CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[Eileen730]

I guess I am just trying to cling to hope that this little fella is still alive somewhere.

You are probably right about the other person bringing him in, but there is still the niggling doubt in my mind about MR's powers of control. It seems that he thrives on threatening people etc.

The other thought I have had, and I realise this may not be possible, but I wonder if the electricty provider to MR's cabin can see if extra electricty was used the night DR arrived at MR's compared to the nights leading up to this event. I guess what i am trying to say is, if MR did something I would think that he would have been up all night, possibly washing clothes and or cleaning up a crime scene. Being that it has been confirmed that he attended his payroll office in the morning, whatever transpired would have had to have happened before 7:30am. He has been adamant that he went to bed. JMHO

I know I wish he did have him hidden.
I do think if MR hid this boy he would have produced him.
Sadly I do not see a good ending here.

 

[deoneta]

I have just had a thought, and I apologise if this has been discussed earlier.

I wonder if it is at all possible that MR palmed off DR to one of his trucker mates to take for a drive to put the wind up EH. I wonder if this was done so he could send the text messages about him being missing etc, and possibly this hit the news way faster than MR ever considered it would which put it out of his control. I wonder if the intention was the DR would be brought back to him or he would "find" him a day or two later, but because of all the attention the person that MR gave him to has freaked and couldn't bring him back.......I hope that makes sense!!

All of this is of course JMHO...

I wish that was the case because, at least compared to other scenarios, there would be a chance Dylan could be safely returned. It's hard to imagine what person would have the misguided loyalty (or stupidity) to agree to such a scheme or would take the chance of major jail time by not coming forward. All MOO

 

[Eileen730]

Why would Mark Redwine drink before a poly?

Only one answer!

 

[ColdHands]

I agree. That's what she should be doing. It's obvious that MR isn't going to help her out in this. That ship sailed years ago apparently. And that's not just his fault. It took two of them for them not to speak in 3 years. Two. Not one. And the animosity goes both ways. Not one. No one is 100% blameless when a marriage goes belly up. IMO Both have a part in it.

I wonder if Elaine or Cory are receiving regular counseling? I know for a fact I would need that kind of support to get through this. One thing that I don't see is anyone acting like they realize 1) you cannot change other people and 2) you can't put make someone do something.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

IMO, Dylan was injured in an accident while out roaming on his own.

Or, he was abducted.

If he was injured while on his own he would have been found by now. If he left the house on his own steam, he would have been on foot and someone would have seen him or he would have been found in the searches.
This is least likely of all scenarios.

I'm all for giving parents benefit of the doubt. I don't like to think of patents hurting their children but they do. And any parent missing a child would open their veins to be investigated if it would help find their child. This guy is hiding something. I'm not sure what. But something big.

 

[ColdHands]

If he was injured while on his own he would have been found by now. If he left the house on his own steam, he would have been on foot and someone would have seen him or he would have been found in the searches.
This is least likely of all scenarios.

I'm all for giving parents benefit of the doubt. I don't like to think of patents hurting their children but they do. And any parent missing a child would open their veins to be investigated if it would help find their child. This guy is hiding something. I'm not sure what. But something big.

BBM

I don't agree with that statement bolded above. There have been several possible scenarios presented that have Dylan outside the house with his backpack, not contacting friends, etc. and a witness is saying she saw him. I know people have chosen to not believe this, but I would not throw it away just yet.

 

[TheDuchess]

IMO, Dylan was injured in an accident while out roaming on his own.

Or, he was abducted.

While I have no problems with Dylan not texting after 9:30 p.m. I do have a lot of problems with the idea that he would venture out on his own with ALL of his belongings and not contact anyone prior to that. He definitely would have had some communication with someone to meet up somewhere. If he was just outside wandering around (i.e. playing on rock walls, exploring the woods, etc...) he would NOT have brought ALL of his belongings.

If someone came into the house to abduct him, there would be some kind of a evidence of a struggle-he was almost 14 years old at the time! Also, he wouldn't take the time to grab all of his stuff. Would you think the abductor would have bothered to grab the backpack? Or allowed Dylan to grab it? That doesn't make any sense.

Why would he leave the house with all of his stuff without contacting anyone at all. He had plans, he had friends and he lived too far away from anyone to just get up and go without talking to them first.

Trust me, I've tried all of the mental calisthenics possible to try to make this work, but it just doesn't. The only logical explanation at this point would be that Mark did something to Dylan.

