CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[Lordeebee]

my guess would be to identify any vehicles going into or out of the area as to the time period in question.

re: all the other possibilities that have not been ruled out, namely abduction

Right, but why? If MR's story is true and Dylan was with him safely on the drive home and safely all night long, and was fine in the morning when MR left for errands, then why was LE looking for OTHER vehicles that were in the area the night before he went missing?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Here's a description from Beth Karas of how the abductor was able to keep Shawn Hornbeck -

Q: What was captivity like for Shawn Hornbeck? Is it true he tried to contact his family?

A: Shawn described his first month as particularly torturous. He was tied to a futon and had duct tape over his mouth so he couldn’t yell or scream while Devlin was at work. But the abuse didn’t stop there, Shawn was also sexually abused. After a month, Devlin had complete control over Shawn and slowly permitted more liberty to him. In time, Shawn had a cell phone, access to the internet, he made a friend, and even ventured out of the home. It is true that Shawn tried to contact his family via the internet. He posted a message to them asking how long they planned to search for their son. He called himself “Shawn Devlin,” hoping his family would take the hint. His father saw the message but didn’t put it together.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/1...ben-nancy-grace-mysteries-investigation-day-5

Thanks for bringing this story to my attention. Here's a quote from Shawn.

"From day one, he had the gun, he had the power. I was powerless. There's nothing I could physically do," he explains.

I think that whether an abducted child is 11 or 13, if the perpetrator has a gun it would be difficult for them to escape. MOO.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-4474670.html

 

[Lordeebee]

I searched and searched. I could not find anything stating LE ruled out what the postal work reported seeing. LE even asked to talk to the two boys that were allegedly seen. Nothing has been reported to claim who these two boys were. It is possible the postal workers claim is not credible, but we have nothing from LE. The postal worker recognized Dylan, but no mention of recognizing the other boy. In my opinion, it is important to remember that perps come in all shapes and sizes.

Snip- A postal worker who knows Dylan reported possibly seeing him walking along County Road 501 in Vallecito Monday afternoon with another boy about the same age. Both had backpacks.

Investigators have not been able to determine who the two boys were that the postal worker saw. Both boys were said to be wearing hoodies and dark backpacks. The sheriff’s office is asking anyone who may fit that description and who was in that area around 2 p.m. last Monday, to contact La Plata Sheriff’s Investigator Tonya Golbricht at 970-382-7019. Whoever it may have been is not in trouble. Investigators just want to determine if it was Dylan the postal worker saw or if it was two other boys.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/-/s...in-bayfield-area-for-missing-dylan-redwine-13

Someone posted a quote a few pages back that said that LE had ruled out those possibilities, I wish I would have saved it.

 

[rebeccaeee]

No, let ME apologize. I gave you the short version and I shouldn't have. I brought this very topic up a time or two and it was glossed over. I think if Dylan was happy or not is a very important issue as to where his head was during the time of his disappearance. In fact, I should be a main factor in all of this.

His Mom was living the "Life of Riley" but was he??? Maybe her life was beer and skittles but his wasn't. You make a very valid point Babbi.

One I wish we could discuss. I guess we can, in general, like we are now. But we can't get into specifics. Like you, I noticed in many of Dylan's pictures he is not smiling and in fact looks miserable in some or is standing apart from everyone else in the picture.

And if this poor little dude had to be around the kind of conflict we've seen played out in the media, I wouldn't blame him to disappearing. These people are enough to make you drink.

I really wish we could get more into the dynamic of Dylan's newest environment because it could very well play an important part in what happened.

Well- he had made new friends. One from Co. Springs who has been visible and vocal at events. Another girl who has been visible and vocal on the FMDR page. My perception is that he was doing okay with his peers up there, making friends, hanging out, looking at girls. All totally normal 13 yo boy behavior. I guess the best expert on his state of mind might be CR who hasn't addressed this issue in MSM.

 

[Lordeebee]

On 12-2:

Several possible sightings of Dylan were reported early on, but those have been discounted.


http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

"Without any sightings" seems pretty definitive to me. If these sightings haven't been ruled out, why isn't LE pursuing these leads? ALL MOO

Found it

 

[Dee10]

According to the news release about 3 weeks ago, the one that had the new time-line IIRC. LE stated MR was the last identified person that saw Dylan. I take that to mean all sitings have been dismissed for whatever reason. Sorry, I am in the middle of payroll & don't have the link handy.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

If parents say my child would "never" do such and such, is that the same as a parent saying they would "never" do anything to harm their child?

I don't believe Dylan would have run away because at some point he would have contacted someone and he hasn't.

JMO

He could have run away and then been abducted within a short period of time I guess. Maybe a remote possibility, but a possibility nonetheless. Intended to run away, hitched a ride to do so, but met up with a predator. Unlikely, as someone stated earlier, since he really wanted to see his friends. He would be more likely to do something like this at the end of the week instead of the beginning of the week.
:moo:

 

[*Lash*]

If Dylan's cellphone battery died, he would not have access to his contacts. It might have been impossible for him to use the landline to call his friends because he did not have their phone numbers memorized. You can't make a call if you don't know the phone number. I personally don't know 99% of my friends or families phone numbers. I just have them saved in my contacts on my cellphone.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

R is a child MR is dylans father why should R be concerned when D's dad didnt let him go the night before He probably figured Dylan had to bail yet again and wasnt coming. Why would R be concerned?

I am not sure that "concerned" is the correct word here. It seems that Dylan and R made plans for Dylan to meet up with R the next morning at 6:30. Dylan didn't show up. R sent a text at 6:46 (I think). Then nothing again until 10:00. No follow-up text for nearly three hours? I just find that odd. And it sounds like R and MR both didn't realize something was wrong with Dylan's phone. JMO....

