CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[Confusion]

I'm struggling with the Pat scenario, because I can't think of a good motive for Pat to do all that.

Possible motives for a premeditated acquaintance abduction:

Love - a lover or wanna be lover.
Money - Hostage situation because MR or MR owes someone. Ransom scenario - took Dylan thinking MR or ER would pay to get him back.
Revenge - Getting back at one of the parents for something. Possibly an ex.
Rescue - "I know Dylan hates it at his dad's so I'm going to go get him." "No kid should have to be in the middle of all that hate so I'm going to protect him"

Any more?

I can think of one or two others, but I think it might be too obvious who I'm thinking of if I say them. Sorry.

 

[Confusion]

Do you live in a city...like a downtown area? I live in the 'burbs and I can't see anyone walking 4 miles. You barely ever see people walking on the highways. There are no sidewalks. People drive everywhere. I feel like it would be similar in a rural area. Plus, Dylan was living in the CO Springs, in a suburban area. I think most kids who grow up in the suburbs would not be walking 4 miles.

He didn't grow up in Colorado Springs, he just moved there in July. Before that he lived in a rural area, where many people do a lot of walking. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

Seems like a local should have seen him, if he set out walking. Someone other than a predator.

 

[Tennlyn]

Do we have a screen shot of the bike in front of the house? Might be good to take a look at it to see if we can tell it was a functioning bike I suppose.

http://www.koat.com/news/Rallies-ma...hday/-/9154100/18427994/-/4kccmj/-/index.html
Bike at about 1:15 into the video.

 

[Dee10]

There is a picture I can't find of the front of MR's house. The bike you can see by the firewood in front of the house. It appears he has a covered veranda, so the wood & bike are covered. I am not sure the size of the bike but what I recall it would have been a normal size for Dylan to ride. If someone comes across this pic, please post it. If the bike was in workable condition, why wouldn't Dylan have used it IF he was going somewhere?

ETA - Thank you Tennyln that's it. Looks like it has been moved off the porch & is not rusty.

 

[SCHMAE]

I think there are too many circumstances pointing away from a planned abduction by someone close to ER or MR in any way, mostly the idea of finding Dylan alone.

If anything, I would more suspect a perverted neighbor who just happened to see MR leave and knew Dylan had come to visit. This type of person could have, I guess, coaxed Dylan into accepting a ride, and this person could have been back home or wherever he was supposed to be within an hour or two, so that no one noticed him missing. If this happened, Dylan is not alive. And maybe LE even interviewed this person, but if he had never been accused or charged with anything before, they would have no reason to pursue him. Maybe he even allowed a search of his home, since he knew Dylan had never been inside.

I would believe this type of scenario before some idea of a plot to take Dylan away from his warring parents, or one of his parents arranging to "hide" him for no reason I can imagine.

But then we still have to believe that his phone conveniently died before he was taken by the unknown neighboring pervert who just happened to be looking out the window at all of the right times.

Maybe this person XPATX just thought he had all week to grab Dylan and was surprised that on the first morning there, he was left alone AND with no phone to boot !

 

[YidArmyRach]

Do you live in a city...like a downtown area? I live in the 'burbs and I can't see anyone walking 4 miles. You barely ever see people walking on the highways. There are no sidewalks. People drive everywhere. I feel like it would be similar in a rural area. Plus, Dylan was living in the CO Springs, in a suburban area. I think most kids who grow up in the suburbs would not be walking 4 miles.

I live in a very rural area ... nothing but fields for the 9 miles that separate us from the other villages/small towns that surround us. We have one train out a day and a couple of buses. You really need a car.

But the kids around here do walk and bike to get from one village to the next. They walk miles to see their mates. Maybe they're unusual. But I'll have kids knocking for my son, just to go for a walk on a regular basis, at night too. They'll wander around for hours at a time. In fact, my 13 year old went for a 3 1/2 mile walk with his brother's 15 year old girlfriend tonight, just to chat and burn off the chocolate they'd eaten earlier!