 

[TheDuchess]

BBM

I don't agree with that statement bolded above. There have been several possible scenarios presented that have Dylan outside the house with his backpack, not contacting friends, etc. and a witness is saying she saw him. I know people have chosen to not believe this, but I would not throw it away just yet.

Can you please tell us what reasonable possible scenarios have Dylan out with his backpack not contacting anyone?

ETA-Not being snarky-I'd love to have a reasonable scenario that Dylan is either still alive or that Mark is innocent.

 

[cfreyja23]

Mediation was a recommendation by LE so that ER and MR could ask each other questions and answers could be provided by both parties in a neutral setting.

Do you have a link that mediation was suggested by LE? TIA

 

[catswhiskers]

Well he makes that very easy . He is the last one to have seen Dylan and is still lacking any empathy for his sons plight , instead deciding to find the answer is a bottle :cow:

Now he could just be a terrible father granted but I think there is more to it than that :cow:

I disagree that MR is responsible for the bad behaviour, vicious rantings and hysteria of posters across numerous forums. Large scale deflection IMO. Surely he can't be a deflector and a deflectee at the same time? (Just made both those words up for effect)

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that MR (or any other parent or family member with a child missing for that matter) is taking prescribed medication for anxiety or depression, as some can have the effect of diffusing or damping down overt emotional reactions. I don't see him as robotic or emotionless, but I have thought him remarkably calm in public at least, in the face of all the hostility being directed his way.

I noted that he softened and seemed more vulnerable during the one on one backstage with DP. He was still under pressure then for sure, but he seemed relieved to be offstage and in that one to one situation. Well... that is right up until DP told him there was something very wrong with him.

:moo:

ETA: no idea how that thumbs up got up there ^^!

 

[ColdHands]

Can you please tell us what reasonable possible scenarios have Dylan out with his backpack not contacting anyone?

ETA-Not being snarky-I'd love to have a reasonable scenario that Dylan is either still alive or that Mark is innocent.

One was that he realized when Mark went out the door that it wa serious and he was losing his ride. Grabbed everything, ran out the door too late. Stood there, dejected, someone came along, sees him, started a conversation, offers a ride, got him into a vehicle thinking he could call or text while on the road.

Another is that he got up, did his thing for a bit, delayed contacting friends for whatever reason (just didn't feel like it?) Stepped outside for a few minutes, chocking things out. Someone comes along, sees him, starts a conversation, offers a ride if he's really quick, Dylan grabs his stuff, gets into the vehicle thinking he'll call or text while they're on the road.

Third scenario had someone at the house. Either already there or comes shortly after Mark leaves. Enters the house, takes Dylan before he had a chance to make contact that morning.

1 and 2 could apply to either acquaintance or stranger grab. 3 seems to be most applicable to an acquaintance. 1 and 2 rely on incredible coincidence, 3 relies on someone having knowledge of what was going on in the house. (Ie Mark gone, Dylan home alone).

They are not perfect theories obviously. But they could apply and there's just as much evidence for a scenario like these IMO as one that as Mark killing his son. Since there's not really any evidence of anything at all.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM

I don't agree with that statement bolded above. There have been several possible scenarios presented that have Dylan outside the house with his backpack, not contacting friends, etc. and a witness is saying she saw him. I know people have chosen to not believe this, but I would not throw it away just yet.

Wasn't that witness proven to be unreliable? I would throw it away if the police have. At this point they want to bring this boy home alive. I am sure it was investigated properly.

I think this man knows more than he is saying. If dylan walked away, He would have called someone, contacted someone to let them know where he was and to come get him. I have lived through teens.

 

[ColdHands]

I disagree that MR is responsible for the bad behaviour, vicious rantings and hysteria of posters across numerous forums. Large scale deflection IMO. Surely he can't be a deflector and a deflectee at the same time? (Just made both those words up for effect)

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that MR (or any other parent or family member with a child missing for that matter) is taking prescribed medication for anxiety or depression, as some can have the effect of diffusing or damping down overt emotional reactions. I don't see him as robotic or emotionless, but I have thought him remarkably calm in public at least, in the face of all the hostility being directed his way.

I noted that he softened and seemed more vulnerable during the one on one backstage with DP. He was still under pressure then for sure, but he seemed relieved to be offstage and in that one to one situation. Well... that is right up until DP told him there was something very wrong with him.

:moo:

ETA: no idea how that thumbs up got up there ^^!

