CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #41

[deoneta]

In a way, and this is a bit out there, but in a way, MR reminds me a bit of Drew Peterson. Its odd.

Salem

Not out there to me. Although MR often tries for sympathy, I think it's a bit of underlying cockiness that's just unseemly. And maybe an inflated belief in his ability to charm. It may be Drew/Lite, but definitely there. All MOO

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

everyone has their soft spot. when MR was talked to about being helped if he flew into a rage and hurt DR and now he's dead, MR was ready to bawl. I really think he can be gotten to, in that method.

It appears to me (JMO) that MR neared tears when he realized that it was possible at some point that he might have to accept accountability. FWIW, I was impressed with DP. He laid it on the line. Paraphrased: If you were involved you will be caught. I will help you right now, but it has to be now. I think MR weighed that for a moment, but placed his bet on being able to not be caught vs. accepting responsibility and possibly serving less time.

The concept of accepting any responsibility was the overwhelming thing.
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(IMO. Admittedly being an armchair psychologist here.)

 

[deoneta]

Part 2 Phil at 32:40 when MR says he didn't have half a big bottle, only half a small bottle, he raises his hands to indicate a GIANT bottle of jim bean. I mean it's way bigger than a FIFTH which is what is the normal ' bottle size'. It's just funny how he exaggerated the size of the imaginary bottle that he did NOT drink half of . It's at least twice as big as a fifth ! Lame !

Oops ETA , then when he indicates with his hands the small bottle ' like a pint size bottle' his hands are showing a much smaller than pint size bottle.......imho.

That's because in the first instance, he was using the Jim Beam as an excuse to wiggle out of the LDT. In the second instance, he's free of the LDT threat and back to minimizing and trying to save face. All MOO

 

[TxLady2]

I'm split between premeditated violence and spontaneous violence. I wouldn't call it an accident. It's not an accident when child abuse or assault ends in death, IMO. An accident is tripping over a shoelace while running down stairs, for example. And nothing in Mark's actions and demeanor says innocent accident to me.

ETA: I leave about .1% for Mark hiding Dylan. I can understand that initial thought, given everything, but three months later with Mark's suspicious behavior, I'd be shocked if this turns out to be the case.

Moo

LE calls it a fatal accident when a drunk driver hits someone and kills them. They didn't intend to kill anybody, but it happened, and they still have to take the blame. So, let's say something happened to Dylan but he didn't intend to kill him, it would still be an accident in the eyes of the law.
For example, Dylan smarted off at him, they got into an argument and Dylan started hitting at him and he shoved him away. Dylan lost his balance and fell against something and hit his head and died. That's an accidental death.
All that means is that he indirectly caused his death, but it was not intentional, as in premeditated.
Accidents can range from very minor to fatal, but they are still called accidents.

 

[Ronald99]

Question: Wasn't reported, way back when, that Dylan took a fly fishing class? If so, why does ER say Dylan didn't even know how to thread his own fishing line? That seems odd to me.

I remember when my son was in Scouts. There were many things I didn't know that he knew how to do. I was always a bit surprised when something happened and it was my son who stepped up to take care of it -- kwim? I was - hey! I didn't know you could do that....

Salem

Salem I never knew about Dylan taking a class about fly fishing ?

And I was wondering if Dylan was ever involved in youth activites, like the cub scouts, Boy Scouts ?

And MR talking about how Dylan was upset about not being able to play football at his new school seemed like old news if anything, not a recent story on the drive home from McDonalds.

Below is something I've been thinking about lately.

Elaine moved to Colorado Springs before Football season at Dylan's new School, and MR had Dylan around September for a visit if I'm remembering correctly __ so why would Dylan be all upset about not making the Football team and playing, and months later its bothering him ?

MR spoke about the above durning the uncut interview at his Residence.

 

[Dee10]

IMHO - Either way ER approaches the situation she will be manipulated. MR enjoys attention whether it is positive or negative. I think setting boundaries and ignoring MR is the best thing ER can do for Dylan. Stop allowing MR to control the case is the best thing anyone could do for Dylan. I'm sure this is much easier said than done.

