CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[TxLady2]

I don't quite agree with ER being made to pay child support to MR. Ridiculous. IIRC Mark said he was saving money for Dylan's college. Some people have implied this is a lie. This is something I would like to see proven. Maybe MR was saving the child support as Dylan's college fund? I think it is important to prove Mark is lying. It is easy to call someone a liar but people are more likely to believe what is being said when provided proof.

Have we heard from Mark regarding why he didn't see Dylan much? In my opinion, it is possible MR's type of employment interfered with his relationship with Dylan. Especially if MR worked out of state and was gone for long periods at a time. Maybe time w/Dylan was only feasible during vacation time. This would have been a good question for the DP show.

In my opinion, supplying proof to some of the hearsay about MR would help put a lot of questions about Mark to rest.

It makes no sense to me that she would have to pay Mark child support if they had shared/joint custody with equal parenting time, which is what she stated on NG, IIRC. Someone who was familiar with CO laws said awhile back that child support is not based on who makes the most money. There is a scale they use to determine the amount, but basically it's given to the one who has primary custody. If both parents are given equal custody, then they don't normally make either one pay child support, no matter who makes more money.

My stepdaughter lives in CO. Her ex was ordered to pay her child support, and he had visitation rights for their two kids. However, he rarely ever paid her anything and still got to take them regularly until finally the girl flatly refused to go with him. The judge told my stepdaughter that no one could make the girl go if she didn't want to, as long as it was her decision. About two years ago, the boy who was about 12 then decided to go and live with his dad, so there is no child support period. I am pretty certain that they went through court to make it legal, she's been good about consulting attorneys when there was a conflict.

 

[TxLady2]

Did Josh Powell do this? Who did he kill prior to his wife and kids?

That is a whole different situation. Josh was mentally ill and he also killed himself along with his children. It has not been proven that he killed his wife, but he had no other children, so I don't get your point. Sorry.

 

[Flutterflies]

Josh Powell's media pictures during the last months show a very tired - look at his eye area - man. He was tired and worn down. He looked sick. He looked as if he was not even there although physically he was, mentally he was not. A big clue that was missed and should not have been ignored.

Mark Redwine's media pictures to date do not look like Josh Powell's.

MOO

Did Josh Powell do this? Who did he kill prior to his wife and kids?

Psychic Sleuth reply to TxLady

How would one come to the conclusion that a man is capable of murdering his own child unless he has already done something to hurt one of them badly in the past? Has he ever killed anyone before or even threatened to kill one of his children? Has he beat and/or tortured one of them seriously enough to need medical attention?

It would be interesting to know how any one could believe that without something to back it up.

 

[*Lash*]

Parents of Dylan Redwine talk to Dr. Phil in two-part show
2/22/2013 By: Times staff report

On Wednesday, Mark Redwine, Elaine and Cory Redwine, and Mark Redwine's son and first ex-wife taped an episode of Dr. Phil in Los Angeles.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/

 

[aust amateur slueth]

It makes no sense to me that she would have to pay Mark child support if they had shared/joint custody with equal parenting time, which is what she stated on NG, IIRC. Someone who was familiar with CO laws said awhile back that child support is not based on who makes the most money. There is a scale they use to determine the amount, but basically it's given to the one who has primary custody. If both parents are given equal custody, then they don't normally make either one pay child support, no matter who makes more money.

My stepdaughter lives in CO. Her ex was ordered to pay her child support, and he had visitation rights for their two kids. However, he rarely ever paid her anything and still got to take them regularly until finally the girl flatly refused to go with him. The judge told my stepdaughter that no one could make the girl go if she didn't want to, as long as it was her decision. About two years ago, the boy who was about 12 then decided to go and live with his dad, so there is no child support period. I am pretty certain that they went through court to make it legal, she's been good about consulting attorneys when there was a conflict.

https://childsupport.state.co.us/siteuser/do/vfs/Frag?file=/cm:calcPayments.jsp

IIRC they had 50/50 before the move and MR didn't see Dylan as often as he had rights to (for whatever reason)

to my understanding it sounds like they apply a formula. ie each parent is allowed a certain self support amount and everything over that is taken into account for child support and its balanced out so that the child should have equal living standards at each parents house. so if ER was earning a higher income its probable that she would have to pay MR.


in September when the order was changed to ER having primary custody child support would then be payable to her.

