CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[absentia]

And he said there are "several places it is", not was or could have been, then he continues his sentence with saying it was "either next to the tv" or....

Kind of interesting his mixing the past and present tenses all in one sentence.

I really, really hate to think this and it makes me sick more then most can know, but reading it the way he said it IMO could be the clue as to what happened that night. The pole was next to the tv, MR got mad and used it and it broke and is now scattered around town.

This is just my thoughts. All my opinions.ect.

ugh. totally possible. the pole, campground, bridge, lake and rock walls are sensitive to MR. I think whatever happened involved all of those or at least most of those places and items.

 

[cluciano63]

If LE knew for certain that Dylan was alive, then they should say so and not have people and dogs risking injury or worse out there searching.

I am pretty sure they don't have any real idea whether or not he is alive, beyond the usual LE "no proof he isn't."

 

[absentia]

To my knowledge no cadaver dogs were taken to the home. They did have scent dogs out there at one time trying to catch Dylan's scent. I have asked many times if cadaver dogs ever searched MR's home and vehicles and have never gotten a definitive answer.

I don't think Dylan ever made it to the house and whatever happened happened outside of the vehicle.

yup. campground.

 

[Seajay]

I would take Ransom's word over anyone we have heard from on this case.

I would too. Ransom was there and specifically tested this idea because of our discussion here early on.

 

[absentia]

LE, I have heard, doesn't give 100% weight to lie detector test results. But, what they do give a lot of weight to is the person's reaction to being asked to take one.

I believe he should have taken the one Dr. Phil was offering because he complained that the first one he took was inconclusive and perhaps the guy giving it to him was not qualified. He also said elsewhere, a couple times I believe, that he would take another one. If I were Dr. Phil, knowing all that, I would have offered one to him, too, especially with the experience that Dr. Phil's examiner has.

If he never wanted to take another test, he just should have said he did not want to from the get-go - even before the show. But, he did not - he said the opposite. He speaks out of two sides of his mouth.

the idea of taking a poly made him completely fall apart. a complete basket case in the face of taking a poly. if that's not a confession I dunno what is.

 

[SCHMAE]

So here's what I'm wondering and don't all jump on me at once . Is the local , small county LE able to handle this job ? The ' 10 days' of a head start for any perp to do anything with moving things around, evidence, etc. while calling it a runaway , is one thing. Then all this silence with seemingly little to go on .........NOT asking for public's help very often at all, as if they've got it all taken care of and now this DIRECT contradiction of what the dog's handlers is saying happened. I feel kind of bad for the dog handlers. They made this extra special trip. We've all seen the pics of not just the dogs but the people out there trudging through knee deep snow for one thing. I doubt if those people would do that if they thought their dogs may or may not be right if they get a " HIT". Then LE calls it brush or says it's not a hit .... I'm unclear on what was said exactly. So I was thinking last night about all of the local RSO's that LE has ' cleared'. Does that " cleared'' look like this "" hey have you seen this boy dylan ?'' RSO says " nope'' and LE says " ok have a good day, tks for your time". I mean I know it seems stupid, but I really have to wonder how extensively they cleared/ interviewed/ searched their homes, etc. I mean you feel like OH great they checked all the rsos' around. But as bungled as some of their other statements are, I'm beginning to wonder.
SORRY LE , I'm not trying to bash you .

 

[Allusonz]

So here's what I'm wondering and don't all jump on me at once . Is the local , small county LE able to handle this job ? The ' 10 days' of a head start for any perp to do anything with moving things around, evidence, etc. while calling it a runaway , is one thing. Then all this silence with seemingly little to go on .........NOT asking for public's help very often at all, as if they've got it all taken care of and now this DIRECT contradiction of what the dog's handlers is saying happened. I feel kind of bad for the dog handlers. They made this extra special trip. We've all seen the pics of not just the dogs but the people out there trudging through knee deep snow for one thing. I doubt if those people would do that if they thought their dogs may or may not be right if they get a " HIT". Then LE calls it brush or says it's not a hit .... I'm unclear on what was said exactly. So I was thinking last night about all of the local RSO's that LE has ' cleared'. Does that " cleared'' look like this "" hey have you seen this boy dylan ?'' RSO says " nope'' and LE says " ok have a good day, tks for your time". I mean I know it seems stupid, but I really have to wonder how extensively they cleared/ interviewed/ searched their homes, etc. I mean you feel like OH great they checked all the rsos' around. But as bungled as some of their other statements are, I'm beginning to wonder.
SORRY LE , I'm not trying to bash you .

