CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

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  • #401
I am still finding Mark's story to conveniently coincidental

Dylan just happens to sleep in , Dylan happens to not remember how to use his phone that morning , Dylan takes all his processions with him when he leaves home without contacting anybody . Dylan happens to get kidnapped by a random person when the statistics point to this pretty much never happening in this area when somebody on here searched for such statistics
 
  • #402
IF Dr Phil gives MR a poly OR convinces him to go to LE and take another
and MR passes with flying colors....... would that change your mind
about him? ( your to anyone here , no one specific)
For me, it would make me think that he did not actually kill Dylan if that question was asked and Mark answered with no deception.

However, unless the right questions are asked and answered, I still think that there was a disagreement between them that Mark is not saying anything about . It is my opinion that he is avoiding saying something for fear he will be thought guilty, but leaving out part of the truth is what makes him look guilty, if anyone follows my thinking.

As a HYPOTHETICAL, if father and son had a major blow up about how much time Dylan got to spend with his friends on this trip, more people would be inclined to think Dylan ran away. But then they might also think Mark was a lousy dad for leaving Dylan alone after a huge fight. And yes, I actually know some people who would do this: the sin of omission thinking it doesn't matter, but sometimes it does. Totally HYPOTHETICAL.
 
  • #403
25 minutes ago posted on FMDR the Dr Phil show will air on Monday. It's possible/probable they will only make one show out of it. I heard that DP talked to MR in private after the taping but that doesn't mean they will show that. Perhaps he took a poly and that will be revealed at the end of the show on Monday?

Interesting . . . it's currently listed on my DIRECTV for Tuesday and Wednesday:

  • Monday: "Young, Online, and Out of Control"
  • Tuesday: "The Disappearance of Dylan: Who's to Blame?"
    [*]Wednesday: "Dylan's Disappearance: The Interrogation, the Polygraph . . . the Results"
 
  • #404
I found a good read called CASE MANAGEMENT for Missing Children Homicide Investigation from the US Dept of Justice, and I suspect it has been quoted here before and I just don't remember it (old age, ya know):

Here is the link and what follows below are just some quotes from it that I found interesting (you may agree or you may not and that's fine):

http://www.atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles...uction_Murder_Research/CMIIReport-Summary.pdf

The murder of an abducted child, particularly by a stranger, is a rare event. There are
estimated to be about 100 such incidents in the United States each year. Paraphrasing, it is usually girls, 11-12 yrs old, and they meet within 1/4 mile (3 blocks) of her house.

The missing child should be reported right away and every detail told, because it usually takes the police 2 hours to start investigating and the child is usually killed within the first 3 hours. An immediate response to a missing or abducted child may be the difference between life and death for the child.

The average killers is 27, unmarried, lives with parent or alone, unemployed or works as an unskilled laborer. Most of their victims are victims of opportunity, and sexual assault is most often the motive.

The distance from the Murder Site to the Body Recovery Site again decreases
to less than 199 feet in the vast majority of cases,
so neighborhood MUST be searched thoroughly right away.

It was discovered that once the murder investigation has begun, the name of the killer is likely to be in the investigative file within the first week, so not uncommon for the police to have talked to him that first week and the media is much more likely to have a positive effect on the investigation than a negative one.

Please read the whole document though. There were a lot of interesting statements I did not mention here.
 
  • #405
Interesting . . . it's currently listed on my DIRECTV for Tuesday and Wednesday:

  • Monday: "Young, Online, and Out of Control"
  • Tuesday: "The Disappearance of Dylan: Who's to Blame?"
    [*]Wednesday: "Dylan's Disappearance: The Interrogation, the Polygraph . . . the Results"

Great! So it's not about finding Dylan, it's about who's to blame for "losing" him. Just as I thought. Entertainment, and nothing more. We know who is getting the blame, there were 3 people there at least to point the finger. All anyone has to do is read anywhere this case is being talked about to see who will get the blame. No big mystery. And how is this going to find Dylan????
 
  • #406
Interesting . . . it's currently listed on my DIRECTV for Tuesday and Wednesday:

  • Monday: "Young, Online, and Out of Control"
  • Tuesday: "The Disappearance of Dylan: Who's to Blame?"
    [*]Wednesday: "Dylan's Disappearance: The Interrogation, the Polygraph . . . the Results"

So Wednesday is the exciting episode basically :)
 
  • #407
Great! So it's not about finding Dylan, it's about who's to blame for "losing" him. Just as I thought. Entertainment, and nothing more. We know who is getting the blame, there were 3 people there at least to point the finger. All anyone has to do is read anywhere this case is being talked about to see who will get the blame. No big mystery. And how is this going to find Dylan????

Mark makes a mistake if he is guilty i guess, put him under enough pressure and he may crack ... moo
 
  • #408
Thank you. I have bolded it for those looking for that information. It seems like we go over some of these statements over and over (IMO). I wonder if there's anyway to have a list of "knowns" for people to refer to?

Thanks again for finding link.
Yes. Maybe post a list of KNOWNS here:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191821"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191821[/ame]
 
  • #409
Speaking of hypotheticals, does anyone remember who the poster was in the beginning threads here, that gave a VERY DETAILED hypothetical scenario asking if someone was involved in Dylan's disappearance, and tried but not convicted, and then new information comes out later implicating them in a different crime, but one still related to Dylan's disappearance, can they be charged and retried on the same case?


I dont think you can.
Isnt that double jeopardy!

I dont think they could touch Casey Anthony if they found evidence she killed Caylee.
 
