CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[*Lash*]

my guess would be to identify any vehicles going into or out of the area as to the time period in question.

re: all the other possibilities that have not been ruled out, namely abduction

Also, since the tipster did not see the vehicle, maybe someone else did see an abandoned vehicle on the road Monday morning. Allegedly the Hispanic male ran out of gas, he either left his vehicle on the side of the road or maybe even left it parked where he was allegedly looking for rental properties. Someone could possibly identify the vehicle.

In my opinion, it is also possible the tipster was vacationing. It was a holiday weekend. Maybe they were even staying at a rental on a holiday trip? Not a local. Depending on their primary home location, Dylan's disappearance may not have been covered by the media. Just something to ponder when asking why they came forward three months later. If indeed it was 3 months later. LE is not obliged to tell us all the facts during an open investigation. The Force Investigators will not identify the person they interviewed over the weekend and will not say where the interview took place.

 

[Kamille]

Just catching up after watching the most recent "interview" with MR. We really do need to see the entire thing to put what he's saying in context IMO.

Was just thinking that the interview was attached to a story that he has agreed to appear on Dr Phil...sometime. Perhaps his declarations of Dylan perhaps being able to see his parent's bickering was in regards to that appearance. He's either setting the stage for why he ultimately decides it's just not a good idea, or he's going to appear on the show with some ultimatums about what he will and will not do or discuss. Just my opinion of course.

With regard to the hispanic male that was supposedly in the area that day, I am once again wondering why MR's job and life outside of Bayfield,Colorado is such a secret? What are his living arrangements when he's away? Who does he know that may live in the area in which he's working? The TM that spent 21/2 weeks at Christmas with him, is she local or from out of state. TM has a hispanic name. New Mexico would likely have many more hispanics than Bayfield Colorado. And it's close to the border with Mexico is it not? I assume that LE have gone through MR's acquaintences with a fine tooth comb but I have to wonder how well that can be accomplished with someone who is so "transient" for lack of a better word.

MOO

 

[all9ofus]

I've been thinking about the missing fishing pole. Mark said that he noticed it was missing. Does that mean that Dylan had to take it with him when he disappeared?

Maybe the fishing pole was lost or stolen before Nov 19th and Mark didn't notice it was gone until he went to look for it. It could have been accidentally left behind when it was last used or it could have been left in the back of Mark's truck and stolen. MOO.

Several threads ago I posted a theory about the fishing pole. Is it possible that the fishing pole never existed and is being mentioned to lead LE to find Dylan in the lake? I believe that this could make sense if something happened in a fit of rage that resulted in Dylan ending up in the lake. It would mean that after the event the responsible party was suffering from guilt. It would also mean that they were confident (cocky) enough to believe that they could not be tied to Dylan being there.

 

[asyousay]

The same thing could be said about Dylan. Mark tried to get him up and he went back to sleep. MOO.

Apart from the fact it was Dylan who made all the plans for 6.30am so its very different IMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Several threads ago I posted a theory about the fishing pole. Is it possible that the fishing pole never existed and is being mentioned to lead LE to find Dylan in the lake? I believe that this could make sense if something happened in a fit of rage that resulted in Dylan ending up in the lake. It would mean that after the event the responsible party was suffering from guilt. It would also mean that they were confident (cocky) enough to believe that they could not be tied to Dylan being there.

I was following along with you until the last sentence. It's obvious that your talking about Mark. How could he feel confident that LE couldn't tie him to the lake? The rest of your post seems possible.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Apart from the fact it was Dylan who made all the plans for 6.30am so its very different IMO.

I don't get your post at all. Why does Dylan being the one who "made all the plans" so different from R in regards to teenagers wanting to go back to sleep?

 

[SCHMAE]

So I've been thinking about past tense language. Think about this .
What was your child / spouse/ friend wearing last time you saw them?
They're alive and well , mind you .
In your mind did you think " My sister IS wearing a red shirt and blue jeans
and she HAS her hair in a braid'' ? Or did you think ' My sister was wearing a
red shirt and blue jeans and had her hair in a braid ' ?

