CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Salem]

Hey Everybody - we are not going to be bringing the facebook war here, okay. Let's let them deal with that however they feel is best. It is sad that they even have to deal with that on top of everything else. We can help best by staying focused on Dylan.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[cluciano63]

I can't bring myself to believe he is alive being held by a SO, partly because I do not think that is the case, and partly because I cannot wish that on anyone. If he is, there is no guarantee he would remain alive, or ever be located. Most likely he would eventually be killed. And not everyone can go on to live a "normal" life even if eventually rescued from such an ordeal. If a SO abducted Dylan, I doubt he was alive for long. A fourteen-year old boy over 100 pounds is not going to be easy to control and contain, it would be a daily struggle for the perp, IMO, and probably end in (more) violence.

Gosh, I wish I could find a way to believe MR has him, but I felt like since he did not "cave" before his performance on that show, if only to avoid doing it, or when DP seemed to almost have him, that he really is not in a position to bring him back safely. Either he is innocent, or Dylan is not alive.

JMO obviously

 

[Angelonline]

Do you have an opinion why Mark was never prosecuted for kidnapping or domestic violence?

BBM
Personally, I think DV is rarely prosecuted.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I can't bring myself to believe he is alive being held by a SO, partly because I do not think that is the case, and partly because I cannot wish that on anyone. If he is, there is no guarantee he would remain alive, or ever be located. Most likely he would eventually be killed. And not everyone can go on to live a "normal" life even if eventually rescued from such an ordeal. If a SO abducted Dylan, I doubt he was alive for long. A fourteen-year old boy over 100 pounds is not going to be easy to control and contain, it would be a daily struggle for the perp, IMO, and probably end in (more) violence.

Gosh, I wish I could find a way to believe MR has him, but I felt like since he did not "cave" before his performance on that show, if only to avoid doing it, or when DP seemed to almost have him, that he really is not in a position to bring him back safely. Either he is innocent, or Dylan is not alive.

JMO obviously

Even sadder to think if MR actually believes a SO has possession of Dylan that he, himself has shown NO apparent urgency. It's all been a process of "wait" for him to make himself available. If MR actually believes Dylan is with a perp, he obviously remains clueless about what the heck that means...and I don't believe even he is that naive'.

 

[Seajay]

Wonder how the search for Dylan is going. I honestly pray they don't find him this way. IMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

BBM
Personally, I think DV is rarely prosecuted.

There has been some awareness in that act, but nothing like it needs to be. I've also seen a lot of women who pull that card and make false accusations...which serves to further cloud the process for people who need the services. In the county I recently worked, they shut down their DV shelters and the courts stopped giving out R/O's due to that alone. We requested State intervention. A lot of people call CPS to allege abuse and/or DV thinking we will remove the children and settle custody issues. We do not have that power, but you sometimes you can't fix stupid. It turned out that we couldn't even advocate for clients who had reason to obtain R/O's because the judge just wasn't buying it. :banghead:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM
Personally, I think DV is rarely prosecuted.

Sadly, I believe your right. How about domestic kidnapping? Is that rarely prosecuted also? I'm not sure of the facts on that.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I can't bring myself to believe he is alive being held by a SO, partly because I do not think that is the case, and partly because I cannot wish that on anyone. If he is, there is no guarantee he would remain alive, or ever be located. Most likely he would eventually be killed. And not everyone can go on to live a "normal" life even if eventually rescued from such an ordeal. If a SO abducted Dylan, I doubt he was alive for long. A fourteen-year old boy over 100 pounds is not going to be easy to control and contain, it would be a daily struggle for the perp, IMO, and probably end in (more) violence.

Gosh, I wish I could find a way to believe MR has him, but I felt like since he did not "cave" before his performance on that show, if only to avoid doing it, or when DP seemed to almost have him, that he really is not in a position to bring him back safely. Either he is innocent, or Dylan is not alive.

JMO obviously

BBM - I think that is why Elaine wanted to speak with him personally. There wasn't any question in her mind (or at least not much) that MR was involved. She wasn't there to ask details. She wanted to ask 'Where is he" which translated to "Do you have him hidden?" She wanted to ask, "Did you hurt him?" which translated to "Is he alive." She wanted to judge is reaction. And from her face at the end of the second episode. She got her answer. Not an answer that could hold up in a court of law. An answer only a person who knew another person intimately, could know. I just wanted somebody to reach out and hold her. She had to deal with that alone. Stay strong in front of viewers. It was crushing to see.

 

[cluciano63]

Wonder how the search for Dylan is going. I honestly pray they don't find him this way. IMO

I am sure it is over and since nothing came out, nothing was found, IMO. Media would have taken note of any actual crime scene activity.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Wonder how the search for Dylan is going. I honestly pray they don't find him this way. IMO

I think it's so strange that we have heard nothing more about the supposed search going on this weekend at the lake by LE. They said they were just going to double check the area already searched. Maybe they just did a drive by? Who knows??