  • #410
Mark makes a mistake if he is guilty i guess, put him under enough pressure and he may crack ... moo

The shows have been taped already right? So, the results must not be too dramatic toward Mark or MR would refuse to do the show. There would be some news leaked. Or the finale will be very anti-climatic. Do the participants have the final say as to if the show can be aired? ty
 
  • #411
Great! So it's not about finding Dylan, it's about who's to blame for "losing" him. Just as I thought. Entertainment, and nothing more. We know who is getting the blame, there were 3 people there at least to point the finger. All anyone has to do is read anywhere this case is being talked about to see who will get the blame. No big mystery. And how is this going to find Dylan????

It may give insight and leads as to the person that had something to do with Dylan's disappearance. Don't you hope finding this person would also lead to Dylan's discovery?
 
  • #412
The shows have been taped already right? So, the results must not be too dramatic toward Mark or MR would refuse to do the show. There would be some news leaked. Or the finale will be very anti-climatic. Do the participants have the final say as to if the show can be aired? ty

I doubt they have any editing control. Surely they sign waivers. The family will not know what will be shown before we do, if it is anything like "48 Hours" or other shows, where families have often been frustrated by what ends up on TV. I don't think MR of anyone has any say in what will be shown now that it is on tape.
 
  • #413
I doubt they have any editing control. Surely they sign waivers. The family will not know what will be shown before we do, if it is anything like "48 Hours" or other shows, where families have often been frustrated by what ends up on TV. I don't think MR of anyone has any say in what will be shown now that it is on tape.

I think you are right and that makes perfect sense. I really don't think anything new will be released, except the LD results. So, I am thinking with that being mentioned in the title it is a tease, and they may just say--MR didn't take one, or something to that effect. Wish it was sooner than Tuesday. jmo
 
  • #414
I dont think you can.
Isnt that double jeopardy!

I dont think they could touch Casey Anthony if they found evidence she killed Caylee.

I think that's not true, but I'm hoping a lawyer will clear it up if I'm wrong.
Well CRAP, CA s a bad case example because they did charge her with so many things. But had they ONLY charged her wtih murder and lost the case, they could go back later and charge her with negligence, child abuse, interfering with an investigation,etc etc. Like I say her particular case might not work because I think they left no charge behind.
 
  • #415
I am still finding Mark's story to conveniently coincidental

Dylan just happens to sleep in , Dylan happens to not remember how to use his phone that morning , Dylan takes all his processions with him when he leaves home without contacting anybody . Dylan happens to get kidnapped by a random person when the statistics point to this pretty much never happening in this area when somebody on here searched for such statistics

After a contentious divorce and ongoing custody/support issues (MR's appointment with his divorce lawyer) Dylan vanishes within 24 hours of arriving for his first court ordered visit.

Despite a variety of options potentially available to Dylan (cell phone, landline, ipod, pen and paper) Dylan is unable or unwilling to communicate with anyone Monday, Nov. 19. I find it hard to believe that Dylan didn't know the phone number of his father, his mother, his brother or even one of his friends.

Within 24 hours of his arrival, Dylan falls prey to one of the following:
Family friend, acquaintance, co-worker, prospective renter, delivery man, random offender or back-to-nature cult member who just happens to know Dylan is home alone and goes to the door. Or else he sets out on a 20 mile trek (with all his possessions and a fishing rod) and encounters one of the above in a small, semi-rural community. Too many coincidences to explain away, IMO.
 
  • #416
As for the 2nd part of the Phil show, it was probably filmed off stage and with no audience. Maybe they gave them all polys and discussed with them on camera but not the audience so that no one , including each other could know.
 
  • #417
Great! So it's not about finding Dylan, it's about who's to blame for "losing" him. Just as I thought. Entertainment, and nothing more. We know who is getting the blame, there were 3 people there at least to point the finger. All anyone has to do is read anywhere this case is being talked about to see who will get the blame. No big mystery. And how is this going to find Dylan????
If Mark takes a polygraph that he passes, it will calm down the family so they can work together better, it will make some people consider other alternatives, it might make people who didn't want to help before, want to help now, and more than anything, it puts Dylan's picture out to other cities and states, just in case someone has seen him in, say, a Denny's like Shasta Groene.

ETA: I live in a large city. There is NO news about Dylan. I have asked my family and friends since I don't watch regular TV. They have no idea who I'm talking about. If he'd passed through here, no one would know.
 
  • #418
Was AZGrandma on the show, too?
 
  • #419
I dont think you can.
Isnt that double jeopardy!

I dont think they could touch Casey Anthony if they found evidence she killed Caylee.

Not if it is for a different crime. For instance, say you are charged with someone's murder and you are acquitted, but then later more evidence is found and you are charged with a different crime like accessory to the crime, then I believe you can be tried for a different crime within the same case.
 
  • #420
After a contentious divorce and ongoing custody/support issues (MR's appointment with his divorce lawyer) Dylan vanishes within 24 hours of arriving for his first court ordered visit.

Despite a variety of options potentially available to Dylan (cell phone, landline, ipod, pen and paper) Dylan is unable or unwilling to communicate with anyone Monday, Nov. 19. I find it hard to believe that Dylan didn't know the phone number of his father, his mother, his brother or even one of his friends.

Within 24 hours of his arrival, Dylan falls prey to one of the following:
Family friend, acquaintance, co-worker, prospective renter, delivery man, random offender or back-to-nature cult member who just happens to know Dylan is home alone and goes to the door. Or else he sets out on a 20 mile trek (with all his possessions and a fishing rod) and encounters one of the above in a small, semi-rural community. Too many coincidences to explain away, IMO.
BBM: You got me. I laughed out loud and now I have to explain myself to other people nearby....
 
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