CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[Darcyline]

It's a good possibility. The lake is huge and up to 80 feet deep, plus most of the bottom is probably cluttered - covered with stumps. The whole area had to be logged before the dam was built to create the lake in the early 1940s.

Thank you. That sucks. If they never find Dylan there will always be a chance that he is in the water Sorry, I will be more positive at the moment. We will find Dylan. It may just take some time.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Interesting article regarding a diver who was found after 17yrs in Lake Tahoe...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/09/us-diver-body-idUSTRE7785WI20110809

And another in Lake Michigan...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-diver-disappeared-13-years-article-1.1142045

So it does seem as though the cold water and deep depths can preserve a body.

MOO

I'm thinking the diving gear helped. The body is pretty much contained. And I swear a wetsuit has a half life comparable to Plutonium.....

 

[cluciano63]

Thank you. That sucks. If they never find Dylan there will always be a chance that he is in the water Sorry, I will be more positive at the moment. We will find Dylan. It may just take some time.

I have less and less optimism. Those photos show just have vast each area is, and that is a very tiny portion of the overall area, not to mention surrounding communities, etc. very depressing.

 

[scorekeeper]

It's a good possibility. The lake is huge and up to 80 feet deep, plus most of the bottom is probably cluttered - covered with stumps. The whole area had to be logged before the dam was built to create the lake in the early 1940s.

This is just heart-breaking.

It makes me sick. I don't think the first HRD dogs were wrong.

I mean 80 feet deep - with a possible weighed down backpack.....JMO

 

[Chili Fries]

This is an incredible story:

The fliers for Amber Dubois were posted across Southern California, volunteers scoured fields and parks, police followed hundreds of tips -- but six months after the teenager's disappearance, her family still had no answers.

Then search dogs Quincy and Jack were put on the case, tugging their handlers down the same streets Amber strolled the day she vanished, and hopes lifted.

It didn't matter that some scientists and dog handler associations considered it highly improbable that canines could trace a human scent months old,or that Quincy and Jack weren't bloodhounds, the typical tracking breed.

Last August, Quincy, a yellow Labrador, and Jack, a German short-haired pointer, led the handlers 20 miles from Amber's suburban home to a remote Indian village, where the dogs went into an alerting frenzy. Her family thought it could mean only one thing: Amber.

"We believe in those dogs," said Amber's father, Moe Dubois, an electronics engineer. "We've seen it firsthand."

But police apparently weren't convinced. They shut down the canine search, and the case grew colder.

Six months after the dogs departed, authorities found Amber's skeletal remains on a scrub-covered hillside in northern San Diego County, about two miles from the Indian village.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr/05/local/la-me-dogs5-2010apr05/2


There's much more at the link. More dog handlers are quoted as being very skeptical of the claim that dogs can follow a months-old scent (and I tend to be too), saying it was just a coincidence, but you all can decide for yourselves. Maybe the Redwines would consider contacting the Virginia VK9 Scent Specific Search and Recovery Unit.

 

[Kamille]

I'm thinking the diving gear helped. The body is pretty much contained. And I swear a wetsuit has a half life comparable to Plutonium.....

True but according to this paper from a lecture on forensic medicine...

3. The normal changes of decomposition of a body are delayed in cold, deep water so that
bodies may be surprisingly well preserved after a long period of immersion. These conditions
also favour the formation of adipocere (see 1 above) which protects against decomposition.

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/water.pdf

TBH however, I do not really think that Dylan is anywhere near that lake or the Vallecito/Bayfield area. There are a good 10 hours unaccounted for here and IF MR is reponsible, in his own words, "he could be anywhere". And I don't think MR would be directing LE to bodies of water via a missing fishing pole.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if Dylan's phone is in that lake however. If the 9:37pm electronic communication is not from his phone, it seemed to disappear right around the time they would have been passing the lake.

MOO

 

[ColdHands]

I don't think he's in the lake either. I think it would be tricky (not impossible of course) to find a spot along the road close enough for easy access (I don't see MR as a very athletic, energetic kind of guy) carrying a 100 lb boy plus additional weight in the backpack or something to keep him submerged, with water right off the bank that is deep enough to submerge him, without anyone seeing him or wondering why there was a car parked at a day-use only lake at night or leaving any trace along a grass/weed-covered bank or dusty roadside. Not impossible, but I think he'd have to have some luck.

I believe that the time between the last text and the first time MR appeared in public the next morning gives MR plenty of options that would be less public than that particular lake.

IMO

 

[SuperMom1995]

we know MRs vehicles were sent to forensics, but I wonder if any work vehicles he had access to were tested.

