CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[FruitTingles]

I just saw this, and it may be old news, but I hadn't seen the definitive and emphatic report about the dogs hitting on a scent. It seems they are convinced there is a person under the ice.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2947880.shtml?cat=500

"Sabre absolutely went crazy there, he had bark alerts in the water, he was scratching at the ice through the snow there," she said.

Kessinger says Sabre is specifically trained to ignore animal remains and to only look for human scents.

"There is something there, we can't be positive that it is Dylan but there is somebody there," said Kessinger.

anyone remember that Kate Bush song, Under Ice?
"It's wonderful
Everything, so white.
The river has frozen over
Not a soul on the ice,
Only me, skating fast.
I'm speeding past trees leaving
Little lines in the ice,
Cutting out little lines,
In the ice, splitting, splitting sound,
Silver heels spitting, spitting snow
There's something moving under
Under the ice,
Moving under ice - through water
Trying to get out of the cold water
"It's me"
Something, someone - help them
"It's me"."

youtube it. it's chilling. no pun intended.

Good post.

IMO, they need to act now. ASAP. There is someone under the ice. Whether it be Dylan, whoever it is, this person needs to be returned to their family.

 

[FruitTingles]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIHSUJr5jeM&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]Blurry acoustic - Puddle of Mudd - YouTube[/ame]


Dylan's Song

 

[catswhiskers]

Why would he stand outside in the driveway, waiting for his Dad, but not answer his Dads calls ? Dads said he tried the landline and the cell.

I have no idea - it was a theory that includes a dead or malfunctioning cell phone. I didn't realise MR had called the landline as well? I think there is a chance that Dylan could have slept quite late that morning, if he was indeed overtired from little to no sleep on the Saturday night before his day of travel to Durango on Sunday. In that case he could have slept through phone calls (my sons do all the time). He could have woken close to the time he was expecting MR and grabbed his gear ready to go.

FWIW When my boys have friends over during holidays, and have a big night on the xbox (as in up until the wee hours of the morning) - the following night they sleep like logs for about 12 hours or more. Just mentioning it because I have seen others dismiss this as though a 13 year old, being young and fit would not possibly sleep in either intentionally or accidentally, which in my experience is not true.

Someone pages back questioned the notion that Dylans phone was "old" and implied that it was a rumour that had grown legs and been perpetuated here - sorry, it was in this thread somewhere but I can't recall who the poster was. Anyway regarding this - IIRC Elaine mentioned that Dylan wanted a new smartphone, as he had "outgrown" his little flip phone. IMO if he outgrew it, it would be safe to guess that he had the phone for more than a few months or so. I'd certainly not be expecting my sons to outgrow their phones in short time frame at least. There was also her reference to it "smoking" when he was texting a lot, which I never took literally to believe there was any sign of actual smoke, but rather that it may have been hot to the touch from overuse or something similar.

:moo:

 

[asyousay]

It is all still conviently coincidental and then add in Mark's behaviour and it does not paint a pretty picture :cow:

So now we can add

Dylan never contacting anybody on that morning ( even tho he had more than one means to do so )

He slept in ( even tho he was the one that made the 6:30am plans)

He vanished with all his items on him ( and he was staying there for a week so it seems strange he would of taken socks , jeans or whatever was in the bag on his 'hike')

None of it makes sense still , it is a quite rural area and mark lived in the mountains and the odds of a perp just coming across Dylan when you take everything else into account is slim to none :cow:

Then we add in Mark's behaviour since Dylan vanished and something does not add up :moo:

 

[TGIRecovered]

I wonder what life is like for MR now that the show has aired and people from the studio audience are showing up in comments and on Facebook. I would be embarrassed to show my face in public!

Does anyone know how MR is spending his time? Does his job take him out of the area for days at a time or is he home every night? Has he been avoiding the public the last few days?