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm struggling with the Pat scenario, because I can't think of a good motive for Pat to do all that.

Possible motives for a premeditated acquaintance abduction:

Love - a lover or wanna be lover.
Money - Hostage situation because MR or MR owes someone. Ransom scenario - took Dylan thinking MR or ER would pay to get him back.
Revenge - Getting back at one of the parents for something. Possibly an ex.
Rescue - "I know Dylan hates it at his dad's so I'm going to go get him." "No kid should have to be in the middle of all that hate so I'm going to protect him"

Any more?

Yes, I have wondered if any one had a life insurance policy on him.
I also like the ' revenge' theory you stated.

 

[Dee10]

O/T HLN is confirming the body in Calif. is Christopher Dormers.

 

[Kamille]

I'm struggling with the Pat scenario, because I can't think of a good motive for Pat to do all that.

Possible motives for a premeditated acquaintance abduction:

Love - a lover or wanna be lover.
Money - Hostage situation because MR or MR owes someone. Ransom scenario - took Dylan thinking MR or ER would pay to get him back.
Revenge - Getting back at one of the parents for something. Possibly an ex.
Rescue - "I know Dylan hates it at his dad's so I'm going to go get him." "No kid should have to be in the middle of all that hate so I'm going to protect him"

Any more?

The only thing I can think of is a current lover of MR who is angry about the time, money and effort that their significant other is spending on a divorce that is 5 years past and on custody and possibly child support issues for a child that he now has to go out of his way to spend time with.

ETA: Was MR's situation with Dylan causing someone else in his life a problem?

MOO

 

[deoneta]

I don't think we can rely on personal experiences to determine whether Dylan would set out on a 4 mile (or longer) walk. I live in a semi rural area, countryside in one direction and a smattering of housing developments and strip malls in the other. There aren't any sidewalks around. My daughter and her friends almost never walked anywhere. I remember her and her friend deciding to walk the 1.25 mi. to the convenience store. They called me to pick them up because they were "so tired". Now generally boys have more muscle mass and wouldn't tire as easily, but I spent many a Saturday picking up and delivering male friends who lived less than two miles away. But I think a lot would depend on the individual family, whether they are active, outdoorsy types or couch potatoes and how much freedom they allow their children. IMO, ER is in the best position to know if Dylan would set out on a lengthy walk. She could be wrong, but I don't have any reason to doubt her judgement.

 

[Kamille]

http://www.koat.com/news/Rallies-ma...hday/-/9154100/18427994/-/4kccmj/-/index.html
Bike at about 1:15 into the video.

Thanks Tennlyn...here's the best screen grab I could get from that...

 

[Kamille]

He didn't grow up in Colorado Springs, he just moved there in July. Before that he lived in a rural area, where many people do a lot of walking. MOO

Do we know how far out of Bayfield he lived before and whether he was in the habit of walking into town to see his friends?

 

[cluciano63]

If Dylan had no problem about setting off on foot to go great distances, why did he bother to promise his friend he would be there at 6:30am, instead of just telling him he would get there somehow, some way? Seems he made a pretty specific plan to get up extra early to see R. If he didn't mind hitching or walking, why trouble himself, and R, to be up so early?

 

[SCHMAE]

The only thing I can think of is a current lover of MR who is angry about the time, money and effort that their significant other is spending on a divorce that is 5 years past and on custody and possibly child support issues for a child that he now has to go out of his way to spend time with.

ETA: Was MR's situation with Dylan causing someone else in his life a problem?

MOO

How about 'how many lives many have been problematic because of the constant legal battle? '

 

[Kamille]

By the way, the bike in the picture I posted looks to be in fine working order and looks to be exactly the type of bike that ER claims that Dylan likes to ride.