BBM


I don't in a million years believe they have cleared all those sex offenders. They may have alibis, but it takes time to "check" those alibis, as the Mickey Shunick case showed.

 

[absentia]

So here's what I'm wondering and don't all jump on me at once . Is the local , small county LE able to handle this job ? The ' 10 days' of a head start for any perp to do anything with moving things around, evidence, etc. while calling it a runaway , is one thing. Then all this silence with seemingly little to go on .........NOT asking for public's help very often at all, as if they've got it all taken care of and now this DIRECT contradiction of what the dog's handlers is saying happened. I feel kind of bad for the dog handlers. They made this extra special trip. We've all seen the pics of not just the dogs but the people out there trudging through knee deep snow for one thing. I doubt if those people would do that if they thought their dogs may or may not be right if they get a " HIT". Then LE calls it brush or says it's not a hit .... I'm unclear on what was said exactly. So I was thinking last night about all of the local RSO's that LE has ' cleared'. Does that " cleared'' look like this "" hey have you seen this boy dylan ?'' RSO says " nope'' and LE says " ok have a good day, tks for your time". I mean I know it seems stupid, but I really have to wonder how extensively they cleared/ interviewed/ searched their homes, etc. I mean you feel like OH great they checked all the rsos' around. But as bungled as some of their other statements are, I'm beginning to wonder.
SORRY LE , I'm not trying to bash you .

I think we're all wondering this. I know I am. the dogs hit in the same area the dogs hit on in Nov. Someone's down there.

 

[La Louve]

If LE knew for certain that Dylan was alive, then they should say so and not have people and dogs risking injury or worse out there searching.

I am pretty sure they don't have any real idea whether or not he is alive, beyond the usual LE "no proof he isn't."

Agree with your first statement.

Regarding the second statement, on the other hand, it's possible they are certain from their searches of MR's house and vehicles and the hits from the dogs and whatever else evidence they have found but not shared publicly, that Dylan is dead. But they may not have enough evidence to make an arrest and give the DA a viable case, so they are playing a waiting game hoping the responsible party makes a mistake.

 

[Allusonz]

If LE knew for certain that Dylan was alive, then they should say so and not have people and dogs risking injury or worse out there searching.

I am pretty sure they don't have any real idea whether or not he is alive, beyond the usual LE "no proof he isn't."

How many 13 year old joggers do you know?

Not only a jogger, but one that ran away from 2 different searchers in 2 separate incidents.

I will admit that CR looks like his brother, but DR is very young looking.

Why would a jogger run away from searchers?

It kinda reminds me of the fishing pole whose owner they found.

 

[ColdHands]

Agree with your first statement.

Regarding the second statement, on the other hand, it's possible they are certain from their searches of MR's house and vehicles and the hits from the dogs and whatever else evidence they have found but not shared publicly, that Dylan is dead. But they may not have enough evidence to make an arrest and give the DA a viable case, so they are playing a waiting game hoping the responsible party makes a mistake.

I would think they would move quickly to recover a body though, because every day that goes by is a day that makes forensic analysis more difficult, and cause of death less reliable to determine. I can see playing that waiting game on a possible perpetrator, but not on recovery of the body.

 

[Seek&Find]

Not if someone spread ashes.

There would be no body to recover.

This is then logged with the specific spot etc.

I've never heard of a case where cadaver dogs alerted on ashes in water. Have you?

 

[La Louve]

So here's what I'm wondering and don't all jump on me at once . Is the local , small county LE able to handle this job ? The ' 10 days' of a head start for any perp to do anything with moving things around, evidence, etc. while calling it a runaway , is one thing. Then all this silence with seemingly little to go on .........NOT asking for public's help very often at all, as if they've got it all taken care of and now this DIRECT contradiction of what the dog's handlers is saying happened. I feel kind of bad for the dog handlers. They made this extra special trip. We've all seen the pics of not just the dogs but the people out there trudging through knee deep snow for one thing. I doubt if those people would do that if they thought their dogs may or may not be right if they get a " HIT". Then LE calls it brush or says it's not a hit .... I'm unclear on what was said exactly. So I was thinking last night about all of the local RSO's that LE has ' cleared'. Does that " cleared'' look like this "" hey have you seen this boy dylan ?'' RSO says " nope'' and LE says " ok have a good day, tks for your time". I mean I know it seems stupid, but I really have to wonder how extensively they cleared/ interviewed/ searched their homes, etc. I mean you feel like OH great they checked all the rsos' around. But as bungled as some of their other statements are, I'm beginning to wonder.
SORRY LE , I'm not trying to bash you .

