CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

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This is a link to an article w/video where Cory says they never had a reason to suspect something might go wrong: http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html


There is another video of Cory where he says that MR never hurt him or Dylan. I have not located that yet, but when I do, I will link it up.

Salem

Thanks, Salem. Always better to have the words actually said available, IMO.

 

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MR's first wife filed paperwork that specified MR kept her children well beyond the time specified to return them. Today that would be custodial interference.

CR told us that MR took both of them on two occasions. I believe that would have been prior to any legal action in Family court, thus no charges.

None of that excuses MR except from a Family Court perspective. It still shows he has power and control issues and absolutely no respect for the mother's of his children. If he felt any of his children were in some kind of danger, he had a responsibility to file his own action with the court when he removed them....not keep them long enough to torment their mother's and then return them. This is not a game, but apparently MR isn't aware of that.

Not to mention how scary it must be to feel kidnapped.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ranch, if you read the Dr Phil transcripts, or watch the shows, it'll make the info irt kidnapping clearer, imo. They're all linked in the Media thread. Much has been quoted and posted with links ^^, including info on the police reports re: Mark not returning the kids during his first marriage. HTH

Moo

I've heard the stories about Mark not returning the kids on time to his first wife. How is that considered to be kidnapping?

What about Cory's accusations? Are there any police reports to support his claim of being kidnapped?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The police report for the first incident was shown on Dr. Phil.

Does this police report show that Mark was arrested for kidnapping?

 

[Seajay]

I know what you mean. And in this case I'm not sure that any kidnappings actually occurred. I think that the term was used to make a minor custody dispute look like a major crime. My point is that if a major crime like kidnapping did occurred, it's a shame that it wasn't prosecuted. MOO.

Yeh, why wouldn't it be???? In the case of a married couple where both have phsycial custody of a child, and one takes off with the kid, I don't think that's considered kidnapping in the true sense of the word, it's a parent taking their child somewhere without the other parent knowing about it. That happens all the time, taking a child to baseball practice, to the bowling alley, to the grocery store. Eventually bringing them back home. That's not kidnapping. If it were, every time my husband was at work and I took the kids anywhere, I'd have been in jail.

Now if they are divorced, and there is a court order and someone violates that, then it appears there is a crime committed. However, for being a couple of hours late, I don't think it cause for calling out the calvary. JMO.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I've heard the stories about Mark not returning the kids on time to his first wife. How is that considered to be kidnapping?

What about Cory's accusations? Are there any police reports to support his claim of being kidnapped?

I would imagine that because Cory is not an attorney, he used the word "kidnapping" because that is how he FELT.
<modsnip> He TOOK his kids 3 times. The children said they were scared they would not see their mother again. How does that translate into anything reasonable?

 

[song22]

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I have no idea if Cory was lying, because I don't know what was said, but I grew up in an abusive home. My father did the same thing with smacking heads together that AZgrandma referred to. He also did a lot of twisting arms, headbutting (his head onto ours), pushing and in-your-face screaming and spitting. He used the belt on my older brother until he ran away at 16. He also claimed to "never hit with his fist". I never told anyone about this growing up. A part of me knew it was wrong, sort-of. I mean I knew it made me very, very angry, but it was "my" "normal". I sometimes would create an alternate explanation for my Dad's abuse. He was misunderstood (he had actually been abused as a child). He was just "country". He grew up in Wyoming and was a "cowboy". My mom was pretty messed up at the time (as abused women often are), so I thought maybe she was just too emotional and volatile. Sometimes she screamed back or got physical back, so I thought at times that they were both just messed up. Sometimes I would describe my family as just being very "passionate" and "expressive". If anyone had ever asked if I had been harmed or abused I would have said NO. My frame of reference for what was normal was just very, very skewed and I was in denial. It wasn't until I had more education about controlling and abusive men that I understood better that it was abuse.

