CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[jjenny]

Or he means in pagosa coming?
I'm in Pagosa . Are you coming?
It could be either way. Kids
dont' normally punctuate in texts.

But later on he mentions he will be at grandma's in the morning.
So, I think he was asking Dylan if Dylan was coming to pagosa.
But, regardless, R seems to travel around a lot. So why would Dylan not contact him the morning after he supposedly overslept, to find out where to even go, if he was going to hitch hike?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I interpreted this also as asking Dylan if he was coming. Wasn't the very next text from Dyan, saying "I can't"? That was how I read it.

Salem

He said in Pagosa...coming not in Pagosa you coming?

 

[otto]

We discuss a lot here about what everyone else's kids/grandkids do. But this is about Dylan. His life. His habits. His parents. I cannot emphasize enough why that is one of the most important things to be considered....the people involved in the situation. What is reasonable, customary, usual for THEM. Not what everyone else does or does not do.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for a father to decide that he's going to take his child home from the airport ... rather than drop his child off at a friends grandmother's house.

 

[deoneta]

Parental Alienation comes to mind from all that I have seen.

JMO though

As I understand it, parental alienation implies that the rejection of one parent is unreasonable and unfounded, or that one parent has poisoned the child against the other parent. Two exes, two different families, what are the odds? All MOO

 

[sarx]

I'm not a SAR diver, but have worked extensively with them and can say pretty confidently that 7 divers for 20 min. aren't going to get much ground covered.

HRD water dogs should not be hitting on animal remains, hence the H in HRD. So, I'm hoping this statement was just made by someone who didn't know any better, which happens way too often.

 

[Tennlyn]

I think that it was an LE team, sarx. Also, I didn't get the impression that the hits were ignored. They sent in divers, but the water was very cold and the divers could only search for 20 minutes at a time and they could only dive 1 time per day. So there were a lot of restrictions on the diving. But... the divers did come up empty handed.

As for the hit on the ground, I'm not sure about that one and don't remember it being reported. Maybe someone could post the link for that?

Thanks,

Salem

ETA: The divers did come back a week or so later and tried again.

They did? I missed that!

 

[The Cheese]

Presumably those details would have to be worked out through communication.
Doesn't sound too complicated considering both had cell phones.

Well they were communicating. By texts. Presumably on their cell phones. Dylan seemed fine about going in the morning instead of Sunday night so I really don't get what the big deal is.

I'm out of this conversation. You all carry on. illowfight2:

 

[Salem]

Why does that bring tears to my eyes? Happy and sad tears.

Because they are such beautiful creatures, so willing to help and share their awesome abilities with us and it gives us hope that Dylan will be found.

I'm right there with you!

Salem

 

[Salem]

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They did? I missed that!

I believe they did. I think the divers were there twice. Let me go check the media/timeline thread.

Salem

 

[findDylan]

I'm not a SAR diver, but have worked extensively with them and can say pretty confidently that 7 divers for 20 min. aren't going to get much ground covered.

HRD water dogs should not be hitting on animal remains, hence the H in HRD. So, I'm hoping this statement was just made by someone who didn't know any better, which happens way too often.

BBM... Thats what im afraid of. Thank you for answering questions.

 

[dlc]

Nevermind...*sigh*

I just said the same thing, with an even bigger sigh.

 

[otto]

This is what I don't understand. I use to tell my kids no all the time about things they wanted to do, and for different reasons. It didn't make me a monster or angry or hateful or mean. It made me a parent, who for whatever reason there was at the time, would tell my kids no to something.

One thing that got my kids an automatic no was coming to me with wanting to do something without knowing before hand the "what, where, why, how, who, when" questions answered. I was not going to play games with them all day about their plans. If they couldn't tell me "I want to go the xxxx mall with Gina at 3:30 pm, Gina's mother is taking us, can you pick us up, I'm going to need $50 because I need to get a blouse for school and we'll be back about 6:00 pm", they didn't go.

Another automatic no was having one of their friends ask for them. Another automatic no was to ask me if they could do something in front of their friends.

