CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[cluciano63]

Was Dylan normally a rebellious child that fought with authority, or was he a well adjusted happy child that accepted parental decisions? Was he supposedly only rebellious around his father and, if so, what made him think that he didn't have to respect his father's rules?

If they were as close as MR says, why wouldn't Dylan call him or leave a note? Or wait for his dad?

 

[The Cheese]

Stranger abductions are rarer that parental murders. Approx 100 per year. The stats provided here aren't detail specific to Dylan's age/gender either. And stats don't exactly tell the story. The elements of the crime tell the story. And that varies crime to crime.

I assume you mean stereotypical kidnappings? 115 per year? They're not all strangers.

Anyway, the 125 to 150 murders per year are by fathers and all other family members combined, so they're about equal. Fathers may be a bit less.

I agree that the numbers don't tell the whole story, and that the elements of the crime can give us some clues. Here, we have no elements.

You have to make up so much stuff to get to a murder-by-Mark theory. You have to make up that Mark was drinking, make up that Mark and Dylan had a fight, you have to make up a reason for the fight, make up that Mark took Dylan's phone, make up that Mark broke Dylan's phone, you have to make up that Mark was killing Dylan to get back at Elaine, and on and on and on.

(I don't mean you specifically by the way - it's a general you.)

Add to that that LE have said that Mark is not considered a suspect and you have to make up that Mark is "the unnamed suspect" or "the unnamed POI".

Add to that that LE haven't mentioned any evidence of what would statistically be a very violent crime, so you have to make up blood or brain tissue or decomp fluid.

Add to that that nobody's mentioned any signs of a fight at all, and you have to make neighbors hearing screams or yelling or cursing, scuff marks on the walls, a broken vase.

Add to that that Dylan's mom and other family members have stated that they don't think Mark killed Dylan.

Phew! I could go on, but there's the gist of it. There's just too darn much I'd have to make up, too many explanations I'd have to come up with, to go with the murder-by-Mark theory.

 

[otto]

BBM

If this is so, then LE/FBI have not done their jobs in warning the public or asking the public for information (ie, strange behavior, unusual behavior, not showing up for work, gone extended period of time, washing vehicle, special interest in news on the case, etc...).

What kind of warning would be needed in an unsolved missing child case?

 

[Seajay]

If the friends are saying that he may have hitch hiked ... they wouldn't have pulled that out of thin air. From what I've read, it seems that hitch hiking was an alternative mode of transportation for Dylan.

Another thing to keep in mind is that parents have been known to sometimes whitewash their missing chidlren. The child that hitch hiked and was rebellious suddenly becomes a church going angel.

For sure. Just look at the Kara Nichols case. She disappeared into the night. Her parents really tried to make her look like the all American girl. This went on for months. Slowly information came out that she was doing some racy modeling jobs. From there, her parents finally admitted she had done some prostituting.

This doesn't change that she is missing, or that she should be found or looked for, it just changes the focus on the kind of areas they should be looking for her in. Ya know??? It took a few months for this info to come out.

 

[katydid23]

If the friends are saying that he may have hitch hiked ... they wouldn't have pulled that out of thin air. From what I've read, it seems that hitch hiking was an alternative mode of transportation for Dylan.

Another thing to keep in mind is that parents have been known to sometimes whitewash their missing chidlren. The child that hitch hiked and was rebellious suddenly becomes a church going angel.

If anyone is being whitewshed here, it is not Dylan. His father was arrested twice for menacing. He was arrested for assault, trespassing, child abuse and criminal trespassing in the past. He also took a drunken swing at his older son years ago.

I take offense at anyone now trying to paint Dylan as the 'problem' here. JMO

 

[katydid23]

For sure. Just look at the Kara Nichols case. She disappeared into the night. Her parents really tried to make her look like the all American girl. This went on for months. Slowly information came out that she was doing some racy modeling jobs. From there, her parents finally admitted she had done some prostituting.

This doesn't change that she is missing, or that she should be found or looked for, it just changes the focus on the kind of areas they should be looking for her in. Ya know??? It took a few months for this info to come out.

wow. So now Dylans' at fault?

 

[The Cheese]

Why wasn't this the first place MR searched when he woke up from his nap?

Maybe he did. We don't know.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Why would Dylan take everything he brought with him to wander over to the campground?

Isn't it odd that Dad noticed Dylan and all of his belongings gone when he got home but he didn't think of this?

And why did he not go to the river and campground and look first? (after he took his long nap that is)

Why did his story change from he went to Tristan's but he hadn't seen him to he went to Tristan's but nobody was home? I wonder if LE checked his story and Tristan/his family said they weren't even home that day/time?

Why did he go to Nando's and not Ryan's? It was Ryan's house that Dad was supposed to drop Dylan off at.

 

[otto]

If they were as close as MR says, why wouldn't Dylan call him or leave a note? Or wait for his dad?