 

[Angelonline]

Sadly, I believe your right. How about domestic kidnapping? Is that rarely prosecuted also? I'm not sure of the facts on that.

I have no idea on that one. But I do personally (not pertaining to this case) know of many instances of DV that was never reported, let alone prosecuted.

 

[Seajay]

It is according to what MR said yes ! That is if you want to take his word as gospel and assume that he has a great grasp on when someone has had too much to drink !

Maybe he does. Maybe it was HER turn to be the drunk and have the drinking issues and he had to be the adult. It's possible when there are two drinkers in the family.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I have no idea on that one. But I do personally (not pertaining to this case) know of many instances of DV that was never reported, let alone prosecuted.

I know what you mean. And in this case I'm not sure that any kidnappings actually occurred. I think that the term was used to make a minor custody dispute look like a major crime. My point is that if a major crime like kidnapping did occurred, it's a shame that it wasn't prosecuted. MOO.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I know what you mean. And in this case I'm not sure that any kidnappings actually occurred. I think that the term was used to make a minor custody dispute look like a major crime. My point is that if a major crime like kidnapping did occurred, it's a shame that it wasn't prosecuted. MOO.

In the first instance, it would have been considered <modsnip>. There is paperwork to confirm and we've all seen that. The problem is, it was a long time ago and the courts did not look at things like that like they do today. The laws have been changed, but the history between MR and his first wife would not be a consideration for the courts when they determined his rights to custody/visitation with his 2nd wife and their children. Not a perfect system, but we have to live with that.

ETA: If the first case wasn't parental kidnapping, it would at least be considered custodial interference...as it would have been for CR and Dylan, unless there was no pending divorce or custody agreement. It is my opinion, but I don't believe anything had been filed with the courts prior to MR taking the boys. It doesn't excuse his actions, IMO, but it should explain how he got away with it and that's the issue folks seem to have.

 

[song22]

Bringing this from the last page.

Why did CR say that MR has never harmed him or Dylan?? According to CR, MR never laid a hand on them. How do we get to MR being mad at Dylan that night and smacking him and killing him??? How? When during these boys entire lives, he never harmed either one of them???

Where does this come from? I never heard Cory say that. link?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In the first instance, it would have been considered <modsnip>. There is paperwork to confirm and we've all seen that. The problem is, it was a long time ago and the courts did not look at things like that like they do today. The laws have been changed, but the history between MR and his first wife would not be a consideration for the courts when they determined his rights to custody/visitation with his 2nd wife and their children. Not a perfect system, but we have to live with that.

I haven't seen any paperwork in regards to any kidnappings. I was also under the impression that Cory was the source of the kidnapping accusation which would mean it happened under Elaine's custody and not Mark's first wife.

 

[Seek&Find]

I haven't seen any paperwork in regards to any kidnappings. I was also under the impression that Cory was the source of the kidnapping accusation which would mean it happened under Elaine's custody and not Mark's first wife.

Ranch, if you read the Dr Phil transcripts, or watch the shows, it'll make the info irt kidnapping clearer, imo. They're all linked in the Media thread. Much has been quoted and posted with links ^^, including info on the police reports re: Mark not returning the kids during his first marriage. HTH

Moo

 

[Tennlyn]

I haven't seen any paperwork in regards to any kidnappings. I was also under the impression that Cory was the source of the kidnapping accusation which would mean it happened under Elaine's custody and not Mark's first wife.

The police report for the first incident was shown on Dr. Phil.

 

[Salem]

Where does this come from? I never heard Cory say that. link?

This is a link to an article w/video where Cory says they never had a reason to suspect something might go wrong: http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html


There is another video of Cory where he says that MR never hurt him or Dylan. I have not located that yet, but when I do, I will link it up.

Salem

 

[NC Analyzer]

I haven't seen any paperwork in regards to any kidnappings. I was also under the impression that Cory was the source of the kidnapping accusation which would mean it happened under Elaine's custody and not Mark's first wife.

MR's first wife filed paperwork that specified MR kept her children well beyond the time specified to return them. Today, that would be custodial interference.

CR told us that MR took both of them on two occasions. I believe that would have been prior to any legal action in Family court, thus no charges.

None of that excuses MR, except from a Family Court perspective. It still shows he has power and control issues and absolutely no respect for the mother's of his children. If he felt any of his children were in some kind of danger, he had a responsibility to file his own action with the court when he removed them....not keep them long enough to torment their mothers and then return them. This is not a game, but apparently MR isn't aware of that.