 

[mmmagique]

It makes no sense to me that she would have to pay Mark child support if they had shared/joint custody with equal parenting time, which is what she stated on NG, IIRC. Someone who was familiar with CO laws said awhile back that child support is not based on who makes the most money. There is a scale they use to determine the amount, but basically it's given to the one who has primary custody. If both parents are given equal custody, then they don't normally make either one pay child support, no matter who makes more money.

My stepdaughter lives in CO. Her ex was ordered to pay her child support, and he had visitation rights for their two kids. However, he rarely ever paid her anything and still got to take them regularly until finally the girl flatly refused to go with him. The judge told my stepdaughter that no one could make the girl go if she didn't want to, as long as it was her decision. About two years ago, the boy who was about 12 then decided to go and live with his dad, so there is no child support period. I am pretty certain that they went through court to make it legal, she's been good about consulting attorneys when there was a conflict.

There is a formula that is used. And yes, it does happen that sometimes the custodial parent has to pay cs to the non-custodial parent. That happens when there is a big difference in their incomes.

 

[mmmagique]

That is a whole different situation. Josh was mentally ill and he also killed himself along with his children. It has not been proven that he killed his wife, but he had no other children, so I don't get your point. Sorry.

What psychic sleuth is trying to say (I believe) is that there doesn't have to be a history of horrific violence for someone to *snap* and do something they later regret. One mistake can change your life (and others') in an instant.

He does have some history of violence and "off" behaviour though, there is no denying that.

I don't think MR is a murderer. I have a theory that makes him even less culpable than man-slaughter, although if correct, he is still responsible.

 

[rebeccaeee]

There is a formula that is used. And yes, it does happen that sometimes the custodial parent has to pay cs to the non-custodial parent. That happens when there is a big difference in their incomes.

It happens in several states. The records are sealed so we have to take their word for it. I know a previous poster seemed very surprised to hear this news recently. I'd like to point out that for those who seem adamant about ER waging a blame war against MR, she could have been vocal about how MR was probably mad about losing some of his income months ago. Notably, ER has not mentioned this. It isn't about the money. If she has reason to believe Mark knows more than he has said, she has not attached the child support issue to her suspicions. In fact, she's been silent about it. We have FMDR and AZGrandma confirming the child support arrangement instead. So why is it important to us? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[*Lash*]

This world is scary for our children. In my opinion, anything is possible.

Ohio AG Warns Parents Of Man Seen Trying To Approach Young Children In Ohio, Other States

Thursday February 21, 2013 10:30 AM | UPDATED: Thursday February 21, 2013 4:46 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio's Attorney General issued a warning on Thursday about a man seen approaching children in Ohio, W. Va., and Michigan.

According to AG Mike DeWine's Office, a man has been spotted trying to approach children in Ohio last week and in previous months.

In each case, the man approached girls and boys between the ages of 9 and 15 while driving a white, windowless panel van, which could be a commercial vehicle.

The man, described as white, in his mid to late 40s or early 50s, 5 feet 8 to 5 feet 9 inches tall with brown hair and a possible mustache, approached children while they were walking home after school.

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...ents-about-man-seen-approaching-children.html

 

[BeginnersLuck]

All the stuff that is being reported as fact is what bothers me the most. We do not have records of how often MR saw Dylan or what support was paid to whom. MR worked out of town and is gone for lengthy periods of time. His days off could have conflicted with Dylans sports and school schedule. Maybe he did not have a good relationship with his other children but maybe he was trying with Dylan. I don't know because I have no facts about it. Dylan is not here to say how he feels about his dad.

The fact that MR was the last to see Dylan makes him suspect enough alone. Why is there a necessity to insert other things that aren't fact based and haven't been confirmed by LE.

