CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[jjenny]

There is nothing in the text messages between Dylan and his friend that would suggest they wanted to go fishing. MR was supposed to go early on his errands.
He wanted to be at the office for his payroll issues as soon as the office opened.
I presume Dylan was told that, and wanted MR to drop him off before going to sort out his payroll issues.

 

[Tennlyn]

30 degrees in Vallecito right now, but today's high is supposed to be 54. :sunshine:

 

[SuperMom1995]

Is that weird? I cannot say I remember it being heard for sure but it does sound really familiar so I will trust that several of you heard it but am wondering why edit it out? MSM is conspiring to make MR look worse than he makes himself look? This is really REALLY common with politicians and news stories and makes me think if you see something really interesting ,take a screen shot as well as save the link before the story changes. But with video, if you download the actual video to your hard drive and then they edit it, which version would be on your hard drive? Any ideas? ( general question, not just to you seajay)

Responding to bolded portion above: NOT POSSIBLE :thewave:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

30 degrees in Vallecito right now, but today's high is supposed to be 54. :sunshine:

Yay! The faster it warms up the sooner they can search that lake!

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But look at it this way!
He got EVERYTHING but Dylan!

Now no one has him, very sad.

I have never thought this was premeditated. I think there was an argument and a struggle and Dylan lost sadly

 

[ColdHands]

No. I think he wants them to find Dylan in the lake. I also think that he thinks they will conclude that Dylan fell in and drowned.

The evidence will get him. In the back of my mind is a toddler that went missing. Was found in the river behind the apartment building. Toddler drowned, but had bath water in his lungs.

I hate writing this but I believe they will find blunt force trauma and the existence or lack of water in the lungs and other drowning indicators will make the difference on accidental vs intent.

 

[SuperMom1995]

What is this ?

It is MR talking about finding Dylan.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well I'm actually on the fence with regard to the 9:37 text .
Is it significant or not? Could it be LE only didn't release it initially as an
error or oversight and NOT because they were ' withholding' it intentionally?
Because on Phil show when ER mentioned that text, she just blurted it out
with no indication that it was peculiar or important. Phil just glossed over it
and so did she . So is it possible we've gone round and round a billion times
and the txt meant nothing? Maybe he just wrote a friend and said ' im watching
a movie, ttyl' or something very non earth shattering. I tend to feel like a lot of
info hinges on that text, but the other part of me thinks it could have ZERO to
do with anything.

It's quite possible there is nothing revealing about that text. I don't think LE ever would have released the contents and details about the texts to R either, had R and family not done it.

Perhaps Dr Phil glossed over it because it was pre-discussed that Elaine was not allowed to share details about it?

I don't think that text alone is going to make or break this case. Although if my theory is correct that perhaps MR sent it maybe they could be able to tell by texting styles/wording etc. Now that would be very important to the case. So perhaps it's not WHAT the message said but HOW it was said that is important?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I hate writing this but I believe they will find blunt force trauma and the existence or lack of water in the lungs and other drowning indicators will make the difference on accidental vs intent.

Yes. I do know that they can tell if someone was alive or deceased before going into water. I wonder if MR knows this?

 

[ColdHands]

Yes. I do know that they can tell if someone was alive or deceased before going into water. I wonder if MR knows this?

Heh - I learned it watching Quincy way back when so it's possible that he may have picked that information up on a show sometime.

However, it's possible that someone would not think things all the way through in a clear and logical manner if they were running to cover up a child's death, KWIM?

 

[Money Girl]

Yes. I do know that they can tell if someone was alive or deceased before going into water. I wonder if MR knows this?

I think that MR just wants to find his son.

 

[Dee10]

Does anyone know if this is true or not???

If a person is deceased & submerged in water, the body as a rule won't resurface.

Why will some bodies rise to the surface & others not?

 

[Eileen730]

I have never thought this was premeditated. I think there was an argument and a struggle and Dylan lost sadly

I did to! I still do but the bad blood between them has caused this as i see it.
I do not think it was premeditated but there was already fuel on the fire.

I do believe MR drinks too much and is probably considered a functioning alcoholic I dont know this for fact but I have been around enough of them to spot one but thats MO . I do think there was a horrible fight and something happend that cant be undone.

Sadly I do believe Dylan will be found in the lake.

 

[Eileen730]

Does anyone know if this is true or not???

If a person is deceased & submerged in water, the body as a rule won't resurface.

Why will some bodies rise to the surface & others not?

I think i read Decomp causes gasses in the body that will cause it to float
If the water is cold it might cause the body to stay submerged or the body is caught on a tree limb or is weighted down.

 

[azgrandma]

I was speaking with my 10 y/o grandson this morning while taking him to school. He is about to go visit his father where he lives, in another state, for a week.

