CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[Ausgirl]

I predict that psychics will not solve this case. Like they haven't solved thousands of others in which they've wasted untold LE time and resources.

And being psychic used to be my job. I still am one, though retired from reading now. The ethics (or lack of) among my former peers was my biggest sore point, and speaking out against that is the reason I ceased being invited to their reindeer games.

I just loathe it when psychics cluster around crimes like flies, each convinced they have the 'truth'. It's a bit like a gang of tiny little fundamental religions each with a single member - all think they're in possession of THE truth. And none of them ever are.

/end rant. and apologies. Just, I saw some hearse chaser or other posting on Dylan's FB wall and wanted to slap them. Hard.

eta: the above is written with profuse apologies to the 0.05% (in my estimation) of 'professional' psychics capable of actually helping a case, rather than making things far worse for everyone involved, especially the families. From my long-term experience, I highly doubt anyone who boasts about 'working with' police is among that number.

 

[ColdHands]

I've been trying to think about where Dylan could be.

If MR did something Sunday night, the clock starts at either 8:10ish or 9:37, depending on which you put faith in. If it started with the later time, he'd have 10 hours to do something. Which could put Dylan as far away as Albuquerque, or Grand Junction or Lake Powell even. Walsenburg is about as far east as you can get but east is kind of an interesting direction. Didn't one of the press releases say they searched on the eastern plains somewhere? I wouldn't call Walsenburg eastern plains (it's right at the junction of hwy 25, straight shot east of Durango) but that highway continues into La Junta and Lamar which are definitely eastern plains. Eastern plains of course is a huge area

If MR killed Dylan, he could be up to 4 1/2 hours from there and there's an awful lot of undeveloped land in that radius I really hope the cadaver dogs checked MR's trucks because there's no way he could transport a body for that long without scent transfer. IMO

However, if MR is responsible and let's say he's hiding Dylan somewhere, he might have returned on Monday to where ever he's holding him to check on him after his attorney appointment. If his attorney appointment ended at 10 (speculation) he had until about 4 when he showed up in Bayfield at the friend's house. So 6 hours or enough for a 3 hour trip each way. But you'd probably want to allow at least an hour for dealing with whatever when he checked on him.

If MR is hiding Dylan, I'd speculate that Dylan is probably somewhere up to 2 1/2 hours from Vallecito. Assuming of course that he wasn't handed off to anyone.

If a stranger or acquaintance abducted Dylan, the clock never ended on the window of opportunity. Ignoring statistics that say children are generally dead within 3 hours of an abduction, Dylan could literally be anywhere in the world right now.

 

[ColdHands]

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ETA: can anyone recall exactly when it was that Mark moved to the house in which Dylan went missing?

Good question. Per La Plata county property records, MR bought the Vallecito house in his name only (ER was not on the record) in 2006. I have not seen anything that indicated when ER and MR separated, just that the divorce was in 2007.

 

[cluciano63]

If LE has more info on this possible witness and are not releasing it, then I wonder even more about how this case has been handled. It has been months now...any little clue they get they have to try to locate the person, in order to rule them out. The vague description offered fits millions in the US.

LE seemed pretty much "stuck" to me, when they gave put their two theories a few weeks ago.

They would seek this man even if they "suspect" MR or can't clear him, because obviously they do not have anything to arrest MR on. So of course, they have to clear anyone who is brought to their attention.

 

[mck16]

I think it is admirable that you have been reading, taking notes, and are just now thoughtfully stating your theory of what happened to Dylan. I thoroughly agree with your account of what went down, if it was not pre meditated and he snapped. He had plenty of time to do whatever he had to do to get rid of ALL evidence.

However, even though I agree with Smooth and NC that statistics do not dictate what may have happened in any individual case, after reading the reasons why men kill their children, I can now see that this may have been premeditated for the following reasons:

MR Lost custody and child support of Dylan on 9/21/2012 - VERIFIED

MR bought a one way plane ticket for Dylan to visit him (court ordered) for Thanksgiving, on 9/21/12, which is stated by brother Cory on a site that is not acknowledged here, but I believe him.
MR only purchases enough groceries for a few days. VERIFIED

MR has no finalized plans for them on Thanksgiving. VERIFIEDMR had an appointment set up with his divorce attorney for the day after Dylan arrived. VERIFIED

JMO

It was posted yesterday that MR and ER were going to drive DR home meeting half way. Thus one way ticket. Please report complete facts.