I agree except, the only reason it seems MR is granting interviews is after he receives bad press from ER or CR like the demonstration. The more he talks the better it is for building a case (layer by layer) as he changes stories IMO.

 

[Seek&Find]

LE calls it a fatal accident when a drunk driver hits someone and kills them. They didn't intend to kill anybody, but it happened, and they still have to take the blame. So, let's say something happened to Dylan but he didn't intend to kill him, it would still be an accident in the eyes of the law.
For example, Dylan smarted off at him, they got into an argument and Dylan started hitting at him and he shoved him away. Dylan lost his balance and fell against something and hit his head and died. That's an accidental death.
All that means is that he indirectly caused his death, but it was not intentional, as in premeditated.
Accidents can range from very minor to fatal, but they are still called accidents.

Drunk drivers are not charged with "fatal accident": they can be charged with manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, or murder.

If Mark laid his hands on Dylan, it could constitute battery, or assault, child abuse, etc. There's zero reason for Mark to hide Dylan and not call 911 if what happened was innocent, IMO.

As my post said, I'm calling it spontaneous violence. It's one of my theories. Others can refer to it as they choose. I also said there's nothing in Mark's demeanor or behavior that'd indicate an innocent accident, IMO.

Moo

 

[ColdHands]

I think Mark's polygraph is a deadend.

I think LE either 1) got what they needed from him the first time or 2) realize the factors that created the inconclusive/indeterminate results cannot or will not change.

I think there are a lot of people trying to get Mark to change into something he has shown that he is not.

I think everyone needs to just move past him. There isn't anything short of a confession that he could offer up that would help find Dylan at this point. He's answered everything to the extent that he is able or willing.

The focus should be, IMO, on finding Dylan's location by analyzing ALL possibilities and eliminating the ones that can be eliminated. Which we probably can't do without access to LE's data.

 

[Seek&Find]

Just saw the stickied post on FMDR regarding Dylan Redwine News. Looks like Dylan's family is now going to pursue legal action, just as the Ridgeways had to. How sad that they have to deal with that while Dylan's missing and Oma's sick. I hope an attorney donates their services, since the family's also researching costs and logistics for a dive team.

Moo

 

[deoneta]

LE calls it a fatal accident when a drunk driver hits someone and kills them. They didn't intend to kill anybody, but it happened, and they still have to take the blame. So, let's say something happened to Dylan but he didn't intend to kill him, it would still be an accident in the eyes of the law.
For example, Dylan smarted off at him, they got into an argument and Dylan started hitting at him and he shoved him away. Dylan lost his balance and fell against something and hit his head and died. That's an accidental death.
All that means is that he indirectly caused his death, but it was not intentional, as in premeditated.
Accidents can range from very minor to fatal, but they are still called accidents.

I understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time seeing it that way. I see death by felony child abuse as a consequence, perhaps unforeseen, but not an accident. All MOO

 

[asyousay]

Just saw the stickied post on FMDR regarding Dylan Redwine News. Looks like Dylan's family is now going to pursue legal action, just as the Ridgeways had to. How sad that they have to deal with that while Dylan's missing and Oma's sick. I hope an attorney donates their services, since the family's also researching costs and logistics for a dive team.

Moo

I hope i can mention this as i do find it strange as Cory was posting on that page for awhile. So why was he posting personal info on it if it was not a approved page?!

 

[deoneta]

I hope i can mention this as i do find it strange as Cory was posting on that page for awhile. So why was he posting personal info on it if it was not a approved page?!

I believe there was some talk of fund raising irregularities as there was with the Ridgeway case all of which was referenced in a MSM article which I will try to find. When DRN reappeared, there was a decidedly different slant.

 

[sarx]

Just saw the stickied post on FMDR regarding Dylan Redwine News. Looks like Dylan's family is now going to pursue legal action, just as the Ridgeways had to. How sad that they have to deal with that while Dylan's missing and Oma's sick. I hope an attorney donates their services, since the family's also researching costs and logistics for a dive team.

Moo

Against whom?

 

[missrugby]

Against whom?

Initials KB. This woman is a lunatic and preys on missing children's families for her own personal gain.

