CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[dlc]

Can I just rant about the FB pages...all of them? Okay, most people on them seem to believe that Mark is hiding Dylan. But if so, why do you have so much vitriol towards him? I am not excusing someone hiding their child from the child's mother, but you would think these people thought Mark had murdered Dylan. Unless you know the family in real life, why are you so involved in what you essentially believe is a custody battle?

And the posts about the Dr. Phil show seem to boil down to, "Now the entire country is going to hate Mark! If he thought the witch hunt was bad now...." -_- Like the show is the perfect opportunity to get more people on their side.

I follow two of them. There's a group who appear to be trying to "keep the faith/hope" that Dylan is alive and being hidden. If that is true, I can see why people might be just a little peeved at the person they believe to be responsible for this scenario, because it is one in which the child's fate cannot be known. Imagine being the mother -- you don't know if it's true, or not true, if your son is dead, or being held by someone who would actually do something like this. And if he's capable of this, what else might he do? What might his final act be?

There's another group who believe nothing of the sort.

Either way, there's lots of interesting information out there, its veracity to be judged by the reader.

IMO, JMO.

 

[Confusion]

“When that person passed that along to us we put that other person's description out in hopes that they will see that on the news and contact us because they were apparently on that county road the day Dylan went missing and we want to know if they saw any vehicles, if they saw anyone that looked like Dylan or anything of that effect,” Bender said.

Bender said it is possible that the person was not from the area and is not familiar with the ongoing case.

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_855fb6b2-7ad5-11e2-b0a7-001a4bcf887a.html

Why do I get the feeling that the tipster is an elderly woman who is afraid of having the renter know she talked to LE about him?

 

[KateNY]

I hope they pan the audience at Dr Phil?

see if the rumor is true about XXZ who said they went to support MR

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Why do I get the feeling that the tipster is an elderly woman who is afraid of having the renter know she talked to LE about him?

I know I sure wouldn't want my name released to the public, if I left a tip on a ongoing high profile investigation.

Not only because it might put me in danger, but also because I wouldn't want reporters banging on my door or curious people.

 

[deoneta]

It's a long shot because the audience is only a few hundred people, but after the taping, I am going to do some searching to see if I can find tweets from someone who was in the audience.

I found the twitter of some guy who says he will in the audience today. I don't think I can post it but if he comments on the show, I'll paraphrase.

ETA: I have found 7 twitters in all of people going to the Dr. Phil taping today.

Thank you! Have you seen a particular hashtag?

 

[Ronald99]

I am new to this thread, but not WS. The first thing I ever saw about this case was the uncut video of MR. I suspected him right away for all the reasons so many of you have pointed out. I was thinking about the texting and ay have missed a discussion of this in the many past threads. Someone said via LE or MSM that all text activity stopped at 9:37 on Sunday night. Is this correct? I see in this article R is texting DR all day Monday without a reply. http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy%E2%80%99s-life-- In the uncut video with MR, MR says that Monday morning while he was in town running errands, he texted D saying things like, "Hey Dude are you up yet?", "Call me." "Is there anything you need?" MR says "I was trying to get a hold of him to get a better idea of what we were going to do for thanksgiving, knowing I was in Durango and could pick up stuff for thanksgiving, so that was my biggest reason for trying to communicate with him." That's a lot of texts or attempted communication on Monday before he gets home at 11:30. There should be a record of all that. LE would be able to confirm those texts from MR. Would that mean the phone was not dead? Or are they getting these text records from the cell company?

MR, talking about the text messages he sent to Dylan that Monday, and the part about sending text messages about Thansgiving was eerie.

It made me think about the "Michael Blagg" case. where he murdered his wife and child in Colorado, and that morning at work he was calling and leaving strange messages on the answering machine attempting to stage his alibi.

 

[Seajay]

I know I sure wouldn't want my name released to the public, if I left a tip on a ongoing high profile investigation.

Not only because it might put me in danger, but also because I wouldn't want reporters banging on my door or curious people.

Or having angry protesters having a rally outside her house.

