CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[cluciano63]

Let me rephrase. In the post I was responding to, you posted:
"I just think that it is possible the impression from the DP show will be, for casual viewers, that this is an extremely amped-up custodial fight between parents and that one or the other knows he is safe and being cared for." This gives me the impression that you think casual viewer would think that one or the other of the parents knows he is safe and being cared for. Assuming that one of the parents has him safe somewhere and being cared for, that parent could not bring him back into their household without getting themselves into trouble.

Therefore, why would the casual viewer think that one or the other of the parents knows he is safe and being cared for, when there would be no point in doing so since they could not just pull Dylan out from wherever they have him hidden as say "Voila! Here he is!" I can't see why a casual viewer would think that, and I was hoping for some enlightenment. (being as I don't watch regular TV, but I think I've mentioned that...)

If, and this is a big, almost impossible "if" to me, he is being hidden by MR, for example, clearly MR did not think ahead in a very bright way. How did he plan to retrieve Dylan?

If he did do this, and can't figure out how to bring him back, he would have to be doing what he doing now, to cover up. Throw blame at Er, accuse Dylan of being careless and too trusting, etc.

But my point was that if the public begins to believe that he did hide Dylan, they are likely also to think that Dylan is, at least, physically unharmed and safe, if not happy. And that sooner or later, LE will figure out where he is. So they are less likely, IMO, to be scrutinizing the faces of teens boys across America, because they believe Dylan is hidden so well that even the FBI can't find him. So why would he be in a mall or a truck stop?

(gosh I hate to say this, after months of disparaging this theory but my impression of MR since makes me think it is NOT impossible for him to take an action without thinking ahead. Only I can't imagine who would agree to participate.)

 

[mijamawi]

I do want to see the show - even if you believed it wasn't a good idea in the first place (and using the general "you" here) I don't think there is any point in sticking heads in the sand - information is information after all. Despite heavy editing and maybe even some staging, it is still information from the key players' own lips. I hope someone will make it available for those of us on the other side of the world to see for ourselves.

MOO, and if it differs from others or even the majority, it doesn't mean I am unintelligent, blinkered, biased, attacking anyone, certifiable, or even wrong.

Very respectfully snipped by me. I agree. I want to see the show. It is information, although possibly heavily edited. I think it's easy to see the editing stops and starts, though your average Joe won't notice and will come away with pitchforks. I've always loved the saying, opinions are like *******s, everyone has one. No one's opinion is wrong. No one should be ridiculed for their opinion.

I agree with this in principal, but we have only heard snippets chosen by MSM for release, and in response to their own questions. I didn't find MB's questioning of MR or ER to be very inspiring - she seemed pretty disorganised and unsure of herself with both parents in the uncut videos.
We don't know the full details given in the moment by moment interview with LE, so IMO it's hard for anyone outside LE to determine what parts of anyone's stories have changed or not.

Moo

Exactly. I felt like I was watching Survivor. You can see the editing just in that small snippet. It was made especially for us daytime TV watchers...hook, line and sinker. I'm in.

 

[scorekeeper]

I think that most viewers of Dr. Phil will see what many people have already seen. MR has a history of abusive behavior. ER suspects him in the disappearance of her son and is desperate to know the truth. If I suspected my ex of harming my child, I would shout it from the rooftops. I would try to get everyone to listen, because I would want an answer. Often times an abuser will garner sympathy and spin the situation so that the abused woman looks like the psycho one. Now MR is on Dr. Phil saying "I think she did it" It's just another manipulative ploy to confuse the audience. To get people to say, "Now, now both of you need to simmer down and work together for the sake of your son." It's one of the reasons why women in abusive relationships should NEVER agree to mediation with an abuser. That was a very common mistake that therapists made in the past, but fortunately have wised up to. It is no longer recommended that women in abusive relationships get marriage counseling. The abuser will manipulate and use the situation to further victimize the abused. ER is being very brave in facing MR and knowing how he will try to turn the tables on her. I think the audience will see through it. I hope Dr. Phil does.

:yourock:

:gthanks: :gthanks:

Bingo!!!

 

[findDylan]

I would love to see LE's checklist.....this is one from NCMEC

http://missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC88.pdf

(especially sealing/protecting scene....)

BBM... I'm thinking this didn't happen until 10 days later when they decided he didn't run away. IMO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I worry that MR might do himself in from all the pressure and depression.

 

[SCHMAE]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/K-9-Forensics/249798878409404?filter=3

pictures from the searches (wish we knew exactly where they were searching)

what beautiful dogs

Sorry but am I the only one who gets a little weepy/ choked when seeing the
dogs? I am really afraid of them finding something even though that is what ' we want' right?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Sorry but am I the only one who gets a little weepy/ choked when seeing the
dogs? I am really afraid of them finding something even though that is what ' we want' right?

The same thing happens to me. It's partly because of their beauty and dedication and it's partly fear of what they might find.

 

[KateNY]

Sorry but am I the only one who gets a little weepy/ choked when seeing the
dogs? I am really afraid of them finding something even though that is what ' we want' right?