1. No footprints seen by mother becomes Dylan was never at the house.
2. Failed lie detector test when from what was reported it was inconclusive
3. One way plane ticket mean't MR had premeditated the whole thing when we don't know what arrangements were actually made.
4. How often MR saw Dylan, tried to see Dylan, why he may not have seen him as much, who paid support and the circumstances surrounding it.
5. MR hired a PI who created a fake tipster. Fact - a person advertising themselves as a PI reached out to the family and offered their services for free. So did the search dogs. Everyone was screaming that MR wasn't doing anything and so he contacted the PI and the search dogs for help. Some were encouraging him to contact the PI even though some of us know that you have to be careful about people that try to insert themselves in these cases. MR wouldn't necessarily know that. Now the tipster is portrayed as fake because of MR even though LE has made two statements about this tipster.
6. One sided small blurbs of text messages.
7. What MR has or hasn't done to try and find his son.

I'm sure I can think of others.

If people want to explore other theories then the statement is made that everyone is saying oh poor, poor Mark.

Well, so far MR didn't have friends or family create a FB page making fun of his looks etc. This page is no way about Dylan and the family comments on it.

These things are so manipulative and make me question the dynamics from all parties even prior to Dylan missing.

So, why if MR was the last to be with Dylan and that alone makes him more suspect is there a need to do all these other things. Isn't that enough?

No, this isn't about poor, poor MR or anyone else. It's suppose to be about finding Dylan and in order to do that all possibilities should be explored. Others shouldn't be critized when they try and do so.

 

[Dee10]

Background information can be important in trying to establish a motive for a theory.

 

[mmmagique]

All the stuff that is being reported as fact is what bothers me the most. We do not have records of how often MR saw Dylan or what support was paid to whom. MR worked out of town and is gone for lengthy periods of time. His days off could have conflicted with Dylans sports and school schedule. Maybe he did not have a good relationship with his other children but maybe he was trying with Dylan. I don't know because I have no facts about it. Dylan is not here to say how he feels about his dad.

The fact that MR was the last to see Dylan makes him suspect enough alone. Why is there a necessity to insert other things that aren't fact based and haven't been confirmed by LE.

1. No footprints seen by mother becomes Dylan was never at the house.
2. Failed lie detector test when from what was reported it was inconclusive
3. One way plane ticket mean't MR had premeditated the whole thing when we don't know what arrangements were actually made.
4. How often MR saw Dylan, tried to see Dylan, why he may not have seen him as much, who paid support and the circumstances surrounding it.
5. MR hired a PI who created a fake tipster. Fact - a person advertising themselves as a PI reached out to the family and offered their services for free. So did the search dogs. Everyone was screaming that MR should doing anything and so he contacted the PI and the search dogs for help. Some were encouraging him to contact the PI even though some of us know that you have to be careful about people that try to insert themselves in these cases. MR wouldn't necessarily know that. Now the tipster is portrayed as fake because of MR even though LE has made two statements about this tipster.
6. One sided small blurbs of text messages.
7. What MR has or hasn't done to try and find his son.

I'm sure I can think of others.

If people want to explore other theories then the statement is made that everyone is saying oh poor, poor Mark.

Well, so far MR didn't have friends or family create a FB page making fun of his looks etc. This page is no way about Dylan and the family comments on it.

These things are so manipulative and make me question the dynamics from all parties even prior to Dylan missing.

So, why if MR was the last to be with Dylan and that alone makes him more suspect is there a need to do all these other things. Isn't that enough?

No, this isn't about poor, poor MR or anyone else. It's suppose to be about finding Dylan and in order to do that all possibilities should be explored. Others shouldn't be critized when they try and do so.

Well, I'm not sure why we verify insiders if we're not going to believe at least some of what they tell us. I believe AZgrandma, personally. We are all of course, free to choose our own way.