I'm thinking right now of my kids when they left today and if someone asked
I would say " She was wearing her black t shirt and she had her glasses on " Those are past tense. But they're present ! Could this explain some of MR's statements?

By the way , ya'll are totally not playing the game right

 

[asyousay]

I don't get your post at all. Why does Dylan being the one who "made all the plans" so different from R in regards to teenagers wanting to go back to sleep?

Because Dylan was the one who wanted to visit at 6.30am . I don't know how to explain this any clearer ?!

He made all the plans so it seemed important to Dylan that he get there as soon as possible. So why when he was so desperate to see R would he go back to sleep when the night before he was so anxious to visit him.

 

[all9ofus]

I was following along with you until the last sentence. It's obvious that your talking about Mark. How could he feel confident that LE couldn't tie him to the lake? The rest of your post seems possible.

I believe very few people would feel enough guilt to risk leading LE directly to a body when they were responsible for putting it there UNLESS they are cocky enough to believe that LE will view it as an accident, at the hands of someone else, etc. There are true cases out there where criminals lead LE to the victim, even taunted LE in the process because they were confident that it couldn't be tied to them. BTK killer is a good example of this type of behavior.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Because Dylan was the one who wanted to visit at 6.30am . I don't know how to explain this any clearer ?!

He made all the plans so it seemed important to Dylan that he get there as soon as possible. So why when he was so desperate to see R would he go back to sleep when the night before he was so anxious to visit him.

I think that R also felt it was important to see Dylan at that early hour. I see no difference between the two of them. If one of them could go back to sleep because it's not uncommon for a teenager, then why not both?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I believe very few people would feel enough guilt to risk leading LE directly to a body when they were responsible for putting it there UNLESS they are cocky enough to believe that LE will view it as an accident, at the hands of someone else, etc. There are true cases out there where criminals lead LE to the victim, even taunted LE in the process because they were confident that it couldn't be tied to them. BTK killer is a good example of this type of behavior.

So your saying more "cocky" than "confident". Thanks.

 

[deoneta]

I was following along with you until the last sentence. It's obvious that your talking about Mark. How could he feel confident that LE couldn't tie him to the lake? The rest of your post seems possible.

I'm not the original poster, but I have had the same idea. In my theory, a missing fishing pole and a water recovery might appear to add up to an accident, ie Dylan had gone off to fish and met with an accident or foul play . All MOO

 

[Kamille]

Does anyone know if the highway/route between Vallecito and Bayfield was ever searched? And if not, why not?

Why was there a large LE led, volunteer search planned of the road between Vallecito and Durango and not between Vallecito and Bayfield?

:waitasec:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I believe very few people would feel enough guilt to risk leading LE directly to a body when they were responsible for putting it there UNLESS they are cocky enough to believe that LE will view it as an accident, at the hands of someone else, etc. There are true cases out there where criminals lead LE to the victim, even taunted LE in the process because they were confident that it couldn't be tied to them. BTK killer is a good example of this type of behavior.

Another example: The Ramseys.

I also think that most people don't lead LE to the body not because they aren't cocky, but because they aren't that stupid. Think about all the cases we have on WS where the kid is missing, and we think the parents killed him/her. The parents hide the body, because they know that if they left it in the basement, they would be arrested on the spot.

 

[rebeccaeee]

<snip by me>
By the way , ya'll are totally not playing the game right

You know I really had to wrap my mind around assuming all of what MR has said is true. The darn phone/ipod/text business really stops me every time I try to think outside the MR box. Every time. Particularly since ER recently stated (in her uncut interview, I believe) that she tried to text Dylan later Sunday night and did not receive a response. We know of RN's text @ 9:27. We know of some sort of electronic communication at 9:37 per LE, then we know nothing. Lots of people could have been texting Dylan, maybe back and forth prior to 9:37 and maybe trying to send him texts after 9:37 but we don't know who and when.

