CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[jjenny]

According to MR, Dylan never met a stranger (so presumably could have gone off with someone he just met?), Dylan likely had a fishing pole with him (so presumably could have gone fishing and fell into lake?), could be watching right now and upset that mom and dad don't get along (so maybe doesn't even want to return home?). Lots of different possibilities right there.
And now MR says he doesn't care who has his son and for what reason?
To me, seems like a strange thing to say.

 

[SCHMAE]

I had not seen this quote before now.
Truly the oddest thing yet I have heard a parent say about their missing child.
How could he even saw those words? I understand not wanting to think the worst, but this is a bit beyond belief.

If he is innocent, he ought to stop talking. If he is not, keep right on.

ETA...I know I have been up nights worrying about what could be happening to Dylan.

If he's thinking someone took him to make him look bad or out of jealousy or to cause custodial issues, then it makes a little more sense. I don't know that either side of this has looked at the idea a predator of children has ' their ' son. I think they both think he said / she said he did / she did is the answer.
And coincidentally since the ' rally' MR has been talking a LOT so that rally may have been a good thing after all.

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm sorry but I'm focused on this case. I have no reason to look at other cases; they are all different in their own way and as many people here love to point out, no one does the same thing in the same way as another person and no two situations are identical. It is also the same reason I choose to ignore everyone else's life experiences in comparison to Dylan's life. I really don't care what anyone did when they were growing up, or what they did when they raised their children, or how their grandchildren act, speak, or whatever mannerisms they project that causes anyone to draw a comparison to this case. Discussion about what I might consider usual, customary, average, behavior patterns resulted in multiple replies that my experiences weren't relevant to Dylan's case, so I've chosen to disregard others experiences for the same reason. I am focused on this case, this child, this family, what they say, what they do, what they don't do and the events surrounding the disappearance of DYLAN REDWINE. Thank you.

:moo: :moo: :moo:

And what does your experience tell you ?
I guess I'm stupid because today is the first time I noticed
that you work for CPS.....so sorry I didn't see that sooner.
But it makes your opinion much more weighty! TY

 

[katydid23]

If there was ANYONE that was close enough to MR or ER that they felt it was their duty or burden to take Dylan in and hide him, for whatever reason, wouldn't they have been found out by now? JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

So, then are you going to say "she was the light of my life and she meant everything to me?"

Depends on the situation. If I'm feeling despondent about ever seeing her again, yes, I would definitely say that. If more than 48 hours have passed and I didn't know where she was, I would probably be despondent enough to say that. And right after that I'd look into the camera and say "If you can hear me, don't give up because I'm coming to find you." So go figure.

 

[katydid23]

According to MR, Dylan never met a stranger (so presumably could have gone off with someone he just met?), Dylan likely had a fishing pole with him (so presumably could have gone fishing and fell into lake?), could be watching right now and upset that mom and dad don't get along (so maybe doesn't even want to return home?). Lots of different possibilities right there.
And now MR says he doesn't care who has his son and for what reason?
To me, seems like a strange thing to say.

It is a really strange thing to say, imo. I don't understand it, because the OBVIOUS motive behind his kidnapping, if he was still alive, would be to keep him as a sexual partner. I cannot imagine a father saying it didn't matter to him whether or not his son was being held by a sexual deviant.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Quote from MR:
“Quite frankly, I don’t care who has Dylan or for what reason they have Dylan,”

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...RONTPAGE/Dr-Phil-working-on-a-Redwine-program

I have never seen the parent of a missing child speak like this. Not even parents who are under suspicion or the unnamed POI.

He doesn't care who? Why not? What parent doesn't care who stole their baby?

He doesn't care why? What! If someone took Dylan, they sure as heck aren't sitting around playing board games and watching cartoons with him. At best, he's been restrained, isolated, and held prisoner. More likely than that, he is being physically, emotionally, psychologically and possibly sexually tortured and assaulted. What father doesn't "care" about that?

I am thoroughly disgusted with that statement and all I hope is that MR just keeps talking. Because every time he opens his mouth, he shows more and more of his true colors. And I sure hope LE is paying very close attention to every word he says. Garbage. JMO and MOO

I got from his statement, not that he doesn't care, but that he cares more about getting him back. In other words, just give him back, no questions asked if you'll just give him back.