Also, I later on had a relationship with a man who I later came to fear. The situation was escalating and I was feeling in danger. I was advised by a counselor to "lie" and say "I know you would never hurt me. I know you are a good person." etc etc. to de-escalate the situation. the therapist advised that I say all this and then somehow at the same time slowly get my distance and eventually cut him off. So, for what it's worth I once had to lie in a situation in order to get the outcome that I needed.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I have no idea if Cory was lying, because I don't know what was said, but I grew up in an abusive home. My father did the same thing with smacking heads together that AZgrandma referred to. He also did a lot of twisting arms, headbutting (his head onto ours), pushing and in-your-face screaming and spitting. He used the belt on my older brother until he ran away at 16. He also claimed to "never hit with his fist". I never told anyone about this growing up. A part of me knew it was wrong, sort-of. I mean I knew it made me very, very angry, but it was "my" "normal". I sometimes would create an alternate explanation for my Dad's abuse. He was misunderstood (he had actually been abused as a child). He was just "country". He grew up in Wyoming and was a "cowboy". My mom was pretty messed up at the time (as abused women often are), so I thought maybe she was just too emotional and volatile. Sometimes she screamed back or got physical back, so I thought at times that they were both just messed up. Sometimes I would describe my family as just being very "passionate" and "expressive". If anyone had ever asked if I had been harmed or abused I would have said NO. My frame of reference for what was normal was just very, very skewed and I was in denial. It wasn't until I had more education about controlling and abusive men that I understood better that it was abuse.

Also, I later on had a relationship with a man who I later came to fear. The situation was escalating and I was feeling in danger. I was advised by a counselor to "lie" and say "I know you would never hurt me. I know you are a good person." etc etc. to de-escalate the situation. the therapist advised that I say all this and then somehow at the same time slowly get my distance and eventually cut him off. So, for what it's worth I once had to lie in a situation in order to get the outcome that I needed.

Awwww, honey, I see your story all too often. It is the same story, just different people. I'm always glad to hear when a victim recognizes what happened and turns it around. Peace.

And that is how an abuser controls people. MR has all the classic signs. I have no doubt that family was walking on egg shells for 18 years....just coping until ER could figure out a better answer.

 

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I have no idea if Cory was lying, because I don't know what was said

SBM

EXACTLY! :rocker:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Yeh, why wouldn't it be???? In the case of a married couple where both have phsycial custody of a child, and one takes off with the kid, I don't think that's considered kidnapping in the true sense of the word, it's a parent taking their child somewhere without the other parent knowing about it. That happens all the time, taking a child to baseball practice, to the bowling alley, to the grocery store. Eventually bringing them back home. That's not kidnapping. If it were, every time my husband was at work and I took the kids anywhere, I'd have been in jail.

Now if they are divorced, and there is a court order and someone violates that, then it appears there is a crime committed. However, for being a couple of hours late, I don't think it cause for calling out the calvary. JMO.

BBM

I think there's just a wee bit of a difference between what's bolded above in your statement and taking the kids for a week and not telling the other parent. And keeping the children out of school and not letting them contact the other parent.

 

[Seek&Find]

I have no idea if Cory was lying, because I don't know what was said, but I grew up in an abusive home. My father did the same thing with smacking heads together that AZgrandma referred to. He also did a lot of twisting arms, headbutting (his head onto ours), pushing and in-your-face screaming and spitting. He used the belt on my older brother until he ran away at 16. He also claimed to "never hit with his fist". I never told anyone about this growing up. A part of me knew it was wrong, sort-of. I mean I knew it made me very, very angry, but it was "my" "normal". I sometimes would create an alternate explanation for my Dad's abuse. He was misunderstood (he had actually been abused as a child). He was just "country". He grew up in Wyoming and was a "cowboy". My mom was pretty messed up at the time (as abused women often are), so I thought maybe she was just too emotional and volatile. Sometimes she screamed back or got physical back, so I thought at times that they were both just messed up. Sometimes I would describe my family as just being very "passionate" and "expressive". If anyone had ever asked if I had been harmed or abused I would have said NO. My frame of reference for what was normal was just very, very skewed and I was in denial. It wasn't until I had more education about controlling and abusive men that I understood better that it was abuse.

