CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #41

[cluciano63]

I do not even care about the LD test...his words, his whole being was just "off" for an innocent father of a child missing for months. DP was right on, with what he concluded about MR. Something very wrong with that man, if he innocent.

 

[asyousay]

Got to love those flip phones.

Yep and the battery on them is amazing . With my iPhone 5 I have to charge it every day as its got a very bad battery life if I play games or use the Internet on it .

 

[Kamille]

Awwww...hugs to your little guy! Actually, I took the time into consideration when I posted about her birthday...it's actually March 4th! But one of my grandson's birthday is Mar 3rd...Happy Birthday Ryan!

OT, but people here probably think I'm full of BS if they are really following my posts...one minute I'm referring to an adult grandson and the next minute I'm talking about my 16 yr old daughter, so just to clarify (because it is my "story", lol) I have (had) 5 children.
I raised 4 children together with my first husband. We divorced and life goes on. The children grew up, youngest at home was 17 and I was already a grandmother 4x over when I found myself "expecting" at the ripe old age of 42. (God does have a sense of humor!). I now have 13 grandchildren. I was pregnant the same time as my oldest 2 daughters and we had 3 babies between us, within 5 months....less than a year later 2 more grandchildren arrived. So my youngest daughter pretty much grew up with my grandchildren as playmates, even though she is technically their auntie. And my oldest grandson has been living with me for about a year. He's 22.
And that is my story!

And what an amazing story it is!! You've been blessed.

 

[Ghostwheel]

So, back on topic. The best case scenario here would be that Mark or Elaine actually has Dylan sequestered somewhere. Instead of thinking of how it couldn't happen, can anyone think of a way it COULD happen. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

"I've got a theory, that it's a demon,
A dancing demon... no, something isn't right there."~Buffy Musical

 

[asyousay]

So, back on topic. The best case scenario here would be that Mark or Elaine actually has Dylan sequestered somewhere. Instead of thinking of how it couldn't happen, can anyone think of a way it COULD happen. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

"I've got a theory, that it's a demon,
A dancing demon... no, something isn't right there."~Buffy Musical

I don't believe for a second that Elaine is involved . I think Mark could of done it and then I think of the logistics of it all and I think it's nearly impossible . Unless he has dirt on somebody and is using that as leverage :cow:

From what I have seen Mark simply would not have friends who would take such a risk on his behalf :cow:

 

[cluciano63]

So, back on topic. The best case scenario here would be that Mark or Elaine actually has Dylan sequestered somewhere. Instead of thinking of how it couldn't happen, can anyone think of a way it COULD happen. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

"I've got a theory, that it's a demon,
A dancing demon... no, something isn't right there."~Buffy Musical

I have been asking for a way this could really work for so long a time, for three months now. Have not seen any kind of explanation that I can buy into, even setting aside them"why" and the "then what" as far as getting him back. I have never heard of a case where a parent hid a child and did not also go missing. And if MR intended to go be with Dylan, Monday was the perfect time, a several day head start before his mom expected to see him. So why report him missing that day?

 

[Seajay]

I probably would have walked out after about 15 minutes, but I'm NOT very passive aggressive! If MR is as hot tempered and violent as people say, I think that may be part of why his emotions seemed so flat on there. It must have been taking every ounce of strength he had to avoid flying off the handle completely and becoming (in front of millions of people) exactly what he has been accused of for the past few months, or maybe the bast 50+ years... MOO

I know for me, as a woman, had I gone on a show thinking we were going to talk about my missing child and about getting the word out and I got there and it was like an intervention, I'd be livid. As soon as I saw what they were doing, I'm have gotten up and left. I would have felt I was gotten there under false pretenses. I don't think he expected to be in the hotseat when he got there. I think he was stunned by that turn of events. I think he honestly thought he was there to help get the word out that Dylan was missing. Maybe he thought he was telling little antecdotal stories about him, his likes, dislikes. I don't think he expected what was awaiting him. And I know for SURE I would have gotten up and walked out as soon as I realized what it was going to be. JMO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I don't believe for a second that Elaine is involved . I think Mark could of done it and then I think of the logistics of it all and I think it's nearly impossible . Unless he has dirt on somebody and is using that as leverage :cow:

From what I have seen Mark simply would not have friends who would take such a risk on his behalf :cow:

BBM: I don't either, I just thought I should be fair.