We also don't know what forensic evidence was found in his trucks or house. LE said they were not going to share that info and they have gotten together with FBI and CBI to strategize.

 

[ColdHands]

Although the thought had crossed my mind that MR wanted Dylan's body to be found right away, so Elaine would know exactly what he had done to hurt her. In a kind of megalomaniac, narcissistic way, without remorse or fear of punishment. Hence, pointing to the fishing pole as a way to get LE to the dam. IMO

 

[Dee10]

True but according to this paper from a lecture on forensic medicine...

3. The normal changes of decomposition of a body are delayed in cold, deep water so that
bodies may be surprisingly well preserved after a long period of immersion. These conditions
also favour the formation of adipocere (see 1 above) which protects against decomposition.

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/water.pdf

TBH however, I do not really think that Dylan is anywhere near that lake or the Vallecito/Bayfield area. There are a good 10 hours unaccounted for here and IF MR is reponsible, in his own words, "he could be anywhere". And I don't think MR would be directing LE to bodies of water via a missing fishing pole.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if Dylan's phone is in that lake however. If the 9:37pm electronic communication is not from his phone, it seemed to disappear right around the time they would have been passing the lake.

MOO

BBM & underlined - Did you mean the shortly after 8:00 text, because they would coincide with being at the drive-thru at 7:22? MR made a point in saying cell phone services doesn't start until around the dam coming from Durango. I have always felt he said that for a reason, so I believe you maybe right. At 9:37 though according to MR they were watchin' the movie.

 

[scorekeeper]

Although the thought had crossed my mind that MR wanted Dylan's body to be found right away, so Elaine would know exactly what he had done to hurt her. In a kind of megalomaniac, narcissistic way, without remorse or fear of punishment. Hence, pointing to the fishing pole as a way to get LE to the dam. IMO

Or wanting people to believe that Dylan had an accident while fishing?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I don't think he's in the lake either. I think it would be tricky (not impossible of course) to find a spot along the road close enough for easy access (I don't see MR as a very athletic, energetic kind of guy) carrying a 100 lb boy plus additional weight in the backpack or something to keep him submerged, with water right off the bank that is deep enough to submerge him, without anyone seeing him or wondering why there was a car parked at a day-use only lake at night or leaving any trace along a grass/weed-covered bank or dusty roadside. Not impossible, but I think he'd have to have some luck.

I believe that the time between the last text and the first time MR appeared in public the next morning gives MR plenty of options that would be less public than that particular lake.

IMO

Have you zoomed in and looked at how close the road is around the lake and the dam?

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Vallecito+Reservoir&hl=en&ll=37.409437,-107.539673&spn=0.121627,0.244446&sll=41.082613,-85.153808&sspn=0.230836,0.488892&oq=valencito+reservior&t=h&hnear=Vallecito+Reservoir&z=12"]Vallecito Reservoir - Google Maps[/ame]

 

[KateNY]

This is an incredible story:

The fliers for Amber Dubois were posted across Southern California, volunteers scoured fields and parks, police followed hundreds of tips -- but six months after the teenager's disappearance, her family still had no answers.

Then search dogs Quincy and Jack were put on the case, tugging their handlers down the same streets Amber strolled the day she vanished, and hopes lifted.

It didn't matter that some scientists and dog handler associations considered it highly improbable that canines could trace a human scent months old,or that Quincy and Jack weren't bloodhounds, the typical tracking breed.

Last August, Quincy, a yellow Labrador, and Jack, a German short-haired pointer, led the handlers 20 miles from Amber's suburban home to a remote Indian village, where the dogs went into an alerting frenzy. Her family thought it could mean only one thing: Amber.

"We believe in those dogs," said Amber's father, Moe Dubois, an electronics engineer. "We've seen it firsthand."

But police apparently weren't convinced. They shut down the canine search, and the case grew colder.

Six months after the dogs departed, authorities found Amber's skeletal remains on a scrub-covered hillside in northern San Diego County, about two miles from the Indian village.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr/05/local/la-me-dogs5-2010apr05/2


There's much more at the link. More dog handlers are quoted as being very skeptical of the claim that dogs can follow a months-old scent (and I tend to be too), saying it was just a coincidence, but you all can decide for yourselves. Maybe the Redwines would consider contacting the Virginia VK9 Scent Specific Search and Recovery Unit.

Thanks much for that post!

Dogs trailed Laci Peterson to San Francisco Bay

were they Air scent dogs?

that was quite a long way IIRC

anyone recall how long that was after she disappeared?

 

[SuperMom1995]

Where is the info that Elaine and Mark haven't spoken for 3 years/since 2009 coming from please? I'd like to read about it. Thank you

The dr Phil preview...