1. There are many other reasons other than the lack of footprints that lead many to believe Dylan never made it to his father's home that evening.
2. Ok.
3. I think the one way ticket was just because MR was responsible for the "getting there" part of the trip. ER was responsible for the "getting back"
4. It seems that he only saw him a few times a year. No matter what your job, I would think someone could manage a bit more than that.
5. The entire tipster thing was odd. I don't think MR had anything to do with it.
6. Those messages were damning no matter who else said what. (imo)
7. That seems pretty important in any missing child case. (imo)

There does seem to be some "poor Mark" sentiments around. But I agree you should not be criticized for having your own thoughts. We should ALL be more respectful of one another, and careful of our words.

 

[SuperMom1995]

What is he supposed to do? He could say "I am so sorry this happened on my watch." or he could say "I don't blame you for being angry at me since he disappeared while I was responsible for him." or he could say " I kick myself every day for not making him get up and go with me." Any of those would make me more amiable to him, anyway. JMO

Wonder if he got paid to go on the show?

 

[ColdHands]

I totally agree.

The custody, child support, divorce issues are really just gossip. Remember NG saying "That doesn't help me find Dylan." She was right, it doesn't.

Assume MR had a motive for murder, now go prove it.
Assume MR had a reason to hide his son, now go prove it.
Assume Dylan could have gone outside and got picked up by the wrong person, now go prove it.
Assume someone would use Dylan to get back at either of his parents, now go prove it.

ETA: "It" means what they did, not why they did it. You assume the motive exists, then prove the action.

Coordinating search efforts
Working cooperatively with law enforcement
Hiring a PI
Exploring all possible theories in a logical manner
Raising money to pay for additional search efforts
Posting fliers
Holding events for publicity


Those things could help find Dylan. BOTH parents are doing some or all of these. The rest, the finger pointing, the relationship talk, the dragging out of old issues, is just noise. Because you either believe MR could murder his son intentionally or you don't. And once you do, you don't need to know any more. And if you don't by now, chances are you won't be persuaded by any more airing of dirty laundry.

 

[scorekeeper]

Does anyone know what time the new thread is going to be open before/during the airing of Dr. Phil? Is it going to be in the Parking Lot? I know the show is shown at different times all over the US. It's on at 4 pm here in Ohio.

TIA

 

[ColdHands]

Wonder if he got paid to go on the show?

It hadn't occurred to me until it was posted yesterday about the Anthony episodes but now I wonder if Dr Phil has ever paid anyone directly. Obviously the amount ($600,000) for the Anthonys was significant and newsworthy, but what about other participants?

 

[cluciano63]

The main problem with MR, IMO, is that yes, he is apparently the only one who saw Dylan anytime after the Walmart video (possibly McDonald's video, if it exists) but he also has made some unfortunate remarks, i.e that his problem was his ex-wife, something to the effect of not caring where Dylan was or what was happening to him as long as he came home, offered somewhat of a variety of stories as to the attempted waking up of Dylan, allegedly took a nap of some hours even though he had not been able to establish contact with Dylan for hours, and has tossed out numerous scenarios as to what could have happened, some of which seem to paint Dylan in an irresponsible or careless light i.e falling into lake, liking to hang out at a camp where there may be an RSO, never having "met a stranger" implying he would talk to anyone.

It is very possible that he is among the world's worst communicators, that he has been badly edited and so on, but he is still the only person in the world, probably, except for a possible actual abductor, who seems to have seen Dylan on Monday. There does not seem to be a scent of Dylan walking out of the house, although the dog info has been a mess. Also, for me, the issue of Dylan ceasing to communicate after Sunday evening.

For me, I just want something, even one thing, he has said about Sunday night or Monday morning to be verified, somehow, so my brain can forget about him, but it seems impossible and may remain so. And LE has not had a great success with a dozen or so cases in the past four years when the person reporting the missing child and/or last to see him or her cannot be cleared.

It is all very depressing to me and I cannot see a resolution in sight.

 

[scorekeeper]

I wonder if Dr. Phil spoke with LE concerning Dylan's disappearance? I hope so.

 

[katydid23]

I agree. I think that lured into a vehicle by some one he sort of knew is my most likely theory.

This is my 'second' most likely theory. I am still leaning towards the last known person to see him.

 

[scorekeeper]

O/T

Can someone tell me what it means when a WS is "inactive"?

TIA