 

[FruitTingles]

I'm starting to think that it may not be a good idea to get involved in this case. First Dylan goes missing, then the PI investigating his disappearance seems to have gone missing, and now I keep hearing that nobody has seen MR since DP's show. I think I'll just keep my opinions to myself! :shush:

:floorlaugh:
Behind as usual but thanks for the laugh Confusion !
Has been a tough day so I needed that

 

[asyousay]

I know for me, as a woman, had I gone on a show thinking we were going to talk about my missing child and about getting the word out and I got there and it was like an intervention, I'd be livid. As soon as I saw what they were doing, I'm have gotten up and left. I would have felt I was gotten there under false pretenses. I don't think he expected to be in the hotseat when he got there. I think he was stunned by that turn of events. I think he honestly thought he was there to help get the word out that Dylan was missing. Maybe he thought he was telling little antecdotal stories about him, his likes, dislikes. I don't think he expected what was awaiting him. And I know for SURE I would have gotten up and walked out as soon as I realized what it was going to be. JMO.

I don't think he thought that for a second . A lot of posters on here even said he would be questioned and it would be Cory , Elaine and then Mark on the other side .

This show went exactly the way a lot of people suspected it would .

Even Mark can't have been that stupid to think his story of events would not be ripped apart and analyzed on air .

IMO :cow: :moo:


The only thing I was surprised about was that Mark cleaned up and he came off a lot worse than even I thought he would . He put in a really bad performance if innocent and set the case back even more if so :cow:

 

[FruitTingles]

Goodnight all Marly will be along shortly I'm sure. :grouphug:

Hi Marly :seeya:

 

[asyousay]

Just watching the end of part 2 of Dr Phil and no words for Mark at this stage, Wow!!

 

[Seajay]

I can understand if he was stressed after the show. It started out OK, but after Mark started talking in (what I consider) circles, it did go south. IMO,if he didn't want to take the test, he shouldn't have taken the test, but he should have just said so. The words "I don't think I can take the polygraph under these conditions." aren't so hard to say, and they would be understandable. Especially if he were to say, "Could I come back in a week by myself to take the test?"

For myself, I could not imagine NOT taking the test. And I am a person who failed the question "Is your name....?" and it WAS my name--they had given me five baseline question, and that one was supposed to be the sixth and the indicator jumped all over the place. I had to come back the next day, when I passed knowing my name. I passed the rest, too, BTW.

I have to agree, he should have just said he wasn't going to take it instead of saying he would, then backing out. That's what my husband says anyway, that that was his big mistake, he shouldn't have taken the test and should never have said he would.

 

[catswhiskers]

With regards to the phone, since Dylan's last "electronic communication" was at 9:37pm, and if we are to consider that perhaps it was the phone, we don't know what that text was. We don't know if he was in the middle of a conversation when communication stopped with him. And if he was, and the phone did die, MR, according to his own story, was still up for an hour after that. If the phone died, Dylan would have told him about it. If it was just the battery, Dylan could have plugged it in and continued on.

Dylan's texting habits would suggest that if he was still up at 10:30pm, as per MR, he would still be texting with his friends past 9:37pm. He had a lot of friends, not just in Bayfield. And every one of them was on holiday for the week.

MOO

I'm sure Dylan would have been messaging other friends as well throughout the day - not just R. If that's the case, I am guessing either their parents have refused to allow that information to be published in the media to protect their children, or LE is keeping that info to themselves.
:moo:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I guess the point is that if he likes that show it is on MTV. He lists two other shows on his FB from MTV. The other three shows are on network tv. There is no indication that he liked or watched Nickelodeon. Although back when he was younger he might have.

I really believe that most of what MR described about Dylan was from a long time ago. I think even ER is trying to elude to this when she says that MR did not really know him.

I'd still like to know, with the exception of the Labour Day weekend, when was the last time Dylan stayed with MR overnight at the home in Vallecito.

I don't think MR really knew Dylan. And his stories seem to reflect that.

MOO

I think its more a case of he didn't realise that Dylan was not a little boy any more, he'd grown into a young teen who had a mind of his own and wasn't afraid to speak it.