 

[Darcyline]

Yeah there is no way I would be anything but completely anonymous in my tips to LE about any case. Well, not anonymous to LE, but to everyone else obviously. Not really in this case, but in others having a tip basically makes you a suspect and I have read about people stalking outside of their houses or calling them and harassing. No thanks.

I know everyone seems to think the tip is not important, but from an LE that has been unbelievably quiet I cannot but help think it is meaningful somehow.

I am hoping the show and tip somehow come together to break the case

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Thank you! Have you seen a particular hashtag?

Nah, it doesn't like anyone who is tweeting about going to the taping is using any kind of hashtag. The only one that you might find some twitters is #drphil

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Dr. Phil generally tapes two shows a day on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Arrival times are between 8:00-8:15 a.m. Audience members will enjoy back-to-back shows and be out at approximately 1:00 p.m.

So we have about 1 1/2 hours before the taping ends...

 

[SCHMAE]

I doubt if any audience member would comment today. I would think since the shows tape a week before airing, they may be bound ( although unenforceable) to be quiet until the show is on tv right?
I 've thought about this with shows like american idol when obviously some of the contestants know before the public who got put forward and who did not . There has to be
some type of gag order in effect.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I doubt if any audience member would comment today. I would think since the shows tape a week before airing, they may be bound ( although unenforceable) to be quiet until the show is on tv right?
I 've thought about this with shows like american idol when obviously some of the contestants know before the public who got put forward and who did not . There has to be
some type of gag order in effect.

Nope, I went to a taping of X-Factor and there were no rules about posting things online. And I obviously knew "spoilers" since I knew who went to the next round; It was an audition episode. I'm an Idol fan, and spoilers are always leaked...I knew the Top 40 like weeks before it was announced. There's a difference between the contestants signing a contract, and the audience.

How would they monitor the twitter or facebook accounts of people who were at the taping, anyway? Also, there's no point in even having that rule because the # of people that audience members will reach through tweets is so minimal...and it's not like you can really "spoil" Dr. Phil.

 

[SCHMAE]

Nope, I went to a taping of X-Factor and there were no rules about posting things online. And I obviously knew "spoilers" since I knew who went to the next round; It was an audition episode. I'm an Idol fan, and spoilers are always leaked...I knew the Top 40 like weeks before it was announced. There's a difference between the contestants signing a contract, and the audience.

How would they monitor the twitter or facebook accounts of people who were at the taping, anyway? Also, there's no point in even having that rule because the # of people that audience members will reach through tweets is so minimal...and it's not like you can really "spoil" Dr. Phil.

Oh really ? Ok good info. tks
Yea, lol@ spoil dr phil . You're probably right.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Well when I hear MR talk about certain things I somehow get the impression that the opposite is, or at least was, true that evening. Another thing that keeps nagging at me is the "Dylan is a peacekeeper" conversation.

We've got a 13yr old boy who has just gone through a lot of change in the past few months, positive change from the standpoint of his mother and older brother. He was happy with the move according to the people who spend the most time with him. But we've also got an uneccessary custody drama going on IMO. Dylan's biggest influence as I see it would be his older brother. Maybe he didn't express to his mother how he really felt about what his father was doing by using him to block this move but I'd imagine he talked to his brother about it. And do they consider him a peacekeeper? Was he talking positive to them about MR during this? Or was he upset about all of it? Do they think he would not voice his opinion about it all to his father at the first opportunity they got together?

MR would have us believe that Dylan would not discuss any of this with him, because he's a "peacekeeper". What 13yr old boy (or girl really) is not self centered enough to be vocal about something he disagrees with that affects him? And why would Dylan feel that it was best not to talk to his father about something he disagreed with his father doing both to his mother and to himself? What would be the consequences of doing so? Is there some previous incident that would lead Dylan to believe that he has to keep the peace between his parents? And was Dylan angry enough at his father that evening to break that "peacekeeping" trend?

Not sure if I'm making my point clear here. :waitasec:

MOO

ETA: I guess what I'm saying is that I would think that CR would know more about what Dylan would or wouldn't do in the presence of his father and he seems to be unconvinced by anything MR has said so far.