Also who VERIFIED the above bolded. I know I heard it from MR. Is this what you mean? jmo

 

[song22]

I am new to this thread, but not WS. The first thing I ever saw about this case was the uncut video of MR. I suspected him right away for all the reasons so many of you have pointed out. I was thinking about the texting and ay have missed a discussion of this in the many past threads. Someone said via LE or MSM that all text activity stopped at 9:37 on Sunday night. Is this correct? I see in this article R is texting DR all day Monday without a reply. http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy%E2%80%99s-life-- In the uncut video with MR, MR says that Monday morning while he was in town running errands, he texted D saying things like, "Hey Dude are you up yet?", "Call me." "Is there anything you need?" MR says "I was trying to get a hold of him to get a better idea of what we were going to do for thanksgiving, knowing I was in Durango and could pick up stuff for thanksgiving, so that was my biggest reason for trying to communicate with him." That's a lot of texts or attempted communication on Monday before he gets home at 11:30. There should be a record of all that. LE would be able to confirm those texts from MR. Would that mean the phone was not dead? Or are they getting these text records from the cell company?

 

[ColdHands]

I am new to this thread, but not WS. The first thing I ever saw about this case was the uncut video of MR. I suspected him right away for all the reasons so many of you have pointed out. I was thinking about the texting and ay have missed a discussion of this in the many past threads. Someone said via LE or MSM that all text activity stopped at 9:37 on Sunday night. Is this correct? I see in this article R is texting DR all day Monday without a reply. http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy%E2%80%99s-life-- In the uncut video with MR, MR says that Monday morning while he was in town running errands, he texted D saying things like, "Hey Dude are you up yet?", "Call me." "Is there anything you need?" MR says "I was trying to get a hold of him to get a better idea of what we were going to do for thanksgiving, knowing I was in Durango and could pick up stuff for thanksgiving, so that was my biggest reason for trying to communicate with him." That's a lot of texts or attempted communication on Monday before he gets home at 11:30. There should be a record of all that. LE would be able to confirm those texts from MR. Would that mean the phone was not dead? Or are they getting these text records from the cell company?

There is no outgoing text activity on Monday. Dylan's friend provided screen shots of his texts sent to Dylan on Monday. MR has not made public any texts he sent Dylan on Monday.

 

[Kamille]

Mark also said something about they did not have time to talk about the "new house".....I'm sure that's a sore spot for Mark

Yes, I'd really like to know how often, if ever, MR spent time with Dylan locally in the past three years or so. How often did Dylan just go hang out at his house overnight for a visit. Or how often did MR just drop by the house in Bayfield and take Dylan out for a few hours?

If their only contact in the past three years was for these long distance baseball vacations, what real difference would it have made to MR if Dylan was living farther away? He has driven great distances to spend time with his son in the past apparently. And in his own words he was willing to do it for Dylan.

So why did he fight this move other than the fact that it ticked him off and he could? That in order to make things miserable for both ER and MH, he had some legal leverage with his son to prevent them from getting together in their new home in Colorado Springs. He did not have his son's best interests at heart at all when he decided to do this. I don't think anyone was trying to change anything other than location at the beginning. Same conditions, just that MR was going to have to pick up Dylan in Colorado Springs for their baseball trips instead of in Bayfield. And they'd have to work out the holidays. But it appears that ER was willing to do that because Dylan spent the Labour Day weekend with MR before this went to court.

If he didn't spend any substantial time with Dylan in Bayfield, there was absolutely no reason for him to have disputed the move other than to try to put the screws to his ex-wife, using his legal rights to his son as the catalyst.

When that ploy not only didn't work but actually had the reverse effect, as in losing custody, child support, and possibly being ordered to actually pay support, that had to make him livid. There is no way he was taking this lying down as evidenced by the further court hearing of gaining visitation and his visit to his attorney on the Monday to file more paperwork with the courts.

And at 13, almost 14yrs old I'm sure Dylan was well aware of what was going on with regards to everything. He had to have known that all of the troubles his mother was facing was because his father had legal rights to him. His older brother was not an issue. And his older brother had cut ties to his father altogether. Does anyone think that Dylan might not have done the same if he could have? Does anyone think that this kind of conversation might have happened that evening? Why would we not think that after what had gone in in the previous three months, that Dylan would not be angry with his father for what appears to be unneccesary drama that had nothing to do with him really. And he was the only one who was being forced by the courts to deal with the issue. Alone and face to face with MR.

MOO

 

[scorekeeper]

Well today is the day for the taping of Dr. Phil; would love to see the uncut videos for the show.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

 

[mmmagique]

Focusing on Dylan today...

I promise you can make your point without supersizing it.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Well today is the day for the taping of Dr. Phil; would love to see the uncut videos for the show.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

We need someone who was in the studio audience to post here!

I am wondering if they are going to go with the "Mark is hiding Dylan" theory on the show.

 

[mck16]

Well today is the day for the taping of Dr. Phil; would love to see the uncut videos for the show.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

From what I have read ER and MR are trying to move on and work together. I think we should afford them the benefit of the doubt and lay off until we do see the Phil show. It might turn into a brawl and then it might not, but I am through speculating until I see the finished product. JMO

 

[TxJan1971]

Supermom - this is a very good post, also. I didn't know about the 1-way ticket, but most of the other facts you've presented have contributed heavily to my suspicion that MR did not plan for Dylan to be going home again.

