CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[The Cheese]

http://www.jaapl.org/content/35/1/74.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17389348/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12718963/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20542944/

http://www.coplac.org/publications/metamorphosis/metamorphosis.php?id=124

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213403000413

http://books.google.com/books?id=Yl...X&ei=7-sjUcHMFeaMyAHB04CoBg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATgK

I will be sending some more as well.

Okay. I specifically said I was interested in U.S. paternal filicide statistics and studies, and I clicked through a few of your links and they were Canada, Finland, and Fiji.

If you have any for the U.S., I'd appreciate them. Thanks.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I can't believe that a 50 year old man would be jealous of his son's friends. Ludicrous in my opinion.

I don't think he was jealous. It think that the whole reason for the visit with MR was a control issue. If he allowed Dylan to immediately is it his friend, MR wouldn't be in control. He had Dylan there to prove that he was in control, MOO.

 

[asyousay]

I don't think he was jealous. It think that the whole reason for the visit with MR was a control issue. If he allowed Dylan to immediately is it his friend, MR wouldn't be in control. He had Dylan there to prove that he was in control, MOO.

I agree ... i always find it ironic that when Dylan lived close by Mark did not see Dylan much . But he moves away and suddenly he wants Dylan to visit and to spend time with him . IMO

 

[SuperMom1995]

I've gone through the US DOJ and haven't found any more.

I don't see any links to FBI stats in SuperMom's posts.

You're right, people can probably find stats to verify their opinion, and maybe that's why the blog posts and UK stats are being posted.

I'm looking for information though. If I find more statistics on paternal filicide in the US that indicate it's less rare (or more rare) than the statistics I have found, then my opinion will change along with the information.

I have no problem with people being of the opinion that paternal filicide is common. None. I'm just trying to get information for myself, and it doesn't matter at all to me if people conclude what I do or not. I'm just trying to figure this out for myself. If anyone has info they'd like to share with me, great. If they don't, that's fine too.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...o-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain

http://www.fbi.gov/fbi-search?q=fil...=UTF-8&siteurl=www.fbi.gov/&q=parental+murder

 

[Eileen730]

When your kids want to be with their friends and not you is only exerting their growing independence and having interests outside of mom and dad. If they are independent and have other interests this indicates you have done a good job and you can cut the apron strings. I also believe there were reports that MR often did activities with DR and his friends. jmo

Agreed!
But dad only had a week and dylan wanted his bud's. I dont think it went over to well.
Dylan is a 13 yr old kid hes not realizing How important his time with his father might mean to his father. All he sees is Bayfield and his old friends.

I just dont think dad took it to well!

All JMO

 

[SuperMom1995]

I've gone through the US DOJ and haven't found any more.

I don't see any links to FBI stats in SuperMom's posts.

You're right, people can probably find stats to verify their opinion, and maybe that's why the blog posts and UK stats are being posted.

I'm looking for information though. If I find more statistics on paternal filicide in the US that indicate it's less rare (or more rare) than the statistics I have found, then my opinion will change along with the information.

I have no problem with people being of the opinion that paternal filicide is common. None. I'm just trying to get information for myself, and it doesn't matter at all to me if people conclude what I do or not. I'm just trying to figure this out for myself. If anyone has info they'd like to share with me, great. If they don't, that's fine too.

I believe the following are mostly about Americans:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mf.pdf

www.livesecure.org/mothers-who-kill-their-babies/

www.denverpost.com ›

www.slate.com/articles/news.../when_parents_kill.

www.*********.com/.../10564653-filicide-parents-killing-their-children

abcnews.go.com › Health

www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/01/.../annals-of-filicide.html

endoftheamericandream.com

www.dewar4research.org/docs/chom.pdf

Have a good read! :seeya:

 

[Ghostwheel]

one more thing about speech:

In one of MR's interviews, WS's thought he said he was "pacing" around the morning he was trying to get D to get up. I never got a chance to do a relisten. My thoughts on pacing around are: He could have said putting around or puttering around. Each of these terms is southern for walking around, not doing anything in particular, maybe quick & easy chores, nothing that would require much time or effort. :twocents:

Thank you for your input, Flutterflies. (I'm not quoting the long response ) This helps me understand how other people might talk, and see how the same words get interpreted differently. To quote Smokey and the Bandit: “When you tell somebody something, it depends on what part of the country you're standing in as to just how dumb you are.”