Also, I later on had a relationship with a man who I later came to fear. The situation was escalating and I was feeling in danger. I was advised by a counselor to "lie" and say "I know you would never hurt me. I know you are a good person." etc etc. to de-escalate the situation. the therapist advised that I say all this and then somehow at the same time slowly get my distance and eventually cut him off. So, for what it's worth I once had to lie in a situation in order to get the outcome that I needed.

Thank you so much for all you shared! So sorry for all you went through! :hug:

IMO, it's not fair for people to question why DV/child abuse victims don't come forward. It's revictimization, IMO.

Moo

 

[findDylan]

I have no idea if Cory was lying, because I don't know what was said, but I grew up in an abusive home. My father did the same thing with smacking heads together that AZgrandma referred to. He also did a lot of twisting arms, headbutting (his head onto ours), pushing and in-your-face screaming and spitting. He used the belt on my older brother until he ran away at 16. He also claimed to "never hit with his fist". I never told anyone about this growing up. A part of me knew it was wrong, sort-of. I mean I knew it made me very, very angry, but it was "my" "normal". I sometimes would create an alternate explanation for my Dad's abuse. He was misunderstood (he had actually been abused as a child). He was just "country". He grew up in Wyoming and was a "cowboy". My mom was pretty messed up at the time (as abused women often are), so I thought maybe she was just too emotional and volatile. Sometimes she screamed back or got physical back, so I thought at times that they were both just messed up. Sometimes I would describe my family as just being very "passionate" and "expressive". If anyone had ever asked if I had been harmed or abused I would have said NO. My frame of reference for what was normal was just very, very skewed and I was in denial. It wasn't until I had more education about controlling and abusive men that I understood better that it was abuse.

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I am so sorry you had to go through that. No one should ever have to. :grouphug:

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I have no idea if Cory was lying, because I don't know what was said, but I grew up in an abusive home. My father did the same thing with smacking heads together that AZgrandma referred to. He also did a lot of twisting arms, headbutting (his head onto ours), pushing and in-your-face screaming and spitting. He used the belt on my older brother until he ran away at 16. He also claimed to "never hit with his fist". I never told anyone about this growing up. A part of me knew it was wrong, sort-of. I mean I knew it made me very, very angry, but it was "my" "normal". I sometimes would create an alternate explanation for my Dad's abuse. He was misunderstood (he had actually been abused as a child). He was just "country". He grew up in Wyoming and was a "cowboy". My mom was pretty messed up at the time (as abused women often are), so I thought maybe she was just too emotional and volatile. Sometimes she screamed back or got physical back, so I thought at times that they were both just messed up. Sometimes I would describe my family as just being very "passionate" and "expressive". If anyone had ever asked if I had been harmed or abused I would have said NO. My frame of reference for what was normal was just very, very skewed and I was in denial. It wasn't until I had more education about controlling and abusive men that I understood better that it was abuse.

Also, I later on had a relationship with a man who I later came to fear. The situation was escalating and I was feeling in danger. I was advised by a counselor to "lie" and say "I know you would never hurt me. I know you are a good person." etc etc. to de-escalate the situation. the therapist advised that I say all this and then somehow at the same time slowly get my distance and eventually cut him off. So, for what it's worth I once had to lie in a situation in order to get the outcome that I needed.

Bless you. So glad you made it out.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Thank you so much for all you shared! So sorry for all you went through! :hug:

IMO, it's not fair for people to question why DV/child abuse victims don't come forward. It's revictimization, IMO.

Moo

:rocker: So true! I see THAT far to often as well. Blame the victims. Lies, manipulation, deflection, circular reasoning. All too common. Use semantics to twist and blame anyone but the abuser. Refusing to acknowledge how this affects these victims only serves to perpetuate the cycle of violence.

