CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[Money Girl]

Are there any new searches going on this week for him?

Yes. From K-9 Forensics:

"After a five hour search yesterday, both Sadie and k9 Jetta crashed for an early bed. We were able to clear some areas and are ready to hit today, k9 saber and Sadie. Will be going out today and the riudoso group is heading in this afternoon.feel free the community in Colorado to say hello if you see us. No problem if you want to meet the k-9s we are all in this together"

 

[The Cheese]

Best thing I can suggest for you is look up penal convictions. Not as "rare" as you continue to believe. Prison if full of fathers who MURDER their children.
Just as I mentioned about Domestic Violence. You choose to see what you want to see. (not you personally, of course).

I will do that and look up penal convictions. Thank you for the information.

What I want to see is the reality, so I can better figure out the probability of what happens to these kids who go missing.

Thanks again.

 

[Ghostwheel]

In the uncut interview with Mark during the conversation about going to Walmart and the movies in the $5.00 bin that Dylan wanted to buy, at approximately 11:37 Mark says: "so he threw those in, which is one of the movies we would watch the night, you know, we were together."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w&feature=youtu.be

He is mixing past with present and saying that there was more than one movie they would watch that night (or planned to watch that night?). He doesn't say they actually watched it. Unofficial poll, do people here talk in this manner? (I would have said "so he threw those in, and one of those was the movie we watched that night." I wouldn't have said "together" because, well, duh.)

Maybe I hear odd where it's just a speech pattern difference.

 

[SuperMom1995]

I've been looking for the source of the "one way ticket" and have been unsuccessful. A Google search brings me back here to WS and another forum. Does anyone know where this information is coming from?

I have been looking too.

 

[azgrandma]

Dad said that Dylan had a friend that lived a few minutes away and that is the first place he checked. When no one was home, he thought that Dylan and the friend may have gone to the river.

BBM - the friend lived 4 MILES away, approximate. Dad also said that he went to T's house down the road (about 4 miles) and spoke with them, they had not seen DR do he then went to the friends in Bayfield (R & F).

Interesting how he can talk to someone that isn't home. IMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

I personally don't believe this for a second ... a well adjusted dad would admit his mistake to LE as its a very small error when you weigh in the fact your son has been kidnapped . Parents make mistakes and nobody is perfect and you just look at the big picture!

MOO

Yes, a well adjusted dad would. But it's a theory if he doesn't happen to be a well adjusted dad. I don't know either way for a fact, and I do know quite a few dads who look well adjusted and are majorly messed up. They would not admit they did something wrong for any reason I have seen, including letting another family member take the blame for something everyone else knows the dad did. Seriously. More than I'd like to know, actually.....

So, it's a theory. As I said, I have a lot of the screwy theories.

 

[azgrandma]

Teenagers need 10 hours of sleep a night, so if Dylan was managing on 6 hours a night, it was going to catch up with him.

IMO - We don't know if DR got 10 hours of sleep or not. According to MR, DR was up until 4 am Sunday morning. From that point he could have gotten 1 hr or more. We don't know when DR went to sleep Sunday night because MR said that he (MR) ran up to bed at 1030 and DR was still awake texting or playing a game.

IF DR went to bed when MR went to bed, he would have had from 1030 - 730 to sleep, 9 hours. Sleep isn't something that HAS to be 10 hrs. it's recommended and I'm not so sure that all studies agree with the amount of time stated in the post.

IMO

 

[Tennlyn]

I'm sure there are, Kim. But I'm really not exactly moved to spend a lot of time looking up all these statistics. I know what I know from professional experience. I also know that parents/caretakers murder their children more often than strangers. Stranger abductions are RARE.
We could look at all the stats out there, but it won't distinguish this case any more than anything else. People choose to believe what they want to believe. And who they want to believe.
The only thing that concerns me about this case is the perspective that it is somehow "rare" for father's to kill and it seems very difficult for many to believe that father's OFTEN kill out of revenge/control/loss of control of an ex. It disturbs me in the same way the issues surrounding Domestic Violence were not part of public awareness until approx 20 years ago....and is still "new" to some.

That reminds me, off the top of your head, do you know how often does spousal violence incidents go unreported? Child abuse?

 

[tamild]

Dylan's cell phone quit communicating with the Tower after 8 PM that Sunday night never to regain communications.

It's not that Dylan decided not to contact anyone, His cell phone loss communications the night before under unknown reasons.

I don't mean to quote you twice, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on something related. What do make of the 9:37 electronic communication and the iPod recovered from the house?

 

[Tennlyn]

The concealed nature of the crime jumps out at me as a difference here In how many of those cases where the father murdered his children was there an attempt to cover it up?

Additionally, I think Dylan's age is also a factor here. It's not like you could lock him in a car in his car seat and push it into a lake. Murdering an almost-adult-sized boy seems different somehow.