It was parenting. Just because parents are divorced doesn't mean the inmates run the asylum when the kids visit and got to call the shots. What parent would do that???

I completely agree. The only point that I find unusual is that Dylan was so determined to visit the friend at a grandmother's house at 6:30 AM and, given that he was so determined, I'm more inclined to think that he did decide to get there on his own after his father left to run errands.

Does anyone actually believe that if Dylan had met up with his friend at a grandmother's house that night that they were actually going to stay in and have a sleepover? It sounds to me like a meeting place and that they may have planned to wander around for the evening. Did the grandmother have playstation or xbox ... or anything else that would interest 13 year old boys?

 

[The Cheese]

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BBM

I really think you'd have to read all of the previous threads*, as well as look at information from MSM, the full length video, the official FB page, and even other pages that we can't discuss here, to even begin to get an understanding of why this may be a possibility -- although I would say perhaps "murder" (at least in the first degree sense) may not be the most likely possibility that one comes up with.

*Including posts that were subsequently deleted, or modified.

It's a daunting task, I know.

IMO

<modsnip> I don't think it's necessary to read a million pages of opinion to come to your own opinion. Just reading the news stories is more than enough. In more than one way lol.

 

[otto]

Well, then why would he be up and raring to hitchhike an hour later?

If he was overtired, wouldnt he wait in the warm cabin, eat more cereal, watch cartoons and text his friends. It would be very soon that his ride would appear.

If he got up when his dad left, then he had the choice of waiting for 3.5 hours or sticking out his thumb.

 

[Kamille]

I took the "coming" to be a question to Dylan. Was Dylan coming to Pagosa? Apparently Dylan took it the same way because he said "can't come".

Ryan : (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming

Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow

If R was going to be sleeping in Bayfield then he was obviously traveling there that evening. We don't know what the plan was. Maybe they were all planning to meet at one of the other friend's houses. MR doesn't go into detail about anything Dylan said that night about anything. The only things he does talk about in detail are the things that can be verified. And he goes into a lot of unnecessary detail there.

MOO

 

[findDylan]

I believe they did. I think the divers were there twice. Let me go check the media/timeline thread.

Salem

I thought the second time was only on the boats with the sonar. That they didn't get in the water. Of course my mind is fried and could be wrong.

 

[sarx]

BBM... Thats what im afraid of. Thank you for answering questions.

Sometimes unfortunately conditions can make it all but impossible to be thorough.

 

[jjenny]

I completely agree. The only point that I find unusual is that Dylan was so determined to visit the friend at a grandmother's house at 6:30 AM and, given that he was so determined, I'm more inclined to think that he did decide to get there on his own after his father left to run errands.

Does anyone actually believe that if Dylan had met up with his friend at a grandmother's house that night that they were actually going to stay in and have a sleepover? It sounds to me like a meeting place and that they may have planned to wander around for the evening. Did the grandmother have playstation or xbox ... or anything else that would interest 13 year old boys?

If he was so determined, why didn't he get up during that 45 minutes to an hour MR claims he tried to wake him up? His mother says he has no problems waking up for school.

 

[SCHMAE]

But later on he mentions he will be at grandma's in the morning.
So, I think he was asking Dylan if Dylan was coming to pagosa.
But, regardless, R seems to travel around a lot. So why would Dylan not contact him the morning after he supposedly overslept, to find out where to even go, if he was going to hitch hike?

I dont' know the answer to the question about in the morning at all.
Just some said " IN PAGOSA ......... COMING " " meant'' that R was
on his way back to bayfield as in ' Im coming back to bayfield but im still
in pagosa right now'' .

And whether or not Dylan contacted him in the morning has no bearing on where R was that night.

 

[The Cheese]

He said IN PAGOSA...COMING. That means he was on his way or would be on his way shortly.

I see it differently. So did Dylan. R is asking if Dylan is coming to Pagosa. Dylan responds no he isn't coming to Pagosa. :twocents:

Ryan: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming

Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow

Now I'm *really* *truly* out of this convo.