 

[mijamawi]

Well then I guess we don't need to consider the possibility that someone close to MR from out of state had a problem with his relationship with Dylan and unbeknown to MR decided to disappear him?

Well that's the thing though. MR has been travelling "out of state" (he stated he was in Silver City New Mexico before Dylan came for this visit) for work for years according to ER. But she has no idea what he does for work. She would never know if he had a female companion, who perhaps lives out of state as well. I know of no company that is going to send an employee out of state for weeks on end for years and pay for accomodation and lodging in motels. Why wouldn't they just hire someone who lives in the area? So unless he's actually doing long distance hauling and is living in a truck cab for weeks on end, then he has to be residing somewhere when he's out of town..and quite possibly with someone.

MOO

Most companies who send their employees out of town will pay for lodging. Especially companies like United Pipeline. So again, I'm not sure what your point is.

Will you not agree that Mark Redwine is shifting blame to Dylan?

No, I don't agree he's shifting blame. Sorry.

If there was ANYONE that was close enough to MR or ER that they felt it was their duty or burden to take Dylan in and hide him, for whatever reason, wouldn't they have been found out by now? JMO

Probably, unless it was someone so obscure neither parent even thought twice about mentioning them.

 

[SCHMAE]

If there was ANYONE that was close enough to MR or ER that they felt it was their duty or burden to take Dylan in and hide him, for whatever reason, wouldn't they have been found out by now? JMO

What if something went wrong?
A planned dirty trick turned deadly ?

 

[Confusion]

I'm sorry but I'm focused on this case. I have no reason to look at other cases; they are all different in their own way and as many people here love to point out, no one does the same thing in the same way as another person and no two situations are identical. It is also the same reason I choose to ignore everyone else's life experiences in comparison to Dylan's life. I really don't care what anyone did when they were growing up, or what they did when they raised their children, or how their grandchildren act, speak, or whatever mannerisms they project that causes anyone to draw a comparison to this case. Discussion about what I might consider usual, customary, average, behavior patterns resulted in multiple replies that my experiences weren't relevant to Dylan's case, so I've chosen to disregard others experiences for the same reason. I am focused on this case, this child, this family, what they say, what they do, what they don't do and the events surrounding the disappearance of DYLAN REDWINE. Thank you.

:moo: :moo: :moo:

You asked who says they don't care who stole their baby, and I was just answering your question. MOO

 

[NC Analyzer]

If there was ANYONE that was close enough to MR or ER that they felt it was their duty or burden to take Dylan in and hide him, for whatever reason, wouldn't they have been found out by now? JMO

Simple answer. Yes.
Complex answer. Local LE may not be all that experienced in handling missing children, but the CBI and the FBI definitely are. It is possible that local LE wasn't on the ball during the first few hours, but now that there is an assigned task force, (some members who were actually part of the Ridgeway case), there is not a doubt in my mind that every single person remotely connected to MR, ER, CR, DR, family, friends, neighbors, sex offenders, local weirdo's, associates, school personnel, coaches, parents of friends, family of friends, casual acquaintances, airline personnel and passengers, WalMart employees, McDonald's employees, etc. etc. etc. has been thoroughly vetted and alibied.

:moo:

 

[NC Analyzer]

"someone so obscure neither parent even thought twice about mentioning them"

Not so sure about MR, but very certain ER spends hours upon hours every day wracking her brain for any, every and all possibility's and persons connected to her or her child. I would even go as far as to say she loses sleep thinking about this.

MOO

 

[Confusion]

It is a really strange thing to say, imo. I don't understand it, because the OBVIOUS motive behind his kidnapping, if he was still alive, would be to keep him as a sexual partner. I cannot imagine a father saying it didn't matter to him whether or not his son was being held by a sexual deviant.

That might be the most obvious reason, but not necessarily the only one possible. If he suspects it's for a different reason, he'd probably think differently about it than if he suspects that it is a pervert that took him. (Not that anyone who kidnaps a child could really be considered to be normal.) MOO

 

[SuperMom1995]

I believe very few people would feel enough guilt to risk leading LE directly to a body when they were responsible for putting it there UNLESS they are cocky enough to believe that LE will view it as an accident, at the hands of someone else, etc. There are true cases out there where criminals lead LE to the victim, even taunted LE in the process because they were confident that it couldn't be tied to them. BTK killer is a good example of this type of behavior.