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[Money Girl]

Yet we have heard from a WS member who assisted in the searches for Dylan, that she had no reception standing directly in front of MRs house. IMO It would most certainly depend on your service provider, and I doubt that the huge rock face in MR's backyard would help matters either.
:moo:

I would take Ransom's word over anyone we have heard from on this case.

 

[Abstar80]

I have just had a thought, and I apologise if this has been discussed earlier.

I wonder if it is at all possible that MR palmed off DR to one of his trucker mates to take for a drive to put the wind up EH. I wonder if this was done so he could send the text messages about him being missing etc, and possibly this hit the news way faster than MR ever considered it would which put it out of his control. I wonder if the intention was the DR would be brought back to him or he would "find" him a day or two later, but because of all the attention the person that MR gave him to has freaked and couldn't bring him back.......I hope that makes sense!!

All of this is of course JMHO...

This is what I posted some 20 pages ago re my theory on Dylan being hid by MR....It was dismissed pretty darn quick but it is my opinion on what possibly could have transpired....

 

[catswhiskers]

It is all still conviently coincidental and then add in Mark's behaviour and it does not paint a pretty picture :cow:

So now we can add

Dylan never contacting anybody on that morning ( even tho he had more than one means to do so )

He slept in ( even tho he was the one that made the 6:30am plans)

He vanished with all his items on him ( and he was staying there for a week so it seems strange he would of taken socks , jeans or whatever was in the bag on his 'hike')

None of it makes sense still , it is a quite rural area and mark lived in the mountains and the odds of a perp just coming across Dylan when you take everything else into account is slim to none :cow:

Then we add in Mark's behaviour since Dylan vanished and something does not add up :moo:

These are all theories that have been discussed by some and dismissed by others many times over the past months. None of them are outrageously unbelievable or so 'way out there' as to be ridiculous IMO. They are theories, and opinions, which again ... are all we have in the absence of any other facts.

I don't believe anyone has ever implied he just took off for a hike. He could have taken his seemingly lightly packed backpack with him as he was planning to spend a night or perhaps more at his friends place.

I'm not sure where the notion comes from that predators will only ever be lurking in some pre-determined or predictable locations. If that is the case how do they not all end up being caught and whisked off our streets?

Coincidences happen all the time - it's only in retrospect that we recognise or label them as coincidences. One could surmise that a court ordered visit > Dylan by some accounts not keen to go > frowny face on text to mum > disappearing and/or being killed by father within 24 hours of arriving is also an absolutely awful and coincidental sequence of events - yet there seems to be no issue with believing it is at all possible.

Below is an unsolved case of a missing teen that happened when I was a child. It happened outside a rural town, on a track through a sugar cane farm, with her brothers following close behind and no other witnesses -

On that sunny March morning, the strawberry blonde with a talent for hockey, a love of cooking and a natural protectiveness for her younger brothers jumped on her bike and pedalled off to school.
It was the last time she was seen alive.
She rode down the sugarcane-fringed track that led from her family's Eimeo farm to a hall near the main road with her brothers David, 11, and Rex, 9, about to follow on their bikes.
Her brothers pedalled off 10 minutes later and were halfway down the track when they saw their sister's bike upturned, her school bag on the ground, her books scattered over the turf.
"And the wheel was still spinning," Marilyn's brother David Wallman, now 50, said.
"We called out to her. At first we thought she came off the bike."
Marilyn was never found.

Courier Mail, July 16 2011

I just needed to point out that this stuff just happens! I'm sure any of us really thought about it we could all think of more cases like this. Even if stats show it isn't very common, that's no reason to dismiss a stranger abduction as almost impossible in any given case.

:moo:

 

[asyousay]

I'm not sure where the notion comes from that predators will only ever be lurking in some pre-determined or predictable locations. If that is the case how do they not all end up being caught and whisked off our streets?