 

[NC Analyzer]

Thank you for your input, Flutterflies. (I'm not quoting the long response ) This helps me understand how other people might talk, and see how the same words get interpreted differently. To quote Smokey and the Bandit: “When you tell somebody something, it depends on what part of the country you're standing in as to just how dumb you are.”

Well, I live in NC and I interact with family's from all socioeconomic backgrounds routinely...most of them born and raised in the south, but I've never once heard any of them refer to "pacing" to indicate walking around the house. I have heard them say "puttering", but not "pacing". :floorlaugh:

 

[Ronald99]

It's a known tactic for some people that create FB pages to post information that is misleading in order to create drama in cases. An example of this would be to post some but not all details, giving the reader a different impression on actual events that occurred.

Some FB pages are created specifically for attention and the goal is to get as many followers as possible. Drama brings people back and keeps them posting.

There can be very good official FB pages that are created by family of the missing but there are also a lot of knock off ones out there.

A good example would be of the case of the 5 year old girl in PA that was recently kidnapped and sexually assaulted. Someone made a FB page using her photo and name. They posted details (rumor) about her injuries. Many people believed this was created by family and were commenting on the page. *horrible*

Just a quick question concerning Facebook, I've noticed there's two Facebook links out there, The one the mods said we could briefly speak of, and there's a second that certain Family members have been Frequently updating with their postings.

I'm not going to name the second Facebook link because of the Mods rules, it just seems the second Facebook link has actual Family members posting, and I've noticed they are not very favorable about the FDMR Facebook page.

I just wanted to throw this out there.

 

[Flutterflies]

Thank you for your input, Flutterflies. (I'm not quoting the long response ) This helps me understand how other people might talk, and see how the same words get interpreted differently. To quote Smokey and the Bandit: “When you tell somebody something, it depends on what part of the country you're standing in as to just how dumb you are.”

bbm

Ha Ha Ha! Thanks for the laugh! The quote is so true. :seeya:

 

[Ghostwheel]

I can't believe that a 50 year old man would be jealous of his son's friends. Ludicrous in my opinion.

Maybe not jealous of his friends, but envious of the time Dylan wanted to spend with his friends. Possibly angry that Dylan didn't want to spend as much time with his dad as his dad said he wanted to with Dylan or how Dylan didn't want the same things Mark wanted. That comes up time and again in the interview, how Mark wanted X but Dylan wanted Y. As I listened, I had to wonder if they agreed on anything, especially that night. (Place to eat for dinner, how they wanted to spend Thanksgiving, the movie, when to go to his friends, etc).

 

[TxJan1971]

MR did state that he was "pacing" the floor, but it was Sunday night when he used the word pacing.

Melissa Blasius:
So… so… you guys watched the movie, and then… and then what happened, did he just?

Mark Redwine:
Well, we were watching the movie together. I remember the movie being finished. I at some point was pacing the floor and got up and was taking care of a few little things you know over here at the kitchen table while we were doing that but, you know, it was – Shortly after the ending of that movie, which my guess, and I don’t recall because I don’t keep track of the clock… you know…it must have been… I thought it was earlier in the beginning…’cos I was fairly tired anyway, and I know Dylan was tired because he indicated to me that because he had been up ‘till 4:00 the night before and that he had spent most of the day in the airport traveling to get here that he was tired, and, you know, it seems to me it had to been about 10:30’ish maybe by the time the movie got done… somewhere in there and, you know, shortly after that I ran up and went to bed and he finished up doin’ whatever he was doin’ watching Nickelodeon or whatever he was watching.

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[SuperMom1995]

In the uncut interview with Mark during the conversation about going to Walmart and the movies in the $5.00 bin that Dylan wanted to buy, at approximately 11:37 Mark says: "so he threw those in, which is one of the movies we would watch the night, you know, we were together."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w&feature=youtu.be

He is mixing past with present and saying that there was more than one movie they would watch that night (or planned to watch that night?). He doesn't say they actually watched it. Unofficial poll, do people here talk in this manner? (I would have said "so he threw those in, and one of those was the movie we watched that night." I wouldn't have said "together" because, well, duh.)

Maybe I hear odd where it's just a speech pattern difference.