BBM


I want a walmart moment

 

[mijamawi]

Some people don't want to get involved? Involved in what? Fund raisers? Donating money? Handing out flyers? I sincerely doubt "those people" matter much anyway, so they don't have to do a thing.

I do believe that there is the perception that "some people" are going to bring answers to this case, when in fact, it is LE who has those answers and will bring this case to a resolution....or NOT.
Not "people"...LE.

So then why go on Dr. Phil? Why is there such a need to get his name out there nationally??

That is your opinion. It should not be stated as fact. I disagree and the few posts I've seen from those that were at the taping said nothing of this sort.

It may not be in MSM but we've had at least one poster state her friends/family were questioning why should they waste their time on finding Dylan when it was obviously a family issue.

BBM... I'm thinking this didn't happen until 10 days later when they decided he didn't run away. IMO

I thought LE said they felt it was foul play on day 2 or 3.

 

[scorekeeper]

Dr. Phil to Mark: why do you think the police are continuing to investigate you?

Mark: I don't think the focus is just looking at me

:21 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJi36_fMOg


What happened to Mark wanting LE to focus on him and why didn't he answer the question?

I can't wait to see this.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I worry that MR might do himself in from all the pressure and depression.

I don't believe I've seen any reports about MR being "depressed". Got a link? Because if he is, perhaps one of his supporters should consider placing him in a facility for observation? Or at the very least, having him seek some type of psychiatric help.

 

[scorekeeper]

I worry that MR might do himself in from all the pressure and depression.

He looks fine to me in the video. He even has a new haircut and suit.

It's like he cleaned up for his trial. You know when you see a mug shot or initial court appearance for someone in the orange jumpsuit...then at trial they come in all clean shaven and new clothes?

JMO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I don't believe I've seen any reports about MR being "depressed". Got a link? Because if he is, perhaps one of his supporters should consider placing him in a facility for observation? Or at the very least, having him seek some type of psychiatric help.

The only thing I've seen is a comment about him loosing a lot of weight. I think anyone would be stressed, depressed or whatever term you would want to choose whether guilty or not.

Under these circumstances IMO, there is a higher probability of suicide.

 

[Seajay]

What Canadian girl in the elevator? Is it on Youtube? I'd be curious to see what I think.

Yes! It's interesting. Would love to hear what you see.

Here is the link to the case:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198048"]Found Deceased CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Here is the link to the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TjVBpyTeZM&feature=youtu.be

 

[BeginnersLuck]

He looks fine to me in the video. He even has a new haircut and suit.

It's like he cleaned up for his trial. You know when you see a mug shot or initial court appearance for someone in the orange jumpsuit...then at trial they come in all clean shaven and new clothes?

JMO

Dr. Phil probably gave him a makeover before the show.

 

[Tennlyn]

Sorry but am I the only one who gets a little weepy/ choked when seeing the
dogs? I am really afraid of them finding something even though that is what ' we want' right?

If he's out there, he needs to be found no matter what. I cry every day when I light my candle for Dylan. Hoping he is alive and rescued, but found no matter what. lease:

 

[findDylan]

So then why go on Dr. Phil? Why is there such a need to get his name out there nationally??




I thought LE said they felt it was foul play on day 2 or 3.[/QUOTE]

Sniped and BBM... I didnt make that very clear, sorry. I am not sure what day they decided he didn't runaway I will have to check. I was trying to say they didn't seal up and bag stuff from the house until 10 days after he went missing. That is when they served the search warrant.

Checked and it was on November 28th that MSM reported that LE no longer thought Dylan was a runaway.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22083134/dylan-redwine-boy-missing-near-vallecito-did-not

 

[Ghostwheel]

If, and this is a big, almost impossible "if" to me, he is being hidden by MR, for example, clearly MR did not think ahead in a very bright way. How did he plan to retrieve Dylan?

If he did do this, and can't figure out how to bring him back, he would have to be doing what he doing now, to cover up. Throw blame at Er, accuse Dylan of being careless and too trusting, etc.

But my point was that if the public begins to believe that he did hide Dylan, they are likely also to think that Dylan is, at least, physically unharmed and safe, if not happy. And that sooner or later, LE will figure out where he is. So they are less likely, IMO, to be scrutinizing the faces of teens boys across America, because they believe Dylan is hidden so well that even the FBI can't find him. So why would he be in a mall or a truck stop?

(gosh I hate to say this, after months of disparaging this theory but my impression of MR since makes me think it is NOT impossible for him to take an action without thinking ahead. Only I can't imagine who would agree to participate.)

**This is a response to a question I asked earlier.** Got it. Assumption is that the parent who hid him didn't think further than the immediate need. Thank you for clarifying the thought process for me.

 

[MrsPC]

in the youtube promo for the Dr Phil show...I was more intrigued with Dr Phil's question to MR --

"why do you think police are continuing to investigate YOU?"

edited to add...
sorry - just saw that Scorekeeper posted basically the same post above

 

[Seajay]

I worry that MR might do himself in from all the pressure and depression.

Sadly, I think that's "endgame."