 

[deoneta]

Why was their never a description of the missing fishing pole? If someone found an abandoned rod and reel at the river or lake or on the side of the road, many might think, "my good luck." But if the finder or one of his friends or family knew that a (for the sake of example) Zebco 33 rod and reel combo was part of a missing child investigation, they would likely call LE. Someone might notice a change of behavior or uncharacteristic behavior, discarding or washing clothes, detailing a car, odd injuries, etc. and if that same person had a mysteriously acquired rod also, it could lead to someone calling in a tip. Maybe I watch too much TV.

My theory is that the missing rod was something to point searchers to water, the river, the lake or the dam. I also have my doubts about the movie and the nap. Something to explain hours of unaccounted time without supplying much detail by way of explanation. All MOO

 

[asyousay]

I am not sure that "concerned" is the correct word here. It seems that Dylan and R made plans for Dylan to meet up with R the next morning at 6:30. Dylan didn't show up. R sent a text at 6:46 (I think). Then nothing again until 10:00. No follow-up text for nearly three hours? I just find that odd. And it sounds like R and MR both didn't realize something was wrong with Dylan's phone. JMO....

R is a young teenager and more than likely went back to sleep.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

R is a young teenager and more than likely went back to sleep.

The same thing could be said about Dylan. Mark tried to get him up and he went back to sleep. MOO.

 

[*Lash*]

Analyzing the word choice of anybody involved-- MR, ER, LE, MSM-- is a bitter pill for me. I realize that plenty of people-- especially in LE--have dedicated their lives and careers to this, and that many positive things have probably come from it, but there are just so many variables.

Sierra Lamar's mother used past tense in some of her communications. She was scrutinized heavily for her word choice. Ultimately a stranger was arrested, charged with kidnapping and murder. I think statement analysis can be useful, but like a polygraph it has its flaws.

 

[deoneta]

If Dylan's cellphone battery died, he would not have access to his contacts. It might have been impossible for him to use the landline to call his friends because he did not have their phone numbers memorized. You can't make a call if you don't know the phone number. I personally don't know 99% of my friends or families phone numbers. I just have them saved in my contacts on my cellphone.

If his battery died, why wouldn't he have plugged it in the charger? If his cell phone died, I think he might have called his mom on the landline and asked for his Christmas present of the new phone early. I would think he'd know the last names of most of his friends and called 411 until he found some parent with a landline. He probably knew where some of the parents worked, and he could have reached someone that way. He could have called his father's employer if he didn't have MR's cell number memorized. I know that is all a lot of work, but it's nothing compared to setting out on his own with all his belongings and a fishing pole hoping to hitch a ride. I just can't buy that because his cell wasn't working he was totally cut off from the world and his only recourse would be to leave instead of, simplest solution of all, waiting for his dad to return. All MOO

 

[Eileen730]

He could have run away and then been abducted within a short period of time I guess. Maybe a remote possibility, but a possibility nonetheless. Intended to run away, hitched a ride to do so, but met up with a predator. Unlikely, as someone stated earlier, since he really wanted to see his friends. He would be more likely to do something like this at the end of the week instead of the beginning of the week.
:moo:

Well LE has rule out running away! Ok so if he didnt run away he didnt leave the house to run away and get abducted by a stranger right?

 

[Eileen730]

Sierra Lamar's mother used past tense in some of her communications. She was scrutinized heavily for her word choice. Ultimately a stranger was arrested, charged with kidnapping and murder. I think statement analysis can be useful, but like a polygraph it has its flaws.

I think Sierra's mom knew early on her Daughter was dead. We didnt but IMO she did.
JMO

 

[Seajay]

If his battery died, why wouldn't he have plugged it in the charger? If his cell phone died, I think he might have called his mom on the landline and asked for his Christmas present of the new phone early. I would think he'd know the last names of most of his friends and called 411 until he found some parent with a landline. He probably knew where some of the parents worked, and he could have reached someone that way. He could have called his father's employer if he didn't have MR's cell number memorized. I know that is all a lot of work, but it's nothing compared to setting out on his own with all his belongings and a fishing pole hoping to hitch a ride. I just can't buy that because his cell wasn't working he was totally cut off from the world and his only recourse would be to leave instead of, simplest solution of all, waiting for his dad to return. All MOO

He's 13, not 33. Too much logic and credit and thought for this to have happened. Teens don't think like that IMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If his battery died, why wouldn't he have plugged it in the charger? If his cell phone died, I think he might have called his mom on the landline and asked for his Christmas present of the new phone early. I would think he'd know the last names of most of his friends and called 411 until he found some parent with a landline. He probably knew where some of the parents worked, and he could have reached someone that way. He could have called his father's employer if he didn't have MR's cell number memorized. I know that is all a lot of work, but it's nothing compared to setting out on his own with all his belongings and a fishing pole hoping to hitch a ride. I just can't buy that because his cell wasn't working he was totally cut off from the world and his only recourse would be to leave instead of, simplest solution of all, waiting for his dad to return. All MOO

I see in your post a lot of things that Dylan could have done. Some of these things we know he didn't do. Does that mean it's because he was unable to or that he chose not to? I can't answer that question.

 

[Eileen730]

The same thing could be said about Dylan. Mark tried to get him up and he went back to sleep. MOO.

R woke up and was waiting for him!
We dont know if he went back to sleep.


From Dylans texts the night before R may have thought it best to wait to hear from Dylan that maybe DAD wasnt going to let him come again!

If Dylan was in that house he would have gotten up!

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

R woke up and was waiting for him!
We dont know if he went back to sleep.


From Dylans texts the night before R may have thought it best to wait to hear from Dylan that maybe DAD wasnt going to let him come again!

If Dylan was in that house he would have gotten up!

JMO

BBM

I never said that R went back to sleep.