So back to MR being truthful. Phone's not working, for whatever reason, no ipod texting, for whatever reason, no landline calls out, for whatever reason. Dylan is home alone on Monday morning and bored. Does he: (and here I feel the beginnings of a Choose Your Own Adventure book starting)...

A) grab all of his things and try to walk/hitch to RN's house?
B) open the door to a visitor?
C) Meet up with a pre-arranged ride?

I can't see any other ways to place Dylan and all of his belongings out of the house on Monday AM, which I need to do if all of what MR has said is true. What am I missing here? Help us out. Schmae and I want to play this through!

 

[Tennlyn]

So I've been thinking about past tense language. Think about this .
What was your child / spouse/ friend wearing last time you saw them?
They're alive and well , mind you .
In your mind did you think " My sister IS wearing a red shirt and blue jeans
and she HAS her hair in a braid'' ? Or did you think ' My sister was wearing a
red shirt and blue jeans and had her hair in a braid ' ?

I'm thinking right now of my kids when they left today and if someone asked
I would say " She was wearing her black t shirt and she had her glasses on " Those are past tense. But they're present ! Could this explain some of MR's statements?

By the way , ya'll are totally not playing the game right

bbm
lol...if I tried to play your game, my head would explode!

 

[all9ofus]

Does anyone know if the highway/route between Vallecito and Bayfield was ever searched? And if not, why not?

Why was there a large LE led, volunteer search planned of the road between Vallecito and Durango and not between Vallecito and Bayfield?

:waitasec:

I do not believe that the Vallecito to Bayfield route was ever involved in an organized public search. I would expect that LE did some searching there. I believe the Durango to Bayfield route was the focus because this is the most logical route from Walmart and McDonalds to Vallecito.

 

[nikb]

You can have all the theories you want just dont name someone that wasnt there.
MR was there he is the one Dylan was with. We have his words on what happend that night and that morning. We have the mysterious spanish guy that is a possible witness
seen on that road. but so far that is it! MR and mysterious spanish man.

Spanish, or hispanic? If it's Spanish, I've been picturing a totally different person they're looking for. Apologies, I didn't read the original MSM story that had this and can't seem to find it now.

 

[nikb]

Back in my childhood we would eat breakfast then head out on our bikes. Our rule was to head home when the street lights came on. We ate lunch at our friends homes. Our parents wouldn't see us all day long! Boy, times sure have changed! I suppose that many of us here have these same memories, and as such, are being influenced they what we have experienced in our own lives. Younger parents might automatically jump to something suspicious happening where us older folks don't.

Sorry quick OT... I bet you drank out of the water hose too, didn't you?? (I did)

 

[SCHMAE]

You know I really had to wrap my mind around assuming all of what MR has said is true. The darn phone/ipod/text business really stops me every time I try to think outside the MR box. Every time. Particularly since ER recently stated (in her uncut interview, I believe) that she tried to text Dylan later Sunday night and did not receive a response. We know of RN's text @ 9:27. We know of some sort of electronic communication at 9:37 per LE, then we know nothing. Lots of people could have been texting Dylan, maybe back and forth prior to 9:37 and maybe trying to send him texts after 9:37 but we don't know who and when.

So back to MR being truthful. Phone's not working, for whatever reason, no ipod texting, for whatever reason, no landline calls out, for whatever reason. Dylan is home alone on Monday morning and bored. Does he: (and here I feel the beginnings of a Choose Your Own Adventure book starting)...

A) grab all of his things and try to walk/hitch to RN's house?
B) open the door to a visitor?
C) Meet up with a pre-arranged ride?

I can't see any other ways to place Dylan and all of his belongings out of the house on Monday AM, which I need to do if all of what MR has said is true. What am I missing here? Help us out. Schmae and I want to play this through!

BBM, How could I have missed this ?

As for the game, it's more like pretend LE came out tomorrow and definitely cleared MR.......then what ? What can we explore if MR is off the table?