Sometimes deep down people want to be found out. JMO

 

[Money Girl]

I understand the context of MR's following words perfectly. He just wants his son back. It's similar to LE telling parents of unwanted babies just to leave them at a fire department, etc.



Mark Redwine said he doesn’t want to place blame.


“Quite frankly, I don’t care who has Dylan or for what reason they have Dylan,” he said. “The fact is that they need to let him go and reach out to somebody in his family. And whether that means dropping him off at the nearest Walmart or the nearest post office or the nearest police station or whatever the case may be, let him go.”

 

[NC Analyzer]

I understand the context of MR's following words perfectly. He just wants his son back. It's similar to LE telling parents of unwanted babies just to leave them at a fire department, etc.



Mark Redwine said he doesn’t want to place blame.


“Quite frankly, I don’t care who has Dylan or for what reason they have Dylan,” he said. “The fact is that they need to let him go and reach out to somebody in his family. And whether that means dropping him off at the nearest Walmart or the nearest post office or the nearest police station or whatever the case may be, let him go.”

Safe Surrender Laws are in NO WAY comparable to abducted/missing children. Apples to Oranges. MOO

 

[Money Girl]

Safe Surrender Laws are in NO WAY comparable to abducted/missing children. Apples to Oranges. MOO

I'm not talking about laws. I'm just talking about a father wanting his son back.

 

[SCHMAE]

So you believe MR lacks the intelligence to see that his child is in extreme danger. He isn't smart enough to know that? He thinks his son would just happily hang out with "some person" and not attend school, see his friends, his mother, his brothers, play sports, go on FB, use his cell phone or do any of the thousands of things kids do? You honestly believe MR has no clue that if his son was abducted, he is being physically restrained...or much, much worse? Good to know. I actually thought he was a bit smarter than that, but who knows?

:moo:

IF MR believes someone has DR hidden to make him look bad or out of jealousy or to interfere with custodial issues, then he may believe he's not in ' danger'. It may be a foolishly optimistic dream but he may believe it and just telling himself that is what happened rather than a pervert has his son. I'm sure he's smart enough to know he could be in danger but may be choosing the more ' rosy' scenario to believe because it's easier. Maybe. I'm just thinking out loud. I've got no idea what he thinks.

 

[ColdHands]

I understand the context of MR's following words perfectly. He just wants his son back. It's similar to LE telling parents of unwanted babies just to leave them at a fire department, etc.



Mark Redwine said he doesn’t want to place blame.


“Quite frankly, I don’t care who has Dylan or for what reason they have Dylan,” he said. “The fact is that they need to let him go and reach out to somebody in his family. And whether that means dropping him off at the nearest Walmart or the nearest post office or the nearest police station or whatever the case may be, let him go.”

ITA - I think that snipping the quote made it lose context.

Simple answer. Yes.
Complex answer. Local LE may not be all that experienced in handling missing children, but the CBI and the FBI definitely are. It is possible that local LE wasn't on the ball during the first few hours, but now that there is an assigned task force, (some members who were actually part of the Ridgeway case), there is not a doubt in my mind that every single person remotely connected to MR, ER, CR, DR, family, friends, neighbors, sex offenders, local weirdo's, associates, school personnel, coaches, parents of friends, family of friends, casual acquaintances, airline personnel and passengers, WalMart employees, McDonald's employees, etc. etc. etc. has been thoroughly vetted and alibied.

:moo:

Except for the neighbor that saw a stranger wandering in the area asking about gas. I think sometimes circumstances prevent LE from being completely thorough regardless of intent (unable to reach an out-of-town property owner or an individual that doesn't want to "get involved with all that", as hypothetical examples.) IMO

 

[The Cheese]

I got from his statement, not that he doesn't care, but that he cares more about getting him back. In other words, just give him back, no questions asked if you'll just give him back.

Exactly. Here's the whole quote -

“Quite frankly, I don’t care who has Dylan or for what reason they have Dylan,” he said. “The fact is that they need to let him go and reach out to somebody in his family. And whether that means dropping him off at the nearest Walmart or the nearest post office or the nearest police station or whatever the case may be, let him go.”