Coincidences happen all the time - it's only in retrospect that we recognise or label them as coincidences. One could surmise that a court ordered visit > Dylan by some accounts not keen to go > frowny face on text to mum > disappearing and/or being killed by father within 24 hours of arriving is also an absolutely awful and coincidental sequence of events - yet there seems to be no issue with believing it is at all possible.

Below is an unsolved case of a missing teen that happened when I was a child. It happened outside a rural town, on a track through a sugar cane farm, with her brothers following close behind and no other witnesses -



Courier Mail, July 16 2011

I just needed to point out that this stuff just happens! I'm sure any of us really thought about it we could all think of more cases like this. Even if stats show it isn't very common, that's no reason to dismiss a stranger abduction as almost impossible in any given case.

:moo:

From me it comes from the fact that if I remember correctly there has never been a case of a child being snatched by a perp in that area . Can you please offer me any statistics of a child being snatched by a pedophile in vallecito in the last 5/10 years ?

Then I add in the fact that Dylan was a visitor and did not live there full time and that would also make the odds less IMO

 

[Eileen730]

Why would Dylan wait in the cold for his dad as he dad could of been running late for all Dylan knew ?

It would not of taken that long for Dylan to grab his stuff and get in the car . No need to wait in the cold getting cold IMO

I agree! He wouldnt be waiting outside!
and why would he take All the belongings he had with him to go to his friends house!.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Why would he stand outside in the driveway, waiting for his Dad, but not answer his Dads calls ? Dads said he tried the landline and the cell.

Well, if he was outside on the driveway, he wouldn't hear the landline. And if his mobile had died or signal was poor, then I guess those calls wouldn't have got through either. Bad luck if it happened this way, but not impossible.

I have no mobile signal where I live, occasionally can send a text but can never receive calls. If my kids forget to put the landline phone back in the charger (as they frequently do after late night calls to friends), then I could be home all day but totally uncontactable. Not only that, my internet connection comes and goes too!

I guess I could disappear, and my phone/internet records would look equally as dodgy as Dylan's do. It would probably not look good for my other half, but it could happen - no access to phone, mobile or internet all at the same time.

 

[YidArmyRach]

These are all theories that have been discussed by some and dismissed by others many times over the past months. None of them are outrageously unbelievable or so 'way out there' as to be ridiculous IMO. They are theories, and opinions, which again ... are all we have in the absence of any other facts.

I don't believe anyone has ever implied he just took off for a hike. He could have taken his seemingly lightly packed backpack with him as he was planning to spend a night or perhaps more at his friends place.

I'm not sure where the notion comes from that predators will only ever be lurking in some pre-determined or predictable locations. If that is the case how do they not all end up being caught and whisked off our streets?

Coincidences happen all the time - it's only in retrospect that we recognise or label them as coincidences. One could surmise that a court ordered visit > Dylan by some accounts not keen to go > frowny face on text to mum > disappearing and/or being killed by father within 24 hours of arriving is also an absolutely awful and coincidental sequence of events - yet there seems to be no issue with believing it is at all possible.

Below is an unsolved case of a missing teen that happened when I was a child. It happened outside a rural town, on a track through a sugar cane farm, with her brothers following close behind and no other witnesses -



Courier Mail, July 16 2011

I just needed to point out that this stuff just happens! I'm sure any of us really thought about it we could all think of more cases like this. Even if stats show it isn't very common, that's no reason to dismiss a stranger abduction as almost impossible in any given case.

:moo:

I highlighted a post a couple of threads back from Azgrandama, where she said that Dylan was "just a little boy who wanted to visit his dad", so I'm still not convinced that he was there under duress. Especially as staying with MR meant he got to see his friends.

Frowny text could have meant a number of things, for example fed up after the delay or annoyed that mum wants him to check in (he probably thinks he's old enough to look after himself)

 

[YidArmyRach]

I agree! He wouldnt be waiting outside!
and why would he take All the belongings he had with him to go to his friends house!.