I questioned him (my grandson) almost felt like I should have mirandized him first.

Do you guys have anything fun planned while you are there? While I won’t go into any detail, he did tell me the plans for all but two days, one of those was a “my choice” day and he hadn’t figured it out yet and the other was a “just me & dad day but it’s a surprise”. He knew exactly where his father & fiancé’ would be on one day (they had previous commitment they could not change) and exactly who he would be staying with.

Does mom pack your clothes or do you? I do, she tells me how many clothes to pack though. (Meaning she will tell him to pack 6 sets of clothing)

Well, what happens if you forget something? Dad will get it for me.

Even a coat? No, cause I have one there.

Well, what if it’s too small because you really are a big boy? He’d get me one, one time he went through all my stuff and some of it was too small and some of it was too big so I only had one thing left so he got me new clothes to keep there.

I found this a pretty interesting conversation.
He already knew exactly what they were doing; dad even allowed for a couple days of father/son time that would be special.
He has clothes there and still takes clothes with him.
Because he isn’t there on a daily basis, dad is still prepared by having clothing at his home as well.
If he has outgrown something or forgotten something, dad obviously has no problem making sure his son has what he needs. (good thing because dad would have to deal with an upset grandma )
Mom allows my grandson to pack his own bags at the age of 10, if he forgets something it is his responsibility.

Here we have a child that just recently started traveling by himself (use to go with his paternal grandma on the plane) and he knows everything to expect. I'm sure there may be changes of plans, or perhaps not. Dad is prepared and allows for the unexpected forgotten items.

This is something that has bothered me, why did MR not have any plans, even tentative? They were all maybe and we might. Nothing was set.
IMO if DR forgot a coat and it was an issue for MR, then why not buy one?!

 

[SuperMom1995]

A circumstantial case could be made against Mark, I think, if Dylan was found in the lake, for example. He gave an improbable story linking Dylan to the lake, there are arguments for motive, means, and opportunity, about a bazillion conflicting statements, etc. Iirc, there wasn't direct physical evidence linking Phylicia Barne's body found in a lake to her perp, but he was found guilty. We still don't know the content of the text, both Dylan's and Mark's ping data, etc. I believe LE when they say they have a wealth of evidence.

We have Mark arriving home at 11:30 and now taking an hour nap (Dr Phil) and starting to look for Dylan at 1:30 (versus the 2:30 Mark said in the Blasius interview). So, we've got two hours of time with Mark at the house(?) doing...? And we've got from 2:30-shortly after 4 when it appears Mark arrived at Nando's. I think there'll be an arrest, and that the pings will not match Mark's changing story/timeline.

Moo

I 100% AGREE! :cheer:

 

[Ghostwheel]

Does anyone know if this is true or not???

If a person is deceased & submerged in water, the body as a rule won't resurface.

Why will some bodies rise to the surface & others not?

Here is a nice explanation.

"When someone dies, once the air has come out of their lungs, their “density” becomes greater than water and they sink. After some time very little “animals” called micorobes start to eat bits from inside the body and this produces lots of gas. This then causes the density of the body to decrease again, as the gas is light, and that means that the body will float up to the surface of the water."
http://7-11.imascientist.org.uk/2012/07/why-does-a-dead-body-float-and-an-alive-body-sink

You could then assume that if the water is cold and there are fewer micro organisms, it would take longer for a body to float (or if it is caught on something or weighted down, it won't float)

ETA: Really good paper on this
http://www.operationtakemehome.org/sar/FireandRescuePersonnel/Biologyofdrowning.pdf

 

[SuperMom1995]

I think the recipient of the 9:37 text was T. And I don't think it was sent by Dylan.

BINGO BINGO BINGO :Banane21:

 

[*Lash*]

I think that MR just wants to find his son.

Hi Money Girl!

Do you think MR should have or should be doing more to help find his son? Do you think he has helped find Dylan?

 

[Dee10]

Here is a nice explanation.

"When someone dies, once the air has come out of their lungs, their “density” becomes greater than water and they sink. After some time very little “animals” called micorobes start to eat bits from inside the body and this produces lots of gas. This then causes the density of the body to decrease again, as the gas is light, and that means that the body will float up to the surface of the water."
http://7-11.imascientist.org.uk/2012/07/why-does-a-dead-body-float-and-an-alive-body-sink

You could then assume that if the water is cold and there are fewer micro organisms, it would take longer for a body to float (or if it is caught on something or weighted down, it won't float)

ETA: Really good paper on this
http://www.operationtakemehome.org/sar/FireandRescuePersonnel/Biologyofdrowning.pdf

There was a case in Canada I was following and the person's body floated up in the Spring. A media article stated that they always find a number of bodies after the Spring thaw. Thank you & Eileen too.