 

[mijamawi]

Ok, hypothetical.....

Let's say something fatal happened to Dylan at 8:01ish. At 9:37 (an hour and a half after fatality) a text was sent. It seems as though said text was sent from an itouch, which requires wi/fi. So, MR fatally harms Dylan, goes home to text from the itouch and then....what? Was Dylan left in the truck while MR went home to text? If he was in the truck, LE would probably know this right? Did MR leave him at the site of the fatality, hoping no one (or nothing) came across the body? I'm in no way being snarky. I have been thinking of how this could happen since the 9:37 text became public knowledge. This 9:37 text is somehow a clue and I'm trying to make it work with the public opinion of MR did it. MOO, IMO, JMO, HYPOTHETICALMOOOO

 

[MrsPC]

The dr Phil preview...

ER didn't say they hadn't spoken in 3 yrs....she just said she & MR had not spoken at all...and it's a short clip from the show....so I assumed she meant they hadn't spoken since Dylan vanished. They've only traded text messages prior to doing the Dr. Phil show.

 

[Kamille]

BBM & underlined - Did you mean the shortly after 8:00 text, because they would coincide with being at the drive-thru at 7:22? MR made a point in saying cell phone services doesn't start until around the dam coming from Durango. I have always felt he said that for a reason, so I believe you maybe right. At 9:37 though according to MR they were watchin' the movie.

Yes I was referring to ER stating that all communication from the phone stopped shortly after 8pm....right about the time that MR places them in the area of the lake. If the phone was pitched into the lake, that would certainly stop all communication with the tower.

MOO

 

[KateNY]

Ok, hypothetical.....

Let's say something fatal happened to Dylan at 8:01ish. At 9:37 (an hour and a half after fatality) a text was sent. It seems as though said text was sent from an itouch, which requires wi/fi. So, MR fatally harms Dylan, goes home to text from the itouch and then....what? Was Dylan left in the truck while MR went home to text? If he was in the truck, LE would probably know this right? Did MR leave him at the site of the fatality, hoping no one (or nothing) came across the body? I'm in no way being snarky. I have been thinking of how this could happen since the 9:37 text became public knowledge. This 9:37 text is somehow a clue and I'm trying to make it work with the public opinion of MR did it. MOO, IMO, JMO, HYPOTHETICALMOOOO

BBM

has to be, and it seems they held on to it for a bit after they got stuff back from FBI

letting someone know they they (LE) knew about that text,, and,, that they found his IPOD email account

 

[Kamille]

Ok, hypothetical.....

Let's say something fatal happened to Dylan at 8:01ish. At 9:37 (an hour and a half after fatality) a text was sent. It seems as though said text was sent from an itouch, which requires wi/fi. So, MR fatally harms Dylan, goes home to text from the itouch and then....what? Was Dylan left in the truck while MR went home to text? If he was in the truck, LE would probably know this right? Did MR leave him at the site of the fatality, hoping no one (or nothing) came across the body? I'm in no way being snarky. I have been thinking of how this could happen since the 9:37 text became public knowledge. This 9:37 text is somehow a clue and I'm trying to make it work with the public opinion of MR did it. MOO, IMO, JMO, HYPOTHETICALMOOOO

Well we could also say hypothetically that an argument caused the phone to be disabled somehow and then after getting to the house, Dylan chose to continue to text with his Ipod, or he got a one-off text so to speak before getting caught.

MOO

 

[KateNY]

Bringing Forward


http://www.drphil.com/shows/

Tuesday - February 26, 2013
The Disappearance of Dylan: Who's to Blame?

On November 19, 2012, then 13-year-old Dylan Redwine vanished without a trace while on a court-ordered visitation at his father, Mark’s, house outside Durango, Colorado. Mark and his ex-wife, Elaine, who haven’t seen or spoken to each other in three years, come face to face on Dr. Phil’s stage. What happened to Dylan? Why are his parents pointing the finger at each other? And, what does Mark have to say about the last time he saw his son? Plus, why does Mark and Elaine’s oldest son, Cory, accuse his father of hiding something?

Wednesday - February 27, 2013
The Search for Dylan: The Polygraph Drama

In Part 2 of this Dr. Phil mystery, the family of 14-year-old Dylan Redwine, who has been missing for three months, continues to search for answers. Dr. Phil sits down one-on-one with Dylan's father, Mark, in an effort to help find Dylan. Was he the last person to see the teen? And, what does Mark think happened to his son? Mark says he’s tired of having the finger pointed at him, and he’s willing to take a polygraph test to help clear his name. When the time comes, will he take the test?