CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[scorekeeper]

thanks, diveguy!!

from one of the sites:

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BBM

Wonder if TES has one?

 

[SwampMama]

Yes, I'm a diver and did some search & recovery in the past. There are many ROV's now which are relatively inexpensive (starting at around $5,000) and do the job well. With this being such a high-profile case, it would be a great opportunity for some team or organization to donate their services (hint, hint).

In an environment like this, it would be most efficient to locate the object to be recovered with the ROV, then recovering it using divers.

Here are some interesting links on one of these smaller ROV's available:

http://videoray.com
http://videoray.com/applications/law-enforcement/sar.html
http://videoray.com/news/press-releases/84-2005/124-under-ice-search-uses-multiple-micro-rovs.html

I have a question DiveGuy. I am on the dive team in my area and when our people go out on a body recovery, we get sonar equipment (in addition to cadaver dogs) to help us search. So would sonar equipment help ya'll or would the ice cause and issue with it and cause it to not work properly? (I live in Louisiana so ice on our water is never an issue).

Also a question that maybe anyone can answer... I am hearing ya'll talk about a rock wall or damn. It is a like a dam or wall that water is flowing over? Bodies can get caught in the areas right below where the water is flowing over a dam because of the constant flow of water. Is that a possibility here?

 

[Kimster]

The Dr. Phil thread is closed now. It's okay to discuss the show here.

 

[Seajay]

I think that MR is a very complicated and difficult man. He's really stubborn. I can see him not wanting to do the poly that day, not after 2 hours of being in the hot seat and obviously feeling like he was ambushed, but then he sabotaged the one the next day. Not good. Not good at all.

I'm thinking now that Dr. Phil should have had him take the poly before he got on the show. Brought him out a day earlier than anyone else and had him to the poly then. Or just announced he was given the chance and he refused it instead of all that other drama, if he had refused to take it before the show.

He didn't do himself any favors. He looked really bad in this. I'm beginning to believe he's got some deep seeded mental issues.

Not ready to say he killed Dylan. That's a big step for me. I find it harder to get there than the rest of you, but I'm working on it.

I think for me, to even think MR killed Dylan, I have to believe Dylan is dead and I can't do that. Like Elaine, I choose hope. I want to believe Dylan is alive somewhere and if he is, anything could have happened. That's just my opinion right now. Sorry if it doesn't match with anyone else's. I have a right to feel the way I do. IMO

 

[Irish_Eyes]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Now my question about this whole scenario is: If that is the first thought you go to, why was your child there in the first place. My point being is that this is a court ordered custody arrangement. How on earth did any court in the land approve unsupervised, overnight visitation to a man that apparently is violent, controlling, has police reports about "taking" his children without approval from the other parent, and in the words of some a psychopathic narcissist? A person that apparently both children did not like and the first person thought of when something happens.

I don't know and I will eat my words and re-assess my ability to read people if it turns out that MR is guilty.

(snipped by me for space and bolded for emphasis)

This literally happens all the time. It has happened personally to me and my child. Many organizations exist that are trying to change laws so that child safety is the #1 concern judges must consider in crafting visitation plans. Some of these great organizations are:

DV Leap: http://www.dvleap.org/
The Leadership Council: http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/
The Center for Judicial Excellence: http://www.centerforjudicialexcellence.org/

It's also a major part of the current agenda for the National Organization for Women (NOW) as highlighted in their Fall 2012 Newsletter: http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/family/FamilyLawNewsletter-Fall2012.pdf

It happened to Prince Rams, here is his mother's heartbreaking blog: http://cappuccinoqueen.com/?page_id=17

It happened to Charlie and Braden Powell and Anthony and Austin and Athena Castillo and Ryan Managiele and many many others. We don't know that it happened to Dylan, but we know it IS happening.

I'll be at the Battered Mother's Custody Conference at Georgetown University in May looking to get some additional protections put in place for children's rights to safety in family court. I hope other WSers who are sick of seeing cases like those named above will stand behind us!

 

[Tonto]

I think that MR is a very complicated and difficult man. He's really stubborn. I can see him not wanting to do the poly that day, not after 2 hours of being in the hot seat and obviously feeling like he was ambushed, but then he sabotaged the one the next day. Not good. Not good at all.

I'm thinking now that Dr. Phil should have had him take the poly before he got on the show. Brought him out a day earlier than anyone else and had him to the poly then. Or just announced he was given the chance and he refused it instead of all that other drama, if he had refused to take it before the show.

Yep. Dr. Phil totally blew it on the poly opportunity by showing his pseudo-anger and overt prejudice just to bait MR and get ratings. I wouldn't have taken the test either after this disingenuous hack and so-called "psychologist" told me on national TV that I was mentally ill. There's a reason this cat doesn't have a license to practice, and said license wasn't voluntarily relinquished.