I agree the older brother would be more informed if they have a close relationship (I think they do). But I also have to disagree that a 13 year old wouldn't hold their tongue. It depends on the kid. Some do things like say they couldn't sign up for football because they registered too late, knowing the reason this happened was because of the person they are talking to (a passive aggressive behavior), and some just say nothing because if they express any opinion whatsoever to a self centered parent (not saying this is the case), the parent gets angry at them and they are trying to avoid that. My own son really dislikes any kind of yelling to the point where if he THINKS there will be any conflict, he will say nothing.

That being said, some of the things regarding that night do lead me to believe that Dylan was testing or pushing because he was resentful he had to be there (mentioning he couldn't register for football, wanted to have movies from the $5 bin, wanted McDonalds instead of what his dad wanted, wanted to go see his friends right away, etc) These are things kids do to see how far they can go before there is pushback, especially in a situation where they think a parent wants to get on their good side.

 

[SCHMAE]

Has anyone thought that ER might retract her statements about MR's involvement?
HYPOTHETICAL AHEAD
What if ER says something like "" I'm sorry I accused you earlier. I know you loved DR . I know you'd never hurt him. I know you and him bonded so tight when he was a little guy and that he's a real daddy's boy . I was just scared to death and should never have said that . "

 

[Annie1004]

Can I just rant about the FB pages...all of them? Okay, most people on them seem to believe that Mark is hiding Dylan. But if so, why do you have so much vitriol towards him? I am not excusing someone hiding their child from the child's mother, but you would think these people thought Mark had murdered Dylan. Unless you know the family in real life, why are you so involved in what you essentially believe is a custody battle?

And the posts about the Dr. Phil show seem to boil down to, "Now the entire country is going to hate Mark! If he thought the witch hunt was bad now...." -_- Like the show is the perfect opportunity to get more people on their side.

BBM: Probably the same reason as here: MR was last to see DR, people/family do not feel he is forthcoming, he hasn't been cleared by LE, etc. IMO.

 

[deoneta]

Has anyone thought that ER might retract her statements about MR's involvement?
HYPOTHETICAL AHEAD
What if ER says something like "" I'm sorry I accused you earlier. I know you loved DR . I know you'd never hurt him. I know you and him bonded so tight when he was a little guy and that he's a real daddy's boy . I was just scared to death and should never have said that . "

I don't see this happening, but JMO. I don't think ER said what she's said lightly or without what she considers good cause.

 

[Eileen730]

Has anyone thought that ER might retract her statements about MR's involvement?
HYPOTHETICAL AHEAD
What if ER says something like "" I'm sorry I accused you earlier. I know you loved DR . I know you'd never hurt him. I know you and him bonded so tight when he was a little guy and that he's a real daddy's boy . I was just scared to death and should never have said that . "

Nope!

 

[Ghostwheel]

Has anyone thought that ER might retract her statements about MR's involvement?
HYPOTHETICAL AHEAD
What if ER says something like "" I'm sorry I accused you earlier. I know you loved DR . I know you'd never hurt him. I know you and him bonded so tight when he was a little guy and that he's a real daddy's boy . I was just scared to death and should never have said that . "

My belief is on the "No" side of that. Maybe further down the road, but right now, she sent her child off for a court ordered visitation that he didn't even want and now he's missing. If this happened to me, reasonable or not, I'd still be in the angry stage. ("If you hadn't insisted he go visit you, this wouldn't have happened" category)

ETA: Which brings to mind that if I had been on the father's end of this, I'd be on my knees apologizing up one side and down the next for having him come visit for Thanksgiving. I'd be SAYING that none of this would have happened if it weren't for me. (Even if that isn't exactly true, I'd still think that way) That is something else that does not sit right with me.

 

[SuperMom1995]

It was posted yesterday that MR and ER were going to drive DR home meeting half way. Thus one way ticket. Please report complete facts.

However I believe it was his idea to get the ticket on that day or else Cory would not have made such an issue about it, JMO - NOT VERIFIED and we are all stating, not "reporting", what we believe to be relevant, and unless it is a rule or a mod tells me to, I don't have to say anything else.

Also who VERIFIED the above bolded. I know I heard it from MR. Is this what you mean? jmo

Yes, MR himself.