Really? How do you know that? We're all just guessing here. I don't think any of us can state, factually like that, what Dylan did or didn't do. We can surmise, thats all.

FWIW, I don't find it unbelievable that a kid waiting for a lift would wait outside, so he's ready to go the minute the car turns up.

 

[catswhiskers]

From me it comes from the fact that if I remember correctly there has never been a case of a child being snatched by a perp in that area . Can you please offer me any statistics of a child being snatched by a pedophile in vallecito in the last 5/10 years ?

Then I add in the fact that Dylan was a visitor and did not live there full time and that would also make the odds less IMO

So if a child has never been abducted in Vallecito before it isn't a possibility? It could never happen ever? I don't understand that logic at all. I wonder if LE is working on that premise? IMO a predator isn't going to pause and take note of whether or not a prospective victim is a local, occasional visitor or a one off day tripper either.
:moo:

 

[YidArmyRach]

So if a child has never been abducted in Vallecito before it isn't a possibility? It could never happen ever? I don't understand that logic at all. I wonder if LE is working on that premise? IMO a predator isn't going to pause and take note of whether or not a prospective victim is a local, occasional visitor or a one off day tripper either.
:moo:

Agree. There is always a first time for everything.

I live near a little town called Soham in the UK. Its very quiet, rural and nothing ever happens there. 99.9% of the UK population had probably never heard of it until 10 yeas ago. You'd never think a child would be in any danger there ........

However, 2 little girls were horrifically murdered there 10 years ago, by their school caretaker. It shocked not only the community, but the country as it was seen as one of those places where "it couldn't possibly happen here".

This was a man they trusted, a man the community would never have suspected could be a danger to children, and a man one of the mothers worked with.

Sadly, nowhere is ever 100% safe. Just sometimes you can be in the wrong place at the wrong time, fate I guess.

 

[catswhiskers]

I highlighted a post a couple of threads back from Azgrandama, where she said that Dylan was "just a little boy who wanted to visit his dad", so I'm still not convinced that he was there under duress. Especially as staying with MR meant he got to see his friends.

Frowny text could have meant a number of things, for example fed up after the delay or annoyed that mum wants him to check in (he probably thinks he's old enough to look after himself)

Oh I agree with you on both points. But others have cited that chain of events I listed as probable. I was trying to say that if true, it would be IMO be a series of coincidences as well.

Hmm I don't think I worded that very well sorry - hope you got my meaning Yid. Am wondering what the point of continuing to post is right about now - if only speculation about all things MR and expressions of dislike or disgust about him are left to discuss or compare notes about.

:moo:

 

[catswhiskers]

Agree. There is always a first time for everything.

I live near a little town called Soham in the UK. Its very quiet, rural and nothing ever happens there. 99.9% of the UK population had probably never heard of it until 10 yeas ago. You'd never think a child would be in any danger there ........

However, 2 little girls were horrifically murdered there 10 years ago, by their school caretaker. It shocked not only the community, but the country as it was seen as one of those places where "it couldn't possibly happen here".

This was a man they trusted, a man the community would never have suspected could be a danger to children, and a man one of the mothers worked with.

Sadly, nowhere is ever 100% safe. Just sometimes you can be in the wrong place at the wrong time, fate I guess.

Oh I remember reading about this - he was there helping to search initially wasn't he?

 

[SCHMAE]

Hope for Dylan Redwine - YouTube

Run fast

 

[FruitTingles]

i would take ransom's word over anyone we have heard from on this case.

ditto !

 

[SCHMAE]

I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT!! I swear, whenever I see some of these folks talking about their "dreams" and things like that, followed by several other people telling them to call the tip line, I have to cringe....:what:

Also I bet a lot of tips are people who never heard of Dylan until the dp show and are now calling in with stuff like " check his cell phone logs'' " check for rsos' in the area" and somewhat basic type of ' tips' . But people are alert and aware and calling and that was NOT the case last week, so it's good enough right?