 

[jn0920]

We are all allowed to our own opinion but I don't believe we need to be "slamming" Dr. Phil due to his license. His license was revoked in 1989 due to inappropriate conduct with a 19 year old patient. This was in Texas, he is eligible for a new license in whichever state he primarily lives, most likely California. The show does not require him to have a license unless he leaves the show and goes out to provide counseling to people such as what happened with Brittany Spears.

IMO Dr. Phil have MR plenty of opportunities to admit what happened and asked him multiple times if he truly did want to take the polygraph. As soon as MR was shown in the car on the way to the polygraph office it was clear that he was not going to go through with it. I do understand why MR didn't want to take the poly that day after the accusations that he dealt with. BUT I find it very hard to believe MR never thought DP would offer a polygraph. If I were MR I would have called the show before I even arrived and said listen, I know your going to question my polygraph so lets do this again BEFORE the show even starts. I don't have children but I could not imagine how painful it would be to be accused of something that you did not do. I would do anything I could to clear that up.

IMO MR has created the situation in which he's in because of his lack of evolvement, his "me me me" attitude and his change in stories. When DP told him that if something did happen, he did snap or there was an accident, he would help him but it was a short offer. If MR did do something or there was an accident that was his time to speak up.

While it was unethical for DP to say that something was wrong with MR if he had not hurt Dylan, I feel that DP was frustrated and exhausted mentally from the run around MR was giving him. MR did not even seem shocked by this statement which makes me think that he probably does hold a lot of anger inside and finally snaps.

ALL IMO as always.


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[jn0920]

I think for me, to even think MR killed Dylan, I have to believe Dylan is dead and I can't do that. Like Elaine, I choose hope. I want to believe Dylan is alive somewhere and if he is, anything could have happened. That's just my opinion right now. Sorry if it doesn't match with anyone else's. I have a right to feel the way I do. IMO

I think we all have trouble thinking Dylan could be gone. I struggle with wondering if its worse to think he's deceased or that he's out there somewhere in who knows what conditions.


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[Seajay]

We are all allowed to our own opinion but I don't believe we need to be "slamming" Dr. Phil due to his license. His license was revoked in 1989 due to inappropriate conduct with a 19 year old patient. This was in Texas, he is eligible for a new license in whichever state he primarily lives, most likely California. The show does not require him to have a license unless he leaves the show and goes out to provide counseling to people such as what happened with Brittany Spears.

IMO Dr. Phil have MR plenty of opportunities to admit what happened and asked him multiple times if he truly did want to take the polygraph. As soon as MR was shown in the car on the way to the polygraph office it was clear that he was not going to go through with it. I do understand why MR didn't want to take the poly that day after the accusations that he dealt with. BUT I find it very hard to believe MR never thought DP would offer a polygraph. If I were MR I would have called the show before I even arrived and said listen, I know your going to question my polygraph so lets do this again BEFORE the show even starts. I don't have children but I could not imagine how painful it would be to be accused of something that you did not do. I would do anything I could to clear that up.

IMO MR has created the situation in which he's in because of his lack of evolvement, his "me me me" attitude and his change in stories. When DP told him that if something did happen, he did snap or there was an accident, he would help him but it was a short offer. If MR did do something or there was an accident that was his time to speak up.

While it was unethical for DP to say that something was wrong with MR if he had not hurt Dylan, I feel that DP was frustrated and exhausted mentally from the run around MR was giving him. MR did not even seem shocked by this statement which makes me think that he probably does hold a lot of anger inside and finally snaps.

ALL IMO as always.


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I think in MR's mind, the minute Dr. Phil got aggressive with him in this questioning, he shut down. He no longer trusted Dr. Phil. And once Dr. Phil lost his trust, that was it. He was not going to cooperate with anything.

I believe I heard at one point that MR's expectation was the show was going to be focused on Dylan. I don't believe he had it in his mind that he was going to be the focus and that he was going to be surrounded my accusers. I think people are giving him too much credit to think that he would know ahead of time he'd be asked to take a polygraph. Why would he??? This isn't the police department, so why would he call them and tell them to give him one first? If anything the show should have let MR know what their intention might be and prepare him for that. I honestly believe MR was blindsided by this.

 

[Seajay]

I think we all have trouble thinking Dylan could be gone. I struggle with wondering if its worse to think he's deceased or that he's out there somewhere in who knows what conditions.


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Mostly I have a problem BELIEVING he's dead. I honestly don't believe it right now so all this talk or MR killing him falls on deaf ears to me. I think that's where I'm coming from of a place of "How can MR have killed him when I don't believe he's dead?"

First I would have to know that Dylan is indeed, truly dead. Then I will work on the "who" of it. IMO

 

[Flutterflies]

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

someone posting they have possibly seen Mark with Dylan - tried to call tip line but no answer

post by KBW 17 min ago - I can't find the post by Elaine that is being referenced

^^^^^^Check this out, what do y'all think?

