CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[mijamawi]

So if MR is blaming ER now, is this a new one, to add to the lake, the camp, the kid who talked to strangers, the he could be anywhere kid, etc.?

I know a clip is just a clip, lol, but if they both still really think that, then I wonder if I will soon have to believe them and give up on this case. I really don't have an interest in cases of custodial B.S.
I do not know what to think.

BBM

This is exactly why I didn't think anything good would come from the show. I felt it would turn into a blame game and Dylan would be lost in the middle....again. If Dylan was abducted by a stranger, then that person just got away with it, IMO.

 

[asyousay]

The ONLY reason I can think of is one I don't even believe myself, but I was challenging myself to think of any reason she might have for him to "disappear." What if she wanted to get Dylan away from MR permanently? That would be a reason to make him "disappear." Again I don't even believe this myself, just the only thing I could think of.

As many have noted, in that type of situation normally the parent would disappear too along with the child. I also just don't see ER doing that, not after working so hard (presumably) to build her new life, get custody changed, etc.

But she would have to vanish and she has a close family and I can't see them all agreeing to such a plot and what if she got caught , then Dylan is handed straight over to Mark IMO .. So she loses her son and he is right where she did not want him .

 

[cluciano63]

Were they told they had to accuse and point fingers?
I know I was almost on a game show once when I lived in LA and backed out when they told me I would have to jump up and down and shriek

Sigh. And then the FB faithful posting things like, well he should be home, now, right, since the show is over? And those dogs will find him safe and alive. Of course they will.

Just feeling really lousy and cynical today. How was this show a good idea again?

 

[mmmagique]

BBM

This is exactly why I didn't think anything good would come from the show. I felt it would turn into a blame game and Dylan would be lost in the middle....again. If Dylan was abducted by a stranger, then that person just got away with it, IMO.

Someone has certainly gotten away with something. The question is...who? and what?

 

[Chili Fries]

I don't think there is any way in hell that Elaine is responsible for Dylan's disappearance. I'm just waiting to see the show to decide whether my estimation of Mark's possible responsiblity increases or decreases.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Were they told they had to accuse and point fingers?
I know I was almost on a game show once when I lived in LA and backed out when they told me I would have to jump up and down and shriek

Sigh. And then the FB faithful posting things like, well he should be home, now, right, since the show is over? And those dogs will find him safe and alive. Of course they will.

Just feeling really lousy and cynical today. How was this show a good idea again?

If they both think that the other one is hiding Dylan, why did they go on the Dr. Phil show? Do they think Dylan is being hidden outside of the CO/NM area? Or do they just want to try to get more people on their side? Is it it put pressure on the other person?

 

[Seajay]

From Dr. Phil's show today....all new Tuesday...

Mark is all cleaned up (I hardly recognized him)....says, "I have a lot of suspicion that Elaine could be involved in this"

Elaine "You had him, where is he?"

oh, my........

Just what I thought. A free for all. How is this going to find Dylan??? If people watching this think that one of the two parents disappeared him because of all their drama, and they are just getting even with one another, how or why would they be looking out to find this boy??? If the public honestly thinks one of the parents have him, then they'll think he's in their hands and is ok so they won't be looking. JMO, IMO, MOO

 

[asyousay]

I still believe any publicity is still better than no publicity !

Moo

 

[deoneta]

This is also from the uncut interview:

"But, you know…uh… we’d been gone probably a couple weeks, you know… he was in a hurry to get back ‘cos he wanted to spend time with his friends. He actually wanted to come here first and spend time with his friends but we were coming in from the East and we were traveling through Colorado Springs, so I suggested to Dylan that, you know, we just contact his mom and make it so that she didn’t have to drive over here, whatever, because she was obviously starting a job at some level, which we all know was Colorado College, I mean, I don’t know Why she tries to hide that from everybody, but, apparently she doesn’t want me to know where she works. It’s not a real stumper."

I realize opinions are going to vary on what the bolded part means and whether it means anything much at all. When I first heard the interview, I immediately felt this was a not so veiled threat and nothing I've learned since has altered that impression. All MOO

 

[cluciano63]

If I saw a show that is anything like that clip, I would take away from it that one bitter parent is taking revenge on another bitter parent and that it was none of my business. And that Dylan was fine someplace.

 

[Chili Fries]

If they both think that the other one is hiding Dylan, why did they go on the Dr. Phil show? Do they think Dylan is being hidden outside of the CO/NM area? Or do they just want to try to get more people on their side? Is it it put pressure on the other person?

I think it's more like:

Mark thinks Elaine is hiding Dylan, so getting Dylan's face out there may eventually lead to someone recognizing him.