 

[deoneta]

I think Mark's polygraph is a deadend.

I think LE either 1) got what they needed from him the first time or 2) realize the factors that created the inconclusive/indeterminate results cannot or will not change.

I think there are a lot of people trying to get Mark to change into something he has shown that he is not.

I think everyone needs to just move past him. There isn't anything short of a confession that he could offer up that would help find Dylan at this point. He's answered everything to the extent that he is able or willing.

The focus should be, IMO, on finding Dylan's location by analyzing ALL possibilities and eliminating the ones that can be eliminated. Which we probably can't do without access to LE's data.

IF MR is involved, putting pressure on him may be the best hope for a recovery. There is so much rugged terrain, forests and water ways. I keep thinking a fisherman, hunter or hiker might make a discovery, but there is so much undeveloped land in the area. Whether by organized search or an accidental find, a recovery could be a long time coming. All MOO

 

[sarx]

Initials KB. This woman is a lunatic and preys on missing children's families for her own personal gain.

Ahhh, thank you!

 

[Kamille]

This always bugged me and one reason why i do not rule out per-meditated because Dylan spening the night made so much more sense for Mark due to the fact he had to leave early to sort out money issues with work. So it would of been so much quicker without Dylan around who from all accounts hated mornings . So you let him spend the night and swing back in the afternoon and pick him up and Mark knew his friends were important to him so refusing seems strange :cow:

Well I don't think MR was in the best of moods when he picked Dylan up at the airport. Nor by the looks of things can we count on him being 100 percent sober. Considering what had been going on in the previous months, the fact that for whatever reason Dylan was a day late, then that plane was also late, I would imagine if Dylan had asked him first thing after getting picked up to go spend the night at a friends house, MR would not be even thinking about how that would actually be more convenient for him in the long run. I would imagine a request like that would have set him right off. Especially if he just said firmly..ummm yeah..that's not gonna happen...and Dylan pressed him about it.

MR appears to like inflicting emotional pain on others. The refusal to take him to his friends house that evening, even knowing that Dylan had already planned it with his friend and it was not Dylan's fault about the plane problems and that he got there a day late, was only to inflict pain on Dylan IMO. Because MR was upset. At ER, at everything. And Dylan, as an extension of ER and all his current problems, was likely his target, because he was the first person to have to deal with MR after everything that had gone down since September. And I don't imagine any exchange between the two of them was very friendly after he squashed Dylan's plans with his friends.

MR was going to make sure that things on this visit went his way. No matter how stupid his decisions were. And he wasn't going to take any backtalk from his youngest son. He was going to demand the respect he felt he deserved.

MOO

 

[SuziQ]

LE calls it a fatal accident when a drunk driver hits someone and kills them. They didn't intend to kill anybody, but it happened, and they still have to take the blame. So, let's say something happened to Dylan but he didn't intend to kill him, it would still be an accident in the eyes of the law.
For example, Dylan smarted off at him, they got into an argument and Dylan started hitting at him and he shoved him away. Dylan lost his balance and fell against something and hit his head and died. That's an accidental death.
All that means is that he indirectly caused his death, but it was not intentional, as in premeditated.
Accidents can range from very minor to fatal, but they are still called accidents.

BBM. I wonder if LE has had this kind of conversation with MR? I've seen Homicide Detectives put this out to suspects with great success to get a confession. "We know it was an accident and you didn't mean it." type thing. However, in many states a situation like this qualifies for a felony murder charge. And then we see alot of juries that vote for manslaughter with time served.

 

[Allusonz]

Against whom?

sarx this is a very unusual situation in a number of ways.

The Official page is asking that all tips be sent to the admins inbox.

If you wish to discuss the case, you were directed first to another FB page, and now you are being directed to yet another FB page which the family posts on.

It is all here.

http://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

 

[absentia]

I understand what you're saying, but I have a hard time seeing it that way. I see death by felony child abuse as a consequence, perhaps unforeseen, but not an accident. All MOO

I think I've seen it called gross negligence, or child neglect leading to or causing the death of a child. When there's child abuse that causes death, it sounds gentler and I don't think it should.