The big red flag for me was the September court rulings as those decisions not only affected MR emotionally but financially as well, and I can see a man in that position feeling very bitter indeed.

And a man whose son then vanishes ... on the very first visit after the rulings. Dylan is the son Mark felt closest to, who used to share so much with MR, but who was perhaps (in reality, or perhaps just in Mark's mind) being turned against him (and all that former close bonding) by all the anger between M and E. Dylan was clearly more excited to see his friends than keep company with his estranged father..

Note the disparity between Mark's intense emphasis on how extremely close he and Dylan had been, and the reality of the present - in which Dylan is texting his friends, making plans with his friends, wanting to go visit his friends and (as I see it) didn't really give a toss about Thanksgiving with his dad. That dichotomy alone is a scarlet flag.

I am more than willing to eat crow if MR is proven to be wholly innocent. But the weight of the facts - as well how those facts are accumulating and interrelating - clearly tips the scales against MR's innocence so far.

ETA: can anyone recall exactly when it was that Mark moved to the house in which Dylan went missing?

BBM

I'm not sure when the house in Vallecito was purchased and/or exactly when MR moved into the house in Vallecito, but I found this and it appears that at least as of the divorce in 2007 he was living there (and perhaps sooner):

When the couple divorced three years later (2007) Elaine Redwine and the boys continued to live in Bayfield and Mark Redwine stayed in the house in Vallecito. Living in a rural area was new to him. “I've always said I'm a city boy,” Redwine said. “It takes awhile getting used to.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...900/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time--

 

[ColdHands]

BBM

I'm not sure when the house in Vallecito was purchased and/or exactly when MR moved into the house in Vallecito, but I found this and it appears that at least as of the divorce in 2007 he was living there (and perhaps sooner):

When the couple divorced three years later (2007) Elaine Redwine and the boys continued to live in Bayfield and Mark Redwine stayed in the house in Vallecito. Living in a rural area was new to him. “I've always said I'm a city boy,” Redwine said. “It takes awhile getting used to.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...900/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time--

I posted above but here's a link to the property records. He bought the house in May 2006

http://eagleweb.laplata.co.us/assessor/taxweb/account.jsp?accountNum=R010855&doc=SALEC1183152

 

[scorekeeper]

From what I have read ER and MR are trying to move on and work together. I think we should afford them the benefit of the doubt and lay off until we do see the Phil show. It might turn into a brawl and then it might not, but I am through speculating until I see the finished product. JMO

I did not mean to imply anything negative from my post. I am aware of Elaine's post on FB. I just meant that so much information can be obtained from "uncut" video. And I don't recall mentioning anything about a "brawl" in my post or speculating such a thing. :waitasec::waitasec:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Can I just rant about the FB pages...all of them? Okay, most people on them seem to believe that Mark is hiding Dylan. But if so, why do you have so much vitriol towards him? I am not excusing someone hiding their child from the child's mother, but you would think these people thought Mark had murdered Dylan. Unless you know the family in real life, why are you so involved in what you essentially believe is a custody battle?

And the posts about the Dr. Phil show seem to boil down to, "Now the entire country is going to hate Mark! If he thought the witch hunt was bad now...." -_- Like the show is the perfect opportunity to get more people on their side.

 

[TxJan1971]

I posted above but here's a link to the property records. He bought the house in May 2006

http://eagleweb.laplata.co.us/assessor/taxweb/account.jsp?accountNum=R010855&doc=SALEC1183152

Thanks! I saw your post after I posted. I needed that link you provided. Thanks again

 

[cluciano63]

We need someone who was in the studio audience to post here!

I am wondering if they are going to go with the "Mark is hiding Dylan" theory on the show.

I hope not, as that seems the most unlikely scenario of all. At least, hiding him alive, I mean.

 

[Ausgirl]

It was posted yesterday that MR and ER were going to drive DR home meeting half way. Thus one way ticket.

Thank you for clearing that up, mck16.

And welcome to the thread, song22! (I notice you're pretty new )

 

[ColdHands]

Can I just rant about the FB pages...all of them? Okay, most people on them seem to believe that Mark is hiding Dylan. But if so, why do you have so much vitriol towards him? I am not excusing someone hiding their child from the child's mother, but you would think these people thought Mark had murdered Dylan. Unless you know the family in real life, why are you so involved in what you essentially believe is a custody battle?

And the posts about the Dr. Phil show seem to boil down to, "Now the entire country is going to hate Mark! If he thought the witch hunt was bad now...." -_- Like the show is the perfect opportunity to get more people on their side.

I cannot stand the non-official FB pages. But I think the scope is actually pretty limited. There's a core group that post, probably more that read through and never say anything. Think the most active has 600 likes? Not a whole lot of people.

Which is why I wish the family would set up their own site that they control. Keep the internet whackos off of it. Post updates, theories, maybe even journal some of their experiences. Close it to comments and keep an updated FAQ. Maybe they don't feel up to it yet though