And I'd still like to know when it got outside like that and why. Has it been there since Dylan's last visit in September? Was it taken out Sunday night? How could a nice looking bike like that sit in front of a frequently vacant home for months without being stolen. Would seem like a very safe neighbourhood. And yet a child is missing from the same location?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[Tennlyn]

The only thing I can think of is a current lover of MR who is angry about the time, money and effort that their significant other is spending on a divorce that is 5 years past and on custody and possibly child support issues for a child that he now has to go out of his way to spend time with.

ETA: Was MR's situation with Dylan causing someone else in his life a problem?

MOO

I did wonder about a crazy/jealous ex-gf of MR's. In the recent uncut video when Mark talks about how [paraphrasing] when Dylan's there, it's just the two of them...the emphasis on that made me wonder if (a) either Dylan had been an issue in new relationships, or (b) MR actually had friends around when Dylan was there but doesn't want it to be known. :moo:

Also, when MR insists that Dylan didn't go in his room that night, I half wondered if he had a gf in there and Dylan found out. Of course, that would mean Dylan actually made it to Dad's house. But finding a gf in Dad's room after the 'lawn incident' years ago might trigger a fight.

Why is it that everything MR says just makes me suspicious? I know, I know...confirmation bias. :banghead:

Sorry, just rambling about some thoughts I've had. And yes, I have explored other thoughts that don't involve MR, some of which are even against TOS. :what:

I think about Dylan and what has happened far too much. I dream about the kid. I should step away for awhile, but I just can't.

All of this has been MOO/JMO/etc.

 

[SCHMAE]

I did wonder about a crazy/jealous ex-gf of MR's. In the recent uncut video when Mark talks about how [paraphrasing] when Dylan's there, it's just the two of them...the emphasis on that made me wonder if (a) either Dylan had been an issue in new relationships, or (b) MR actually had friends around when Dylan was there but doesn't want it to be known. :moo:

Also, when MR insists that Dylan didn't go in his room that night, I half wondered if he had a gf in there and Dylan found out. Of course, that would mean Dylan actually made it to Dad's house. But finding a gf in Dad's room after the 'lawn incident' years ago might trigger a fight.

Why is it that everything MR says just makes me suspicious? I know, I know...confirmation bias. :banghead:

Sorry, just rambling about some thoughts I've had. And yes, I have explored other thoughts that don't involve MR, some of which are even against TOS. :what:

I think about Dylan and what has happened far too much. I dream about the kid. I should step away for awhile, but I just can't.

All of this has been MOO/JMO/etc.

You know what,, this is interesting. It explains Pacing around , ( waiting on dylan to get sleepY) . It explains RUNNING up to bed. It explains not wanting to drive all the way to his friends house that night. And to really stretch it a bit further, it explains ' taking a nap ' that afternoon , after sleeping a long night before. Hmmm

 

[Tennlyn]

By the way, the bike in the picture I posted looks to be in fine working order and looks to be exactly the type of bike that ER claims that Dylan likes to ride.

And I'd still like to know when it got outside like that and why. Has it been there since Dylan's last visit in September? Was it taken out Sunday night? How could a nice looking bike like that sit in front of a frequently vacant home for months without being stolen. Would seem like a very safe neighbourhood. And yet a child is missing from the same location?

:waitasec:

MOO

My first thought (and this was back probably in late Nov/early Dec) was that MR had put it out there so that everyone would see the nice bike and think what a good dad Dylan HAD. I know, I'm far too cynical. :moo:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

My first thought (and this was back probably in late Nov/early Dec) was that MR had put it out there so that everyone would see the nice bike and think what a good dad Dylan HAD. I know, I'm far too cynical. :moo:

I can't see that logically it would have been left out since Sept. If they were in the habit of leaving it out it would be rusty. It doesn't look rusty to me. And with MR being gone for long periods at a time it would make no sense to leave it out either. I doubt that MR or Dylan would have grabbed it out of the shed/garage that night when they got home. I agree, that it was likely staged to show what a good Dad he was and maybe an attempt at showing Dylan was there.