13 year olds still have learn to leave a note.
I don't know why this 13 year old child would decide to meet with friends at 6:30 AM, but apparently that was his plan. Did his father know that this was his plan? Did Dylan tell his dad that he was going to meet with friends at that time? He wouldn't have needed to text or leave a note to communicate this ... but did he?

 

[KateNY]

Thank you for your informative post.

The main problem I have with scrutinizing a parent of a missing child and interpreting everything as though they are guilty is that I see this over and over again. Take any missing child and the first person that is discussed as guilty on forums is the parent.

I'm trying to see this without looking at the usual suspect ... trying to understand whether Dyan could have disappeared without the father murdering him on the night he arrived for a visit. Personally, I can't see any reason why the dad would murder his son at 8 or 9 that evening.

BBM

He had plenty of time to stash him away tho...

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Maybe he did. We don't know.

Well when he was discussing the events of that Monday he said he woke up from his nap and realized Dylan still had not texted and went to Tristan's house on the lake then went into Bayfield. That's what he said. Not me, him.

 

[jjenny]

13 year olds still have learn to leave a note.
I don't know why this 13 year old child would decide to meet with friends at 6:30 AM, but apparently that was his plan. Did his father know that this was his plan? Did Dylan tell his dad that he was going to meet with friends at that time? He wouldn't have needed to text or leave a note to communicate this ... but did he?

Yes, of course his father knew it was his plan. Considering father was supposed to have been his ride.
There really is a lot of information, and several interviews of MR on youtube.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Was Dylan normally a rebellious child that fought with authority, or was he a well adjusted happy child that accepted parental decisions? Was he supposedly only rebellious around his father and, if so, what made him think that he didn't have to respect his father's rules?

By all reports a happy, well adjusted kid. School principle quoted saying he loved school. Reports he made lots of new friends after the family moved and maintained relationships with his old friends. He played sports. Had an older brother; they had a close relationship. No rebellion reported with mom or dad. Mom and dad divorced several years. Probably only saw each other in court, not the daily arguing that is being portrayed. Family just moved into a new house they built. He just got a new puppy. Said he was very polite and considerate. Reported to be a tech savvy kid. BOTH parents said he wouldn't run away. Friends were questioned again about the hitching and told the reporter IT WAS ONE TIME. There is video. Early accounts from the friends were speculating what MIGHT have happened. Kids thought process. Not adult thought process. Could have said he fell in the lake but maybe they didn't think about that.

 

[katydid23]

13 year olds still have learn to leave a note.
I don't know why this 13 year old child would decide to meet with friends at 6:30 AM, but apparently that was his plan. Did his father know that this was his plan? Did Dylan tell his dad that he was going to meet with friends at that time? He wouldn't have needed to text or leave a note to communicate this ... but did he?

It was his plan because his dad said he had an appt. in town at 7:30, so the only way he could go to his friends in the morning would be at 6:30.

 

[otto]

If anyone is being whitewshed here, it is not Dylan. His father was arrested twice for menacing. He was arrested for assault, trespassing, child abuse and criminal trespassing in the past. He also took a drunken swing at his older son years ago.

I take offense at anyone now trying to paint Dylan as the 'problem' here. JMO

Was Dylan a well adjusted happy child, or was he a rebellious child that would become confrontational with his father if his father said that it was too late to visit friends? I'm reading that this well adjusted happy child was rebellious and angry at his father because he couldn't do what he wanted ... that doesn't make sense.

 

[scorekeeper]

Yes, AND I was shocked at the recent data posted of parents that murder their children for revenge against the parent who gets primary custody. And even more specifically, children who are murdered during court ordered visitation. The custody awarded to ER was no more than 2 months before Dylan went missing.

And this visit in November was the FIRST court-ordered visit. And Dylan didn't really want to be there because he wanted to see his Grandma that has been diagnosed with cancer. The only thing he appeared excited about for this trip was to see his friends; which Mark said no to right off the bat.

 

[otto]

It was his plan because his dad said he had an appt. in town at 7:30, so the only way he could go to his friends in the morning would be at 6:30.

And it appears that he was not up and ready to go at 7:30 am (maybe his cell phone was dead and the alarm didn't go off) so his dad left without him ... and it's quite possible that Dylan was determined to meet with his friends, so he took matters into his own hands, grabbed all his stuff, walked the short distance to the highway and stuck out his thumb.

 

[Tennlyn]

Maybe he did. We don't know.

I'm sure he'll add it into his next interview. :moo:

 

[The Cheese]

If he was just wandering off for a walk, why would he take all of his belongings?

I don't know. Dylan's not around to ask. All I know is that whatever happened to Dylan, he took his backpack with him.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

13 year olds still have learn to leave a note.
I don't know why this 13 year old child would decide to meet with friends at 6:30 AM, but apparently that was his plan. Did his father know that this was his plan? Did Dylan tell his dad that he was going to meet with friends at that time? He wouldn't have needed to text or leave a note to communicate this ... but did he?

Dad told him he couldn't go Sunday night but told him that he would take him at 6:30 Monday morning. Supposedly Dylan wouldn't wake up that morning and Dad tried for over an hour then left at 7:30.