IMO

Dylan is only 5' tall and 105 pounds. Much smaller than many women who are killed by their husbands, etc. :moo:

 

[tamild]

In the uncut interview with Mark during the conversation about going to Walmart and the movies in the $5.00 bin that Dylan wanted to buy, at approximately 11:37 Mark says: "so he threw those in, which is one of the movies we would watch the night, you know, we were together."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w&feature=youtu.be

He is mixing past with present and saying that there was more than one movie they would watch that night (or planned to watch that night?). He doesn't say they actually watched it. Unofficial poll, do people here talk in this manner? (I would have said "so he threw those in, and one of those was the movie we watched that night." I wouldn't have said "together" because, well, duh.)

Maybe I hear odd where it's just a speech pattern difference.

Personally, I don't read too much into speech patterns because I've done interviews where I sounded like an idiot. :twocents: Still, I respect that there is potential value in examining someones words.

 

[Confusion]

I've gone through the US DOJ and haven't found any more.

I don't see any links to FBI stats in SuperMom's posts.

You're right, people can probably find stats to verify their opinion, and maybe that's why the blog posts and UK stats are being posted.

I'm looking for information though. If I find more statistics on paternal filicide in the US that indicate it's less rare (or more rare) than the statistics I have found, then my opinion will change along with the information.

I have no problem with people being of the opinion that paternal filicide is common. None. I'm just trying to get information for myself, and it doesn't matter at all to me if people conclude what I do or not. I'm just trying to figure this out for myself. If anyone has info they'd like to share with me, great. If they don't, that's fine too.

This site has some interesting info.

http://www.researchgate.net/publica..._review_of_eight_years_of_clinical_experience

 

[SuperMom1995]

BBM.. How did MR know where to find R? He wasn't at his grandmas, where Dylan was going to go. R was else where in town. A place that R didn't go to until 10:30 ( I think the time is right). R sent a text to Dylan that is where they were at, but Dylan's cell wasn't working by then so he didn't get the text.

YEP, I have always thought that MR had DRs phone with him at least through that next day.

 

[mck16]

YEP, I have always thought that MR had DRs phone with him at least through that next day.

Why do you think that? ty

 

[Dee10]

Normally I would ask that everyone post stats only in the Resource Center. They are a tad off topic. If this were the middle of the Dr. Phil show, I'd be more concerned.

BTW, I saw a note from the mods that frequent this thread that the Dr. Phil show might be a private forum discussion. Just letting the guests know in case anyone out there is looking forward to following along with us - you will need to register beforehand. :kimsterwink:

That sounds like an excellent idea! I am rather fond of the basement. :floorlaugh:

 

[TxJan1971]

I think I am allowed to site facebook? If so, Cory talks about the one way ticket for DR purchased by MR on same day he learns of losing custody and child support.

Link: WWW.facebook.com/DylanRedwineNews/posts/150266681794351

Supermom, per the previous post linked below:

Per Salem:

The official facebook (Find Missing Dylan Redwine) is allowed but (there is always a but ) we are not going to bring their drama here.

Just say something like - see the post yesterday at 10:30 p.m., add the link and then move on, okay? We want to stay up on the news and happenings, but everything is considered rumor and we don't want to bring any drama here. We don't like drama - there is enough real life drama in these threads - we don't need facebook drama too, kwim?

Thanks so much,

Salem

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It is my understanding from the above that you can direct folks to view a specific comment on the OFFICIAL FMDR Facebook page only, provide a link, but then no discussion in WS afterwards. Hope this helps...

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Just because the comments by family members on Facebook are considered rumors HERE does not mean they are false. I understand that we are not allowed to discuss them here, but I have a tendency to believe family members over reporters any day when it comes to knowing facts. I think those that don't at least read the family members comments are missing out on some important facts in this case. JMHO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Just because the comments by family members on Facebook are considered rumors HERE does not mean they are false. I understand that we are not allowed to discuss them here, but I have a tendency to believe family members over reporters any day when it comes to knowing facts. I think those that don't at least read the family members comments are missing out on some important facts in this case. JMHO

I don't consider them to be facts. I consider them to be rumors so I tend to stay away from them. I have no desire to read rumors. MOO.

 

[SmoothOperator]

IMO stats have zero bearing as to whether THIS FATHER has involvement IN THIS CASE of his son's no longer being here..Stats are great to look at, compare, discuss, etc but the fact remains that regardless of whether the stats say 99% of parents kill or 0% of parents kill, or any number in between, the specifics of THIS CASE, INVOLVING THIS FATHER, MARK REDWINE, AND THIS SON, DYLAN REDWINE and the issue of filicide is still here and to many that possibility is great. There are no stats or numbers that can change the specifics of THIS CASE. jmo

 

[NC Analyzer]

IMO stats have zero bearing as to whether THIS FATHER has involvement IN THIS CASE of his son's no longer being here..Stats are great to look at, compare, discuss, etc but the fact remains that regardless of whether the stats say 99% of parents kill or 0% of parents kill, or any number in between, the specifics of THIS CASE, INVOLVING THIS FATHER, MARK REDWINE, AND THIS SON, DYLAN REDWINE and the issue of filicide is still here and to many that possibility is great. There are no stats or numbers that can change that. jmo

Hear, Hear, Smooth!!! :rocker: