CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

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BBM
MR:
So, when he wants to spend time with his friends I get that – I understand that. I have no problem with that.

MR:
All I need to know is that he’s safe and where he’s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it’s likely I’ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he’s at where he says he’s at. Those things were important to me. You know… when he’s with me – it’s me and him, with the exception of his friends. You know… I know those are important to him, but … you know… I monitor what he does, where he’s at. You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time.


From the MR interview with MB

Notice how he keeps repeating not only this interview but others as well that his friends are important to him and he understands that? To me it means that he was not happy with Dylan wanting to be with his friends more than him.

Too bad MR didn't have a girlfriend. I think he would have been more understanding.
 
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I don't consider them to be facts. I consider them to be rumors so I tend to stay away from them. I have no desire to read rumors. MOO.

I consider much of what outsiders have to say 'rumors' over there and I'm not much for all the bickering and name calling, but I don't understand how anyone can disregard facts spoken by immediate family members. They would certainly know more about Dylan than a reporter.
 
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IMO stats have zero bearing as to whether THIS FATHER has involvement IN THIS CASE of his son's no longer being here..Stats are great to look at, compare, discuss, etc but the fact remains that regardless of whether the stats say 99% of parents kill or 0% of parents kill, or any number in between, the specifics of THIS CASE, INVOLVING THIS FATHER, MARK REDWINE, AND THIS SON, DYLAN REDWINE and the issue of filicide is still here and to many that possibility is great. There are no stats or numbers that can change that. jmo

And to others that possibility is very unlikely. No stats will change that either. MOO
 
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Notice how he keeps repeating not only this interview but others as well that his friends are important to him and he understands that? To me it means that he was not happy with Dylan wanting to be with his friends more than him.

Too bad MR didn't have a girlfriend. I think he would have been more understanding.

Do you have a link to anything saying he doesn't have one? I'm also curious to know why you think that having a girlfriend would make him understand his son more. TIA MOO ETC.
 
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It's a known tactic for some people that create FB pages to post information that is misleading in order to create drama in cases. An example of this would be to post some but not all details, giving the reader a different impression on actual events that occurred.

Some FB pages are created specifically for attention and the goal is to get as many followers as possible. Drama brings people back and keeps them posting.

There can be very good official FB pages that are created by family of the missing but there are also a lot of knock off ones out there.

A good example would be of the case of the 5 year old girl in PA that was recently kidnapped and sexually assaulted. Someone made a FB page using her photo and name. They posted details (rumor) about her injuries. Many people believed this was created by family and were commenting on the page. *horrible*
 
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Notice how he keeps repeating not only this interview but others as well that his friends are important to him and he understands that? To me it means that he was not happy with Dylan wanting to be with his friends more than him.

Too bad MR didn't have a girlfriend. I think he would have been more understanding.

I can't believe that a 50 year old man would be jealous of his son's friends. Ludicrous in my opinion.
 
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I consider much of what outsiders have to say 'rumors' over there and I'm not much for all the bickering and name calling, but I don't understand how anyone can disregard facts spoken by immediate family members. They would certainly know more about Dylan than a reporter.

I could explain why I consider them to be rumors but I would have to discuss the comments and that's against the rules.
 
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It's a known tactic for some people that create FB pages to post information that is misleading in order to create drama in cases. An example of this would be to post some but not all details, giving the reader a different impression on actual events that occurred.

Some FB pages are created specifically for attention and the goal is to get as many followers as possible. Drama brings people back and keeps them posting.

There can be very good official FB pages that are created by family of the missing but there are also a lot of knock off ones out there.

A good example would be of the case of the 5 year old girl in PA that was recently kidnapped and sexually assaulted. Someone made a FB page using her photo and name. They posted details (rumor) about her injuries. Many people believed this was created by family and were commenting on the page. *horrible*

This is very true. And one has to use some common sense. I was only talking about direct family members comments, not all those other comments. I don't put much weight into any of that. But I do pay attention when direct family members speak about facts.
 
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I could explain why I consider them to be rumors but I would have to discuss the comments and that's against the rules.

And likewise, I could explain why I consider direct family members comments to be facts but I would have to go into details that are against the rules here.

So once again, we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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I think that depends on the child and the parent. It sounds like Dylan would hang out with friends and touch base at some point, but not necessarily right away. Maybe dad assumed that he slept until 10, that he wandered down the street to visit a friend at 11, that he would be home for lunch around 1 ... all reasonable ... but at 2:30, he knew that he had to track Dylan down ... and that's exactly what he tried to do.

otto you child is on a court ordered visit to you his dad he is 13 yrs old
his friends live 18 miles away you leave him (supposedly) to go do you CHORES you come home your beloved son isnt there..... nO NOTE not text message, no phone call...also everything he came with is gone.....he even took a fishing pole......what do you do take a nap...He cant account for time as i see it and by taking a nap he dosent have to make up and remember another story. All JMO


I dont think Dylan was there.. but thats:twocents: my
 
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This is very true. And one has to use some common sense. I was only talking about direct family members comments, not all those other comments. I don't put much weight into any of that. But I do pay attention when direct family members speak about facts.