Same with Elaine, but since she also thinks Mark could have hurt Dylan, exposing that to the wider public puts pressure on him (a la Terri Horman). If I were in Elaine's position and thought Mark hurt Dylan, I'd want to make Mark's life as difficult as possible.

I think this makes the Dr Phil show very important either way.

 

[cluciano63]

If either parent is "hiding" Dylan, how is a member of the public going to see him? Are they taking him to the mall on a leash? Letting cleaning staff in while he is tied to a chair? I am just not getting this whole "hiding" idea. Especially when combined with the idea that he might be spotted by a sharp-eyed viewer in Kansas or someplace.

 

[mijamawi]

Were they told they had to accuse and point fingers?
I know I was almost on a game show once when I lived in LA and backed out when they told me I would have to jump up and down and shriek

Sigh. And then the FB faithful posting things like, well he should be home, now, right, since the show is over? And those dogs will find him safe and alive. Of course they will.

Just feeling really lousy and cynical today. How was this show a good idea again?

Right? Apparently Dr. Phil is the shiz and can reappear someone by airing their story. Who's certifiable? lol

 

[SmoothOperator]

How would one come to the conclusion that a man is capable of murdering his own child unless he has already done something to hurt one of them badly in the past? Has he ever killed anyone before or even threatened to kill one of his children? Has he beat and/or tortured one of them seriously enough to need medical attention?

It would be interesting to know how any one could believe that without something to back it up.

That is a whole different situation. Josh was mentally ill and he also killed himself along with his children. It has not been proven that he killed his wife, but he had no other children, so I don't get your point. Sorry.

Well, of course, quite obviously no two cases will have the exact same dynamics, but the point IMO is absolutely made by Psychic Sleuth.. and so, too can this point be made in other cases as well..

Garrett, Gavin, Sherry Coleman..did Chris show these signs that some are of the opinion are necessary in order to make reasonable speculations that it was he who had slaughtered his kids?..No.

Even here at WS there is a reason that where MR is concerned there were allowances made for us to speculate on the possibility of his involvement..

Everyone may not see or be of the opinion that there is absolutely reasonable cause for why Mark Redwine is heavily looked at, but IMO with any/all other cases put aside as similar examples of reasonable speculation of a parent in their child's abduction/murder case..IMO the fact that WS has made an allowance for there to be reasonable speculation discussion WRT Mark Redwine is IMO proof that those of us who happen to be of the opinion of his possible involvement ARE NOT WILD, BASELESS, OR UNREASONABLE THOUGHTS, OPINIONS, OR VIEWS...jmo.

 

[Tennlyn]

So if MR is blaming ER now, is this a new one, to add to the lake, the camp, the kid who talked to strangers, the he could be anywhere kid, etc.?

I know a clip is just a clip, lol, but if they both still really think that, then I wonder if I will soon have to believe them and give up on this case. I really don't have an interest in cases of custodial B.S.

I do not know what to think.

not new to me but then i read lots of rumors. funny how eventually they pop up in MSM...sometimes months later. MOO

 

[ThePhantom]

Agree with Tennlyn, this rumor is not new.

 

[ThePhantom]

Cluciano63, Shawn Hornbeck was "hidden" for years in spite of substantial media attention.

 

[cluciano63]

Agree with Tennlyn, this rumor is not new.

Well, if MR was on tape accusing ER, then that loses rumor status, doesn't it? And the other theories I mentioned came from MR's mouth, so they are not rumors either. My point was he keeps coming up with theories such as I have never seen in a case.

 

[Ghostwheel]

If I were guilty, the last thing I would do would go on a TV program, period. It's too easy to say something to implicate yourself that LE could use to arrest and prosecute. I dunno, I would not do it. But that's just me. How many of you would go on a show like this if you were indeed guilty of harming and disappearing your child for selfish reasons??? IMO

IMO, if I were guilty of accidentally harming my child, I would have admitted it immediately (because the only way that would have happened is if it were an accident). A person who harmed or disappeared their child for selfish reasons would most likely still go on the show to "prove" they didn't do it. Any narcissistic person probably would. (I think I've mentioned I have some diagnosed narcissistic friends for whom nothing is their fault. Ever. It's creepy.)

That being said, if my child disappeared on my watch, and I had an ex that I didn't like or even despised (not saying Mark does, just my own scenario here), I would not be defensive or say anything remotely disparaging about the ex or my child. I'd be taking full responsibility for him being missing. The first words out of my mouth when I saw my ex would be "I wouldn't blame you for hating me. I hate myself." MOO.

 

[catswhiskers]

not new to me but then i read lots of rumors. funny how eventually they pop up in MSM...sometimes months later. MOO

And I believe that would be the very nature of rumors - some pan out, many others don't. Some even grow legs because of the number of times they get repeated over and over again. IMO a rumor ending up in MSM still doesn't make it fact.