From what I understand tenses and pronouns are learned as small children and are instinctive, so even if you have an accent or do not use proper grammar, a person talking about a past event will not confuse present and past tense. If you are using present tense when referring to a past event it usually means to are not being truthful. I personally subscribe to the idea that a persons words and behavior can indicate if they are lying or not. Also pay real close attention to his pronouns. He should be using "I" a lot when answering important questions about Dylan, more than "we" and "Us"and "you" That is something people do when they want to share guilt or blame - for deflecting. He certainly is not we and us with Elaine.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Well, I live in NC and I interact with family's from all socioeconomic backgrounds routinely...most of them born and raised in the south, but I've never once heard any of them refer to "pacing" to indicate walking around the house. I have heard them say "puttering", but not "pacing". :floorlaugh:

I have heard "pacing" when referring to waiting for someone, or trying to remember what they were going to do, or for some, when they are on the phone they "pace around the house". But no, not for just doing little chores.

 

[YidArmyRach]

So he hangs out with his friends. Mom knew where he was if he stayed the night. He often stayed up late so he didn't always text her until the next morning. So? Sounds like most kids. Spend the night with a friend, mom knows where to find him. No worries. He lets her know the next day that he's awake and probably headed out again somewhere with his buddies. Not a problem for most parents.

It would be a problem to me as a parent.

Whilst I don't mind my 13 year old having the odd sleepover in the holidays, the general rule is that he is home each evening for dinner. He can go back out afterwards for a bit, but has to be home in good time for bed.

There is no way I'd let my any of my sons, at 13, be sleeping in different places each night, with no set plans each day of where they would be ending up that night.

That's just me. I'm not saying its wrong or anything - just wanted to say that I didn't agree that "most parents" wouldn't find the above a problem. I don't know any parents who let their children have that lifestyle at 13... even in the school holidays.

 

[Flutterflies]

Just a quick question concerning Facebook, I've noticed there's two Facebook links out there, The one the mods said we could briefly speak of, and there's a second that certain Family members have been Frequently updating with their postings.

I'm not going to name the second Facebook link because of the Mods rules, it just seems the second Facebook link has actual Family members posting, and I've noticed they are not very favorable about the FDMR Facebook page.

I just wanted to throw this out there.

bbm I wonder why? I thought Elaine's friend ran the FMDR page and Elaine backed her friend. I do not keep up with the pages much.

 

[Lordeebee]

I don't think he was jealous. It think that the whole reason for the visit with MR was a control issue. If he allowed Dylan to immediately is it his friend, MR wouldn't be in control. He had Dylan there to prove that he was in control, MOO.

I didn't realize there is actually a name for this behavior until I saw this article, very interesting imo.
High degrees of conflict during custody settlements and litigation are almost sure signs in these affected families. Hostile-aggressive parents are unable to appreciate the needs of their child and in many cases view their child as a possession belonging to them and no other persons have any right to the child, especially not the child’s other parent or other persons that the HAP parent does not like. Hostile-aggressive parents will use the child as a weapon against the other spouse and family members whenever they have the opportunity

Read more: http://www.hostile-aggressive-parenting.com/what_is_Hostile_Aggressive_Parenting.asp

 

[Ghostwheel]

It would be a problem to me as a parent.

Whilst I don't mind my 13 year old having the odd sleepover in the holidays, the general rule is that he is home each evening for dinner. He can go back out afterwards for a bit, but has to be home in good time for bed.

There is no way I'd let my any of my sons, at 13, be sleeping in different places each night, with no set plans each day of where they would be ending up that night.

That's just me. I'm not saying its wrong or anything - just wanted to say that I didn't agree that "most parents" wouldn't find the above a problem. I don't know any parents who let their children have that lifestyle at 13... even in the school holidays.

I'm thinking this might depend on where you live, too. My kids tell me BEFOREhand where they are going, and if it changes, they let me know that, too. Just our rules and because we live in a large city.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Why do you think that? ty

Well, its no secret that I think he is responsible for Dylan's disappearance because of many factors I have named through out the threads and he has made some comments that made me think he had read his texts word for word before they were transcribed for everyone to see.

 

[Ronald99]

bbm I wonder why? I thought Elaine's friend ran the FMDR page and Elaine backed her friend. I do not keep up with the pages much.

Elaine's Finance Mike Hall has been posting quite a bit on the other Facebook page.