BBM

Great question. All this speech and behavior analysis is suspect IMO without knowing if he's on medication.

 

[Eileen730]

I think MR is using all this to his advantage.
this is exactly what he wants.
I dont think Elaine expected any less.
but she finally got to look him in the eye!

 

[Eileen730]

Wasn't that witness proven to be unreliable? I would throw it away if the police have. At this point they want to bring this boy home alive. I am sure it was investigated properly.

I think this man knows more than he is saying. If dylan walked away, He would have called someone, contacted someone to let them know where he was and to come get him. I have lived through teens.

People reported seeing him walking but all of those reports turned out to be unsubstantiated. (There is another older boy at the lake who looks similar to Dylan)

 

[Eileen730]

BBM

Great question. All this speech and behavior analysis is suspect IMO without knowing if he's on medication.

Jim Beam?

 

[ColdHands]

Wasn't that witness proven to be unreliable? I would throw it away if the police have. At this point they want to bring this boy home alive. I am sure it was investigated properly.

I think this man knows more than he is saying. If dylan walked away, He would have called someone, contacted someone to let them know where he was and to come get him. I have lived through teens.

BBM

Interesting language by Elaine on the show - "That was never confirmed." It's just interesting is all. I wonder if without more physical evidence it could be used by defense to raise reasonable doubt.

I know what LE has said, but there are a lot of inaccuracies everywhere. I'm not saying its true just that I see ambiguities.

 

[Eileen730]

Im very sure this expert asked him if he was on meds!

 

[catswhiskers]

One was that he realized when Mark went out the door that it wa serious and he was losing his ride. Grabbed everything, ran out the door too late. Stood there, dejected, someone came along, sees him, started a conversation, offers a ride, got him into a vehicle thinking he could call or text while on the road.

Another is that he got up, did his thing for a bit, delayed contacting friends for whatever reason (just didn't feel like it?) Stepped outside for a few minutes, chocking things out. Someone comes along, sees him, starts a conversation, offers a ride if he's really quick, Dylan grabs his stuff, gets into the vehicle thinking he'll call or text while they're on the road.

Third scenario had someone at the house. Either already there or comes shortly after Mark leaves. Enters the house, takes Dylan before he had a chance to make contact that morning.

1 and 2 could apply to either acquaintance or stranger grab. 3 seems to be most applicable to an acquaintance. 1 and 2 rely on incredible coincidence, 3 relies on someone having knowledge of what was going on in the house. (Ie Mark gone, Dylan home alone).

They are not perfect theories obviously. But they could apply and there's just as much evidence for a scenario like these IMO as one that as Mark killing his son. Since there's not really any evidence of anything at all.

And some of us have admitted that we have had phones that have at some point died, as in not able to be charged and ready for the trash. Dylan's phone was possibly getting on and used a lot, so I have wondered if this happened on Sunday evening, and Dylan placed it on charge before going to sleep. Maybe when he surfaced the next day, he found it still dead as a doornail just before any of Coldhands' scenarios above.

I also wondered if he may have woken quite late, wolfed down some cereal before heading outside with his backpack ready to roll. Maybe he was waiting in the driveway so his dad wouldn't even have to come in. Or perhaps he started off down the road thinking he would save even more time and catch his dad down at the intersection. Either way, along comes predator - either someone Dylan knows or a friendly stranger offering a ride.

:moo:

 

[Eileen730]

While I have no problems with Dylan not texting after 9:30 p.m. I do have a lot of problems with the idea that he would venture out on his own with ALL of his belongings and not contact anyone prior to that. He definitely would have had some communication with someone to meet up somewhere. If he was just outside wandering around (i.e. playing on rock walls, exploring the woods, etc...) he would NOT have brought ALL of his belongings.

If someone came into the house to abduct him, there would be some kind of a evidence of a struggle-he was almost 14 years old at the time! Also, he wouldn't take the time to grab all of his stuff. Would you think the abductor would have bothered to grab the backpack? Or allowed Dylan to grab it? That doesn't make any sense.

Why would he leave the house with all of his stuff without contacting anyone at all. He had plans, he had friends and he lived too far away from anyone to just get up and go without talking to them first.

Trust me, I've tried all of the mental calisthenics possible to try to make this work, but it just doesn't. The only logical explanation at this point would be that Mark did something to Dylan.

The only way a kid wouldnt text is if the phone was taken away!
JMO