 

[Seajay]

This is a link to an article w/video where Cory says they never had a reason to suspect something might go wrong: http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html


There is another video of Cory where he says that MR never hurt him or Dylan. I have not located that yet, but when I do, I will link it up.

Salem

Thank you so much Salem, I knew it was said but I haven't known where to look to back it up. We had discussed it so much previously that I didn't think about needing a link to it when I brought it up, I thought everyone had been a part of that discussion. When you find the link, I will save it to my computer for future reference. muah!!!!

 

[SCHMAE]

I can see that there is only little bits of things here and there pointing to MR in DR's disappearance. Several things do not add up and that does not make anyone a murderer. I get this and I'm still hopeful that he is not. I still believe he may not be. But to now go and say maybe he isn't violent or maybe he never took his kids or maybe he didn't do this or that ........what's the point of that? He said on national tv that he took his children and hid them from their mother ON PURPOSE 3 times. It doesn't really matter what his motives were for doing it . He admits it he did it. In at least one case, there is a police report to back it up. He admits he shoved, pushed, threw and various other NON OPENHANDFIST abused a wife. He's bashed his kids heads together to get them to act right. He's a violent, child "hiding" person at the very least ! I don't see why that is up for debate. Has he harmed or hidden Dylan? No one knows. But we all know what he's done in the past . Is it Phil's words " past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior '' ?

To Song22 , cheers hon. Glad you are ok !

 

[MrsPC]

This is a link to an article w/video where Cory says they never had a reason to suspect something might go wrong: http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html


There is another video of Cory where he says that MR never hurt him or Dylan. I have not located that yet, but when I do, I will link it up.

Salem

to my knowledge there is no video of Cory stating that. It was previously posted on Facebook...but has since been deleted. And since we really can't link to Facebook posts anyway....

it is still posted on another forum however we also can't link to that.

edited to add:

just search google with the following words (without quotations) and you'll find it at the 2nd link

"cory redwine i don't think mark would hurt him he never hurt me"

 

[Seek&Find]

I can see that there is only little bits of things here and there pointing to MR in DR's disappearance. Several things do not add up and that does not make anyone a murderer. I get this and I'm still hopeful that he is not. I still believe he may not be. But to now go and say maybe he isn't violent or maybe he never took his kids or maybe he didn't do this or that ........what's the point of that? He said on national tv that he took his children and hid them from their mother ON PURPOSE 3 times. It doesn't really matter what his motives were for doing it . He admits it he did it. In at least one case, there is a police report to back it up. He admits he shoved, pushed, threw and various other NON OPENHANDFIST abused a wife. He's a violent, child "hiding" person at the very least ! I don't see why that is up for debate. Has he harmed or hidden Dylan? No one knows. But we all know what he's done in the past . Is it Phil's words " past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior '' ?

To Song22 , cheers hon. Glad you are ok !

Excellent post, Schmae! And not only did Mark acknowledge these actions, he acknowledged that these actions cause LE and others to consider his involvement in Dylan's disappearance.

Moo

 

[SCHMAE]

to my knowledge there is no video of Cory stating that. It was previously posted on Facebook...but has since been deleted. And since we really can't link to Facebook posts anyway....

it is still posted on another forum however we also can't link to that.

edited to add:

just search google with the following words and you'll find it at the 2nd link

"cory redwine i don't think mark would hurt him he never hurt me"

I'm so confused.

 

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Bringing this post forward since it was mentioned.

AzGrandma
Join Date: Dec 2012
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Yeah, he banged the kids heads together once when they were fighting amongst themselves. [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8810582&postcount=425"]link[/ame]

Jarring, considering Mark said:

They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him so somebody can &#8220;bang him in the head&#8221; and say, &#8220;Hey, your dad&#8217;s trying to get a hold of you.

Blasius

Moo