As they should be till they can be ruled out!
And I dont think we will ever find out what happend here.

BBM. I sure hope you are wrong! For some reason this little guy is in my mind all day and even when I dream. Perhaps it is because we went through this with Ben Ownby and Shawn Hornbeck years ago. I know how it feels to be driving along thinking he could be in any home, any bunch of bushes, any dumpster, any trunk of any car, any shed, any ditch, any body of water, any pile of manure....etc. I was the sub bus driver for Ben Ownby a week or two before he was abducted. This really hits home for me, even though I don't know Dylan or any of his family.

 

[TxLady2]

I guess I'll have to do some thinking on this - my understanding seems to be different from everybody else's. I thought that “My ex-wife and I both agree that Dylan is not the kind of kid that would run away but I also think that there’s a possibility that Dylan was torn between his parents,” meant that he's not the type, but he might have done it for this reason; something like, "I don't care for spaghetti, but I'll eat it if I'm really hungry."

I didn't think the other part meant that DR had a choice about whether he went home or not, but more that he was concerned about the effect their conflict might be having on him if he does have any access to the media. Now I have to decide if I agree more with what I think or with what everybody else does. :waitasec: MOO

There have been many parents who say their child is not the type to do this or that, and they ended up eating their words, because that's exactly what the child did. Sometimes we don't know our kids as well as we think we do. And even if a child would not be the type to run away, it has to be very hard on any child to watch the two people they care about the most fighting and arguing every time they see or talk to each other. That would be reason enough for some kids to get the heck out of Dodge.

I recall a few times when I was a kid, my parents got into a big argument and my mother decided to leave. She never did actually leave, somehow she always managed to change her mind, but while she was packing she would tell me I had a choice, I could go with her or stay with my dad. It was terrible... I could not decide who I wanted to be with. Thank God I was never actually put to that test! If that had been the atmosphere around our house on a frequent basis, I have no doubt I would have probably wanted to run away, and may have done it.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

There have been many parents who say their child is not the type to do this or that, and they ended up eating their words, because that's exactly what the child did. Sometimes we don't know our kids as well as we think we do. And even if a child would not be the type to run away, it has to be very hard on any child to watch the two people they care about the most fighting and arguing every time they see or talk to each other. That would be reason enough for some kids to get the heck out of Dodge.

I recall a few times when I was a kid, my parents got into a big argument and my mother decided to leave. She never did actually leave, somehow she always managed to change her mind, but while she was packing she would tell me I had a choice, I could go with her or stay with my dad. It was terrible... I could not decide who I wanted to be with. Thank God I was never actually put to that test! If that had been the atmosphere around our house on a frequent basis, I have no doubt I would have probably wanted to run away, and may have done it.

BBM. Ha! Ask any school bus driver and they can tell you the kids WILL do things the parents say they wouldn't do. Many times we had parents call in and yell and scream that the bus driver was wrong on the write-up. We kindly invited the parents in to watch the film of their little darling doing exactly what we said they did.

 

[Eileen730]

BBM. I sure hope you are wrong! For some reason this little guy is in my mind all day and even when I dream. Perhaps it is because we went through this with Ben Ownby and Shawn Hornbeck years ago. I know how it feels to be driving along thinking he could be in any home, any bunch of bushes, any dumpster, any trunk of any car, any shed, any ditch, any body of water, any pile of manure....etc. I was the sub bus driver for Ben Ownby a week or two before he was abducted. This really hits home for me, even though I don't know Dylan or any of his family.

Hey I hear you and totally uderstand.
I do not see a happy ending here!
JMO

 

[Babbi-Dan]

I'm still thinking it "might" be a possiblity that Dylan ran away and was "then" abducted. A small possibility, but a possibility. We don't know what he was texting his friends the night before. The fact that they too were not concerned about Dylan not showing up leaves me scratching my head too.

 

[TxLady2]

Gosh, maybe it was better when MR wouldn't talk...he doesn't do himself any favors.

Why does he think he has to keep coming up with his "theories"? I thought he was content to leave it to LE. And LE thinks Dylan is a crime victim.

Maybe because reporters are asking him what he thinks happened? Is he not supposed to answer when he's asked?

People have complained because he wasn't saying anything, now he does, and nobody likes what he is saying. You know, he has the right to think whatever he wants to about what happened to his son, just the same as Elaine does. If they prefer to think he is alive and being hidden somewhere and is not being abused or tortured, or worse ... who are we to say they're wrong?

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Does anyone know if they are planning to do any more fund raisers to raise the reward?

 

[mmmagique]

Shawn Hornbeck was 11 when he was kidnapped and held for those 2 or 3 years. He even had access to the internet, but was either so afraid or so brainwashed, he couldn't bring himself to leave a message.

Now I'm not saying I think this is what happened, nor do I think there has been enough time to brainwash Dylan (not that I know how long it takes) but it could be possible.

The other thing I wanted to respond to was all the comments about how do you keep a 13 year old off the phone. Actually, I think that is really easy. You don't let them use it. Lots of parents put limits on the amount of time a kid has to play on his/her phone. And if you take the phone away - well, then they can't use it all. It is possible. Again, not saying that is what is happening here, just saying, it is possible.

Salem

FR:

There is (imo) a big difference between an 11 year old and a 13 year old. My girls were recently those ages, and you wouldn't think two years is a big difference, but it's HUGE. Just the same as there is a big difference between a 13 year old and a 15 year old. This is a time when big changes occur in the brain. I don't believe someone could control a 13 year old in the same way as one could control an 11 year old. (jmo)

 

[mmmagique]

I've given my theory before, but here it is again...I think Dylan could have been outside, checking the weather, trying to catch MR as he left, whatever. I think he could have been seen by someone (probably that he knew but could be a stranger) driving by, engaged in conversation, offered a ride if "he was real quick," grabbed everything (jamming his stuff into his backpack), ran out the door thinking he could call on the road, and into the car where the phone was taken from him and destroyed.

As for the pole, I've been wondering if Dylan did accept a ride or if he walked somewhere, could it possibly have been to the lake to see if his friend T was there? thinking he could kill a couple hours while he waited for his dad to come back for him so he grabbed the pole too?

Ok. But then why would he take his backpack?