I can only ditto what Ranch said above. There are to many things on FB that are stated and then mysteriously go poof.
 
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In the uncut interview with Mark during the conversation about going to Walmart and the movies in the $5.00 bin that Dylan wanted to buy, at approximately 11:37 Mark says: "so he threw those in, which is one of the movies we would watch the night, you know, we were together."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w&feature=youtu.be

He is mixing past with present and saying that there was more than one movie they would watch that night (or planned to watch that night?). He doesn't say they actually watched it. Unofficial poll, do people here talk in this manner? (I would have said "so he threw those in, and one of those was the movie we watched that night." I wouldn't have said "together" because, well, duh.)

Maybe I hear odd where it's just a speech pattern difference.

The speech patterns we hear while growing up sometimes become so ingrained even if living in a completely different area of the country, as an adult, it is hard to rewire our brains to talk appropriately.
I am a southerner. Some southerners mix tenses and are even know to create their own words.
We do it all the time. It is not a big deal and makes for a memorable, unique person. It is who we are!:great:

Doesn't MR have family in NC? One would assume he grew up there, thus the speech patterns of mixing past and present tense. Other oddities in his speech which have been pointed out here at WS - to me they are normal -:floorlaugh: IMO, as a southerner, reflect directly on a southern heritage. :twocents:

ubm from your quote above

at approximately 11:37 Mark says: "so he threw those in, which is one of the movies we would watch

My interpretation of this statement, FWIW, is, in his mind, as he is talking, he is reflecting on being in Walmart, D is picking out the movies - the movies they would watch later. Later is the word he left out. Leaving out words, IMO, is another side effect of a southern heritage. Although MR's speech is not alarming to me, I can see others POV.

the movies they would watch:

Upon reflection of the moment in Walmart when the movies were being picked out, they had not been watched yet, "would watch" is perfectly normal to say. MR was retelling as a reflection of a moment in time. At that exact moment in time, the movies had not been watched. He could not say and we watched, because his telling of the event is when they were inside Walmart, picking out movies. (which would be watched, later or later, they would be watched)

Another thing about southern people is we beat around the bush and eventually answer the question which was …

"Unofficial poll, do people here talk in this manner?"

YES, some people do. Namely people who have been exposed - poor thangs - to Southern speech. :blushing:
 
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I can't believe that a 50 year old man would be jealous of his son's friends. Ludicrous in my opinion.

Hes jealous of the time Dylan wants to spend with these friends!
JMO

Heck I felt bad when my kids didnt want to hang around Mom anymore.
 
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I think no matter what that Mark would of been upset that Dylan gets off the plane and all he wants to do is see R .. I don't care if its Mark or any other parent they would of felt something . Mark has not seen Dylan since September and yet Dylan wants to be with friends . That would of hurt

MOO
 
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If you have any paternal filicide statistics for the U.S. other than the ones I posted (again, not those referenced in your quote, which I posted to reference body disposal and a quote from the document, not filicide statistics), I would appreciate it if you'd share them. It's very difficult to find info on paternal filicide since it's so rare.

http://www.jaapl.org/content/35/1/74.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17389348/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12718963/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20542944/

http://www.coplac.org/publications/metamorphosis/metamorphosis.php?id=124

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213403000413

http://books.google.com/books?id=Yl...X&ei=7-sjUcHMFeaMyAHB04CoBg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATgK

I will be sending some more as well.
 
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Hes jealous of the time Dylan wants to spend with these friends!
JMO

Heck I felt bad when my kids didnt want to hang around Mom anymore.

When your kids want to be with their friends and not you is only exerting their growing independence and having interests outside of mom and dad. If they are independent and have other interests this indicates you have done a good job and you can cut the apron strings. I also believe there were reports that MR often did activities with DR and his friends. jmo
 
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The study by Kirkwood is in Australia. If you have any studies or statistics for the U.S. on paternal filicide, I would really appreciate if you'd share them.

In the other study Murder in Families I don't see anything breaking out frequency by fathers. If you have any studies that do, again, I'd appreciate the name of the study or who it's by so I can try to find it.

Thanks

Most studies refer to Americans and site some American examples even if the study takes place in another country.
 
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one more thing about speech:

In one of MR's interviews, WS's thought he said he was "pacing" around the morning he was trying to get D to get up. I never got a chance to do a relisten. My thoughts on pacing around are: He could have said putting around or puttering around. Each of these terms is southern for walking around, not doing anything in particular, maybe quick & easy chores, nothing that would require much time or effort. :twocents:
 
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YEP, I have always thought that MR had DRs phone with him at least through that next day.

Okay- this idea blows my mind. Can't decide whether I agree or not. Is the scenario that MR confiscated Dylan's phone the night before? I find this very probable. But I believe Dylan went missing, so to speak, Sunday night so why would MR hold onto the phone the next day? And if he had the phone, he wouldn't dare turn it on to look at texts, would he? Because then the phone would ping and LE says the last electronic communication was either 8:01 (phone) or 9:37 (godknowswhat device) so no pings/power to the phone. Help me out here b/c this is an interesting idea.
 
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