BBM this has been bothering me too.:furious: I read a quote earlier in this thread, from LE re: earlier dog searches and hits that the dogs were "wrong". That just seems like such an unprofessional thing to say in public. It's starting to make me look askance a bit at how LE appears to be conducting the investigation.

btw, My POV on this is having been involved for several years with extended family that trained and searched with their SAR dogs. ALL SAR folks I have ever met take their avocations very seriously and would be horrified to hear LE say something like that in public.

 

[cluciano63]

Agree with your first statement.

Regarding the second statement, on the other hand, it's possible they are certain from their searches of MR's house and vehicles and the hits from the dogs and whatever else evidence they have found but not shared publicly, that Dylan is dead. But they may not have enough evidence to make an arrest and give the DA a viable case, so they are playing a waiting game hoping the responsible party makes a mistake.

But if as you say they are certain he is dead, then there should be evidence that says so, i.e a few drops of blood would not do it but as with the current case in MN, a husband was arrested for murder of missing wife due to the extent of crime scene found, i.e head-sized blood stains.

I think LE may believe Dylan is probably deceased just due to circumstances and eventually, this could turn into a murder without a body case, if a few pieces more fall into place for LE and MR is indeed the culprit or suspect. But obviously, they hope to find him, which adds to the frustration of their attitude toward the work of the current search groups.

 

[Allusonz]

Agree with your first statement.

Regarding the second statement, on the other hand, it's possible they are certain from their searches of MR's house and vehicles and the hits from the dogs and whatever else evidence they have found but not shared publicly, that Dylan is dead. But they may not have enough evidence to make an arrest and give the DA a viable case, so they are playing a waiting game hoping the responsible party makes a mistake.

I just want to note something here.

To my understanding, and I may be wrong or misread, but did they not bring an air scent dog along with an HRD k9?

IIRC she brought 2 different types of k9's which perplexed me till I thought about it a bit.

 

[NC Analyzer]

How many 13 year old joggers do you know?

Not only a jogger, but one that ran away from 2 different searchers in 2 separate incidents.

I will admit that CR looks like his brother, but DR is very young looking.

Why would a jogger run away from searchers?

It kinda reminds me of the fishing pole whose owner they found.

What on earth....??? Why do you have the idea that "joggers" ran away from "searchers"? Where is that coming from? Who ran away? I didn't see anything, anywhere about anyone running away from any searchers. Just reported "sightings" that could "possibly" be Dylan...which is very common in missing person cases.

 

[cluciano63]

I sent Sarx an email, she is a dog expert, to help with some of these questions.

K9 Forensics said they had a tracking dog, as well as as cadaver dogs in this search.

 

[cluciano63]

What on earth....??? Why do you have the idea that "joggers" ran away from "searchers"? Where is that coming from? Who ran away? I didn't see anything, anywhere about anyone running away from any searchers. Just reported "sightings" that could "possibly" be Dylan...which is very common in missing person cases.

Aren't joggers usually running, lol...and wouldn't you keep on running if people were yelling an unfamiliar name at you?

 

[Allusonz]

I've never heard of a case where cadaver dogs alerted on ashes in water. Have you?

All I was giving was alternatives.

I as well know what I was told and the mountains of red tape before I could spread ashes in a body of water.

I did not state this was the case in here. I simply put out some alternatives. It does not mean anyone has to agree, even like what I have to say. I was answering a question posed by another poster on why LE would dismiss hits.

The handlers and k9's must keep logs. Their reputation rests on the ability of the handlers and the dogs. I don't believe any of the SAR were not telling the truth.

So we go back to the original question of why LE dismissed those hits.

 

[NC Analyzer]

The mail lady reported she saw 2 boys walking. The mail lady was not a "searcher".
There was also a report that someone spotted another boy that was later described as looking similar to Dylan. Not reported by a "searcher".
I never saw any reports that anyone "ran away". Got a link?

All sightings have been checked and ruled out per LE.