 

[cluciano63]

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

someone posting they have possibly seen Mark with Dylan - tried to call tip line but no answer

post by KBW 17 min ago - I can't find the post by Elaine that is being referenced

^^^^^^Check this out, what do y'all think?

I'd say it is fairly impossible...even he could not be that dense.

 

[katydid23]

Hopefully, questions that ER has could get answered. She certainly hasn't asked MR questions in any other forum.

Like what questions? I don't think she has any questions other than the obvious ones she asked him repeatedly. Where is our son? ...Did you hurt him?

 

[katydid23]

I'm not sure what mediation might accomplish at this point?

That's an understatement...imo.

 

[katydid23]

I know that most people seem to think MR was the cause of Dylan's disappearance. But, I have boys and although I know I can't judge Dylan's actions on what my children would do, I do often think that faced with a wait of a few hours, a lot of boys would go out and explore the area nearby rather than sit indoors.

Is it really totally unbelievable to think that Dylan didn't see the fishing pole at the house and that put the idea into his head that he could just kill some time by going over to the lake.... and then perhaps slipped in? Not saying he went fishing, just that he may have gone to have a bit of an explore. Lots of boys love poking about around lakes. And MR did mention a few areas around his house that he said Dylan was familar with and liked to go to.

I know his mum says he wasn't big on fishing..... but then his friends say he was a daredevil, he was outgoing and we know he used to spend hours and hours hanging around the neighbourhood.

He may have taken his backpack with him, already packed with all this clothes etc for a few days away - so that when MR pulled up in his car, Dylan could jump straight in without having to even go back inside the house. So, for me, I do still think that it is a possibility that he did leave the house to go outside for a bit, and that he met with a tragic accident.

It still doesnt answer the question for me, about why he wouldn't have answered the texts and calls from his friend and his dad. If he was so bored, why not answer his dads call to see when he was coming back?

 

[cluciano63]

I wish I could be more optimistic about the show producing anything useful. I see that "tips" are pouring in, which will keep LE plenty busy, but I have little faith that any of them will pan out. I will try to revive a degree of hope, but good grief, it is difficult. So many of these kids that have gone missing are barely even mentioned anymore. They mostly had their days/weeks in the spotlight at one time or another, and then the cases kind of drop off the radar.

Where are these children, like Kyron, Hailey, Haleigh, Lisa, Ayla, Joshua, Lindsey, the Morenci (sp?) brothers, Timothy P., Amir, Hasani, etc....many of them, you have to dig just to find their threads. In all of these cases, except possibly Lindsey, a parent remains "uncleared."

I want Dylan to be found safely, but I want the same for these other kids just as much. Or an arrest made. Or something.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't know where I've been but I didn't know Dr. Phil doesn't have a license any longer or what circumstances he lost it under. If he had a thing with a 19 year old patient, that is an ethics problem.

I told hubby today that it looked like Dr. Phil was frazzled by MR. Kinda had to laugh that a man who is trained to get to the bottom of people's ids and psyches was worn out by this man.

I don't really see any humor in it.

 

[Seajay]

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

someone posting they have possibly seen Mark with Dylan - tried to call tip line but no answer

post by KBW 17 min ago - I can't find the post by Elaine that is being referenced

^^^^^^Check this out, what do y'all think?

I read that the Dr. Phil show has generated lots of tips. I hope that this whole thing leads to finding Dylan. Alive.

 

[jn0920]

I wish I could be more optimistic about the show producing anything useful. I see that "tips" are pouring in, which will keep LE plenty busy, but I have little faith that any of them will pan out. I will try to revive a degree of hope, but good grief, it is difficult. So many of these kids that have gone missing are barely even mentioned anymore. They mostly had their days/weeks in the spotlight at one time or another, and then the cases kind of drop off the radar.

Where are these children, like Kyron, Hailey, Haleigh, Lisa, Ayla, Joshua, Lindsey, the Morenci (sp?) brothers, Timothy P., Amir, Hasani, etc....many of them, you have to dig just to find their threads. In all of these cases, except possibly Lindsey, a parent remains "uncleared."

I want Dylan to be found safely, but I want the same for these other kids just as much. Or an arrest made. Or something.

I felt terrible for the mother because of how helpless she must truly feel. I would be afraid my child's file would become buried at the bottom on a cold case cabinet. She seems to be reaching out to every possible resource to get answers and she clearly will not rest until she gets answers.

While its great that more tips will be pouring in the concern I would have is that an important small tip would be missed.


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[jn0920]

I believe that everyone hoped that the DP show would provide more answers, good or bad. I believe the families and producers probably walked away more upset with each other than they did coming on the show. I hope that the mother remains positively focused on Dylan and doesn't worry about what the father has or hasn't done.


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