My dad has a mobile phone that is at least 10 years old . My brother had it , I had it and my dad has now had it about 6 years . It's a old Samsung flip phone and it still works . So some phones can just go on and on.

I know two people with phones that are quite a few years old, neither have colour screens, one is a nokia 3310 and the other a heavily used motorola flip phone

both have much better battery power than my smart phone

So, back on topic. The best case scenario here would be that Mark or Elaine actually has Dylan sequestered somewhere. Instead of thinking of how it couldn't happen, can anyone think of a way it COULD happen. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

"I've got a theory, that it's a demon,
A dancing demon... no, something isn't right there."~Buffy Musical

Hypothetically, we know MR worked out of state, we have no idea of who he could have come into contact with that would help him out. Maybe a woman who wanted his attention, maybe a man who has contacts in some sort of group like a single fathers group or an anger management group to an underground network.

Do I think it's possible yes, do I think it's likely no.

 

[mmmagique]

Were they not in the Little mermaid?

:what: Eileen...I don't think we're allowed to sleuth public figures. Even if they are movie stars...

 

[pattywack]

I asked a couple of men what they thought and they said they wouldn't have taken the lie detector test either. They said they felt he had been ganged up on by Elaine, Cory and even Dr. Phil and that if they had been Mark, they would have shut down and not done anything Dr. Phil wanted them to do. I guess I just know passive aggressive men!!!

IMO.....MR set the stage for himself as soon as he answered the first question asked of him.His answer..."well, I used to know this woman" ....WTH....She is the mother of the son they are both looking for.He made the show about himself with his continual evasive answers to every question,by changing his story several times,and the lie detector thing.....I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.

 

[Confusion]

I have to agree, he should have just said he wasn't going to take it instead of saying he would, then backing out. That's what my husband says anyway, that that was his big mistake, he shouldn't have taken the test and should never have said he would.

I don't think it was a "mistake", I think he knew he should refuse. He came across to me as someone who is used to being told what to do. I believe he would have taken the test if he hadn't been told that they couldn't do it because he said he didn't feel up to it. I don't believe he wanted to do it, but he acted like he didn't think he had any choice. Before the show, I thought it was strange that "coward" was the insult most often chosen for him considering the reputation he's had for being violent. After seeing the show, I'm not so sure that it isn't the perfect one. It has to be hard to be a grown man who can be beaten unconscious by a 16 year old boy, and who cringes when someone with any kind of power (or even perceived power) chastises you.

MOO as usual.

 

[catswhiskers]

Does anyone know anything about Johnny Gosch? He was 12 when he was abducted in Iowa in 1982. Right back in the early days of Dylan's disappearance, there was a post on FMDR (I think this was even before we had the green light to discuss posts from the official page) from someone who was wishing them well, who went on to say they had some interesting articles about missing children on their own page. I followed the link and then ended up following more and more links to articles and clips all over the internet - but the original article was discussing the Johnny Gosch case, and other cases of abducted boys believed to have been kidnapped by a paedophile ring, or those involved with human trafficking. The article had been prompted by Dylan's disappearance as there had also been another boy abducted from a nearby Colorado town, plus a Colorado ranch involved where boys had apparently been held at some point.

Anyhow it was all very interesting reading, but I did stop following the links once they started going off on tangents about illuminati kidnappings/political involvement etc. - but the original stories were so sad, and to me highlighted that these types of teen abductions are certainly not unheard of. I think there are a lot of cases which we never hear about because the victims are sometimes children who were already "at risk" - possibly homeless, so they are never reported as missing. One of the other things that came to light in the articles I read was how often those predators actually used another teenager to do the initial luring of the victim.

This kind of scenario has been in the back of my mind anyway, as I have read about Dylan - just as a possibility. All very creepy and sad

 

[catswhiskers]

IMO.....MR set the stage for himself as soon as he answered the first question asked of him.His answer..."well, I used to know this woman" ....WTH....She is the mother of the son they are both looking for.He made the show about himself with his continual evasive answers to every question,by changing his story several times,and the lie detector thing.....I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.

Didn't Dr Phil begin that dialogue by asking him something like "I believe you know this woman??" (paraphrasing as I'm not going back to search for the exact wording) I understand why MR's every word is picked apart, but I do